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Yeah I'm pretty conflicted as well... It's impossible to not love Nada. But I can't help but cheer for free! =(
OKAY, I'ma say Nada... 'cause I don't want PvP finals. I've got nothing wrong with PvP, I just don't want to hear shit about P being imbalanced and more 1a2a3a4a5a jokes. (Even though I'm a T)
I love NaDa so much but.... Free really deserves this.
All those times facing the best player in ro16 and now finally in ro8... I just can't tell you how sad and happy I'm at the same time to predict that Free will win this. His safe play + macro will just 1a2a3a over nada.
On November 08 2008 05:19 Hot_Bid wrote: in your predictions, you have nada winning twice on Medusa, which is 9-4 pvt and 3 of the 4 terran wins are flash
its really, really unlikely nada wins both games 1 and 5 hehe
I have a tendancy at times to "vote" if you will, for the least likely outcome. Makes it so much more cooler if it happens
ok ok I allow Nada to win 1 more, maybe two but that's it xD
on a slightly more serious note, a Protoss has to win to close out this year.. I can't recall any of the previous year where Protoss becomes this sucessful <3
On November 08 2008 05:12 .risingdragoon wrote: Jaedong-killin' Mr. Dick and Balls army will take this 3-1.
Ya damn right he will.
Dick-n-Balls ratio - 1:2 bitches!!!!
Holy crap, do you have a link to that game?
That was an incredible game. I am suprised people can't recognize it by just looking at the screen Tough choice. in this series. Free has been playing very well recently and after beating Jaedong he deserve the place in semis. On the other hand Nada is NADA. It would be great to see semi Bisu vs Nada and then possibly Nada taking another MSL
I hope NaDa shows us some more sexy all-ins like he did against Frozean. Free will have to show us a new level of mental toughness to get through this series.
On November 08 2008 04:49 Plexa wrote: thats how conflicted i am about this series
I know how you feel. I really want Free to win a starleague, but dear god not this one. Not one that's gonna have Kal or Jangbi in the finals. I guess Daum OSL had similar finalists in terms of popularity (at the time at least), but Daum produced one of the best finals ever. I don't think PvP can do that.
On November 08 2008 04:49 Plexa wrote: thats how conflicted i am about this series
I know how you feel. I really want Free to win a starleague, but dear god not this one. Not one that's gonna have Kal or Jangbi in the finals. I guess Daum OSL had similar finalists in terms of popularity (at the time at least), but Daum produced one of the best finals ever. I don't think PvP can do that.
I think that PvP can produce exciting games, exciting series even. See...Stork v. Bisu in the finals xD
God, I've seen so many PvPs recently, I'm not sure I can stomach much more of it.
That said, Free deserves it. He keeps getting screwed in the lower rounds. The one year that he finally breaks through, beating Jaedong no less, I wish for him to take it all. Now that FBH and Stork are out, he's the only player I have any rooting interest for.
On November 08 2008 09:06 soudo wrote: I don't think PvP can do that.
Man I don't care about it being pvp at all. I just want free to finally break out and I want Nada to do more than qualify and drop out early. And I can't have both. I'd be happy for both of them if this was ro4 instead of ro8. But ro8 is too early.
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first zeal gets to nada's base, dosen't do nay damage thanks to nada's micro. Nada still hasn't found free's base, he's hiding a second factory. Looks like a 2 fact push from nada? old school? >.>
reaver just pops for froee, it's going to come down to haw well free thinks he can reaver micro. all the marines die off to the reaver, free keps all of his goons. Nada still trying for his harass from next to free's expansion
nada's probably gotten like 8-12 probes with his haras, armory going up. Nada dosen't really have anything to defend against the reaver harass, so it's going to come down to how well free can micro his reaver. First reaver shot dosen't get any scv kills, 6 goons also running towards nada's base trying to counter.
shuttle is harassing well, keeping nada's tanks from being sieged where he watns himt o be. The only thing that's saving nada right now is he's a t1 base. Golaiths pop to take care of the reaver, goons are content to snipe the machine shop on one of the factories.
Free had really good reaver control to handle that push from nada- we'll see on the replay, but i think that all the marines died+ both tanks got damaged from the reaver. Bad control from nada, good control from free.
On November 08 2008 14:35 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: Free had really good reaver control to handle that push from nada- we'll see on the replay, but i think that all the marines died+ both tanks got damaged from the reaver. Bad control from nada, good control from free.
Yeah, one second I was like "Fuck yes Nada, own this bitch." Then the next I see marine blood splattered all over the ground and I'm like "Oh shit Nada."
On November 08 2008 14:35 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: Free had really good reaver control to handle that push from nada- we'll see on the replay, but i think that all the marines died+ both tanks got damaged from the reaver. Bad control from nada, good control from free.
Yeah, one second I was like "Fuck yes Nada, own this bitch." Then the next I see marine blood splattered all over the ground and I'm like "Oh shit Nada."
I'm not sure what happened- i'm sure that both of their apm's spiked to like 400 to 600 >.>
free's probe gets an scv kill. nada dosen't need to be any further behind. first zeal is out, nada sees it, and he'll see the proxy as well soon enough. factory goes up for nada
nada forced to upll scv's to try to kill zeals, factory finally finishes. Nada's pretty far behind though, goon comes out for free at the same time as vult
Progamer's are so stubborn with refusing to build bunkers : P
even if you dont get it up, you at least force the zealots to target the SCV, and then 100 minerals is honestly not much compared to when you lose 3-5 marines or scvs
4 marines and a vult and a tank now for nada,... he better not lose that tank. nada scouts 2 gate goon from free, free snipes vulture, but hopefully not tank?
On November 08 2008 14:46 ShloobeR wrote: Progamer's are so stubborn with refusing to build bunkers : P
even if you dont get it up, you at least force the zealots to target the SCV, and then 100 minerals is honestly not much compared to when you lose 3-5 marines or scvs
yeah, I had that debate with myself.
"Ok, 2 gate no core, zeal pressure.." "Block ramp or create bunker?"
On November 08 2008 14:46 ShloobeR wrote: Progamer's are so stubborn with refusing to build bunkers : P
even if you dont get it up, you at least force the zealots to target the SCV, and then 100 minerals is honestly not much compared to when you lose 3-5 marines or scvs
yeah, I had that debate with myself.
"Ok, 2 gate no core, zeal pressure.." "Block ramp or create bunker?"
"Blocks 2-3 scv." "Ok good"
i honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not : (
On November 08 2008 14:46 ShloobeR wrote: Progamer's are so stubborn with refusing to build bunkers : P
even if you dont get it up, you at least force the zealots to target the SCV, and then 100 minerals is honestly not much compared to when you lose 3-5 marines or scvs
yeah, I had that debate with myself.
"Ok, 2 gate no core, zeal pressure.." "Block ramp or create bunker?"
"Blocks 2-3 scv." "Ok good"
I think that they think that scv's kill the zeals faster because they do damage >.> They're so set against static D because they think that makes them win. Fantasy even tried to throw up another rax against stork instead of building a bunker.
On November 08 2008 14:50 NonConGuy wrote: Free has confidence and been looking SO GOOD this season. I think this series will go 3-0 Free
Free has been playing really really good. in fact, I think that he's the only reason the stars are doing very well this season. >.> I still want nada to win though :'(
On November 08 2008 14:46 ShloobeR wrote: Progamer's are so stubborn with refusing to build bunkers : P
even if you dont get it up, you at least force the zealots to target the SCV, and then 100 minerals is honestly not much compared to when you lose 3-5 marines or scvs
yeah, I had that debate with myself.
"Ok, 2 gate no core, zeal pressure.." "Block ramp or create bunker?"
"Blocks 2-3 scv." "Ok good"
i honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not : (
I think I wasn't being sarcastic, cuz repairing a bunker would cost more if you want it to stay up to those zeals...its better to have attacking walls than a bunker that needs maintenance.
but yeah, sometimes its better to get bunkers, haha. like when a zeal slips in your wall and delays you a bit, then walling off having some rines would be some sort of suicide because the protoss will eventually get dragoons...
On November 08 2008 14:50 NonConGuy wrote: Free has confidence and been looking SO GOOD this season. I think this series will go 3-0 Free
Free has been playing really really good. in fact, I think that he's the only reason the stars are doing very well this season. >.> I still want nada to win though :'(
Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people like free these days. People who have had good stats for a long time and are finally going clutch engage for their title. Examples being Mind, forGG, even Flash.
On November 08 2008 14:53 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
On November 08 2008 14:50 NonConGuy wrote: Free has confidence and been looking SO GOOD this season. I think this series will go 3-0 Free
Free has been playing really really good. in fact, I think that he's the only reason the stars are doing very well this season. >.> I still want nada to win though :'(
Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people like free these days. People who have had good stats for a long time and are finally going clutch engage for their title. Examples being Mind, forGG, even Flash.
mind was total unknown not even good stats before his run total darkhorse and he did it all the way from the bottom it really was an amazing msl run i really want to see another title on him
On November 08 2008 14:56 Fontong wrote: Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people like free these days. People who have had good stats for a long time and are finally going clutch engage for their title. Examples being Mind, forGG, even Flash.
On November 08 2008 14:56 Fontong wrote: Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people like free these days. People who have had good stats for a long time and are finally going clutch engage for their title. Examples being Mind, forGG, even Flash.
Lately? Free's been a proleague monster since 06!
Watchu talking bout?
Didn't i say he has had good stats for a long time?
On November 08 2008 14:56 Fontong wrote: Yeah, there seem to be a lot of people like free these days. People who have had good stats for a long time and are finally going clutch engage for their title. Examples being Mind, forGG, even Flash.
Lately? Free's been a proleague monster since 06!
Watchu talking bout?
yeah didnt he get like proleague mvp 2 seasons ago? looking like he getting ready to do it again
On November 08 2008 14:59 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote: I believe so as well. Although I seem to remember someone using hold and "stepping goons" to shoot down mines
...
That someone is free taking out a midas rush from upmagic
On November 08 2008 15:01 YPang wrote: he's not walling again... dunno if he can wall on that map.
I think you can wall on Athena
I believe that you can. Nada doesn't like walling though. He prefers using his micro to defeat any harass attempts, because he's used to having much much better mechanics than other players.
Nada scouts 2 gate goon, free still hasn't found nada
Nada has 4 marines, machine shop going up, looks like it's going to be fd into expand against 2 gate goon. Free starts his expansion at his nat about the same time nada does. Looks like we're looking at a decently long game here
FRee manages to block nada's scouting scv with a probe, so that the goons can kill it. Cute.
On November 08 2008 15:01 YPang wrote: he's not walling again... dunno if he can wall on that map.
I think you can wall on Athena
I believe that you can. Nada doesn't like walling though. He prefers using his micro to defeat any harass attempts, because he's used to having much much better mechanics than other players.
Nada scouts 2 gate goon, free still hasn't found nada
i hope he dosnt wall in who dosnt remember game 1 of his bo3 vs anytime few seasons ago that was EMBARRASSING for him and all nada fans lol funny tho, definetly didnt seem like something he did often or at least i pray not
free elects to take a fast third off of his 2 gate, and it's already up. Robo is out, free should have obs soon. Nada better have a plan for this early third, because it's what protosses have been doing recently. 6 gates total for free now.
On November 08 2008 15:07 thunk wrote: That's an interesting build. 3 gate goon after expo allows to fend off the two fact should it appear.
And Nada fears cheese.
It dosen't really, especially if you don't have the micro to fend off the spider mines. 2 fact should still be >> 3 gate, because the mines + 4 siege tanks should chew up almost any number of goons. Key to what free is doing is that he has redic map control right now.
On November 08 2008 15:08 thunk wrote: Oh, we're already on game three because of day light savings time.
Check the calendar
Nada up to 4 fact, 2 machine shop, now adding two more for the standard 6 fact push. Because free's third was so early, Nada better scout and figure out how to do flash's build.
On November 08 2008 15:08 thunk wrote: Oh, we're already on game three because of day light savings time.
Check the calendar
Nada up to 4 fact, 2 machine shop, now adding two more for the standard 6 fact push. Because free's third was so early, Nada better scout and figure out how to do flash's build.
On November 08 2008 15:09 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
On November 08 2008 15:08 thunk wrote: Oh, we're already on game three because of day light savings time.
Check the calendar
Nada up to 4 fact, 2 machine shop, now adding two more for the standard 6 fact push. Because free's third was so early, Nada better scout and figure out how to do flash's build.
the 14cc or the 2 armory build?
I dunno if it's a joke but the 2 armory . If the 14cc was a joke, then I chuckled.
On November 08 2008 15:09 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
On November 08 2008 15:08 thunk wrote: Oh, we're already on game three because of day light savings time.
Check the calendar
Nada up to 4 fact, 2 machine shop, now adding two more for the standard 6 fact push. Because free's third was so early, Nada better scout and figure out how to do flash's build.
the 14cc or the 2 armory build?
2 armory 3/3
nada's army just got chewed up by free. Free has like 12 gates now in his main, with pretty freaking good gate placement.
free tries to move in again, nada might have enough to hold. Psistorms going off everywhere, free just dosen't have enough tank/vult to keep them away. FNada frantically tring to lay spider mines to make sure free can't counter.
On November 08 2008 15:13 SingletonWilliam wrote: traditionally vultures go in front of the tanks, not hide behind them.
depends, you can stick the vults behind the tanks if they go zeal heavy, because then the tanks soak for the vults, and you can manually tell the tanks to attack the goons.
You stick the vults in front of the tanks to act as a barrier if there are more goons than zeals/if the goons are the higher threat/number.
first arbiter not out for free, and free is at like...5 mining bases now? something like that. Nada is playing as hard as he can, but i'm afraid that it won't be enough. 12 gate toss vs 6 fact 1 base T isn't a pretty picture
On November 08 2008 15:18 General Nuke Em wrote: It was over for the past 5 minutes, dunno wtf nada was trying to accomplish
Did you see his face? He knew it was over, I think. But you can't just give up on your 4th MSL title like that. Did you see fantasy in game 5? It was basically the same thing, he pulled SCVs to fight after it didn't matter.
For the first time in awhile i am rooting AGAINST toss since i am a toss player and i am beginning to see why people make the toss is EZ mode claims. I mean, its not really true, but it certainly seems that way once they get ahead
On November 08 2008 15:18 General Nuke Em wrote: It was over for the past 5 minutes, dunno wtf nada was trying to accomplish
Did you see his face? He knew it was over, I think. But you can't just give up on your 4th MSL title like that. Did you see fantasy in game 5? It was basically the same thing, he pulled SCVs to fight after it didn't matter.
On November 08 2008 15:18 General Nuke Em wrote: It was over for the past 5 minutes, dunno wtf nada was trying to accomplish
Did you see his face? He knew it was over, I think. But you can't just give up on your 4th MSL title like that. Did you see fantasy in game 5? It was basically the same thing, he pulled SCVs to fight after it didn't matter.
Nada did win against 50 gates. Once.
In a different era.
iloveOov won against 20 factories, but iloveOov was able to maintain some semblance of map control.
Id free is the favorite to win the MSL at this point carrying so much momentum, but since its PvP i guess Bisu would be the overall favorite. Basically the winner is likely free or Bisu. Gah pvp finals...damn stork..if only forgg was still in, and forgg vs kal 2 would have been great to watch.
On November 08 2008 15:22 jigga wrote: That last game was just flawless PvT, nothing nada could do at all. Free simply outmacro'd nada, beating him at his own game.
Nada was suspecting cheese, so he stayed at 2 bases and didn't let his vultures out to go see if there was a third out early for free. He tried to automatically go for the 6 fact push, and then he got trapped on his ramp with good timing/scouting by free. Good play from free, and nada just didn't deliver tonight
On November 08 2008 15:21 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
On November 08 2008 15:20 Fontong wrote:
On November 08 2008 15:18 General Nuke Em wrote: It was over for the past 5 minutes, dunno wtf nada was trying to accomplish
Did you see his face? He knew it was over, I think. But you can't just give up on your 4th MSL title like that. Did you see fantasy in game 5? It was basically the same thing, he pulled SCVs to fight after it didn't matter.
Nada did win against 50 gates. Once.
In a different era.
iloveOov won against 20 factories, but iloveOov was able to maintain some semblance of map control.
This either indicates how old nada is, how awesome he is, or how much times have changed.
totally off topic, but i'm pretty sure that oov told fantasy to play safe in game five so stork would self destruct. And then stork didn't. made for a lame, non-epic finals.
I'm really sad right now. I was all hyped up for an epic bo5 on a Friday night, full of pimpest play candidates and exciting moments...now 10:30 and I have nothing to do.
On November 08 2008 15:23 Plutonium wrote: Can someone explain to me how proxy gates aren't bullshit on destination?
Also - seriously, I hate tvp so much because it's not a real match, it's the protoss playing against himself, and if he doesn't screw up, he wins.
I think that the distance between the the bases is slightly too small on destination. Or T's need to scout earlier.
Protosses need to adapt, and T now needs to figure out a counter for the super early third that most protosses are getting now. Why T isn't better than P inherently: see Bisu v inter.mind.
On November 08 2008 15:24 iloveStar wrote: nada is becoming old and we have to get over it.
Yeah youre right, the only people worth anything on this planet are 15 year olds. Thats why they run countries and fly jets and run corporations and play in the NBA etc.
People should really be just put to sleep like dogs after they turn 20 so we can rid the earth of resource wastes on anyone that has more than 8 pubes.
On November 08 2008 15:20 StRyKeR wrote: old timers can't keep up with new macro / prepared assassin-style strategies
july anyone?
the old players are just too focused on their own old style and cant adapt with the younger players who have more time and motivation and havent been worked to death by their coaches. the old players have seen everything what the starcraft industry has to offer, but the younger ones have so much hope that they will win big money and get on the next cover page of starcraft magazine.
On November 08 2008 15:21 Plutonium wrote: These games pissed me off, because all they did was display how protoss is just easier to play than terran.
did you watch the games at all?
free outplayed nada every game, he 1a2a3a last game cus he outmacroed nada 3x times worth
Did you miss the part where he proxy gate + zealot rushed? Oh man it sure takes skill to micro zealots against lone marines.
Or how about not even suspecting a 2 factory and still owning it because you had a reaver?
His reaver micro was super good that game. I'm sad that they didn't show a replay. The observer moved away, and when we looked back at where there were two full health tanks and 5 marines, there were 2 half health tanks, and a reaver in the shuttle.
On November 08 2008 15:27 .risingdragoon wrote: pvp the best mirror match, that is a fact
should be epic come ro4
IMO TvT is the best, followed by PvP, and lastly ZvZ (the worst matchup in the game). PvP can be good and interesting, but most of the time its just reaver and goon.
On November 08 2008 15:23 mog87 wrote: Id free is the favorite to win the MSL at this point carrying so much momentum, but since its PvP i guess Bisu would be the overall favorite. Basically the winner is likely free or Bisu. Gah pvp finals...damn stork..if only forgg was still in, and forgg vs kal 2 would have been great to watch.
I think that bisu is ready for another one. He's been showing some amazing for pvt, and he's on like an 11-0 streak? i think that he's ready to keep his win's rolling. He had his killer face on after destroying fbh.
[/QUOTE] the old players are just too focused on their own old style and cant adapt with the younger players who have more time and motivation and havent been worked to death by their coaches. the old players have seen everything what the starcraft industry has to offer, but the younger ones have so much hope that they will win big money and get on the next cover page of starcraft magazine. [/QUOTE]
Well, if i had to choose between vagina and starcraft id choose vagina twice.
On November 08 2008 15:21 Plutonium wrote: These games pissed me off, because all they did was display how protoss is just easier to play than terran.
did you watch the games at all?
free outplayed nada every game, he 1a2a3a last game cus he outmacroed nada 3x times worth
Did you miss the part where he proxy gate + zealot rushed? Oh man it sure takes skill to micro zealots against lone marines.
Or how about not even suspecting a 2 factory and still owning it because you had a reaver?
His reaver micro was super good that game. I'm sad that they didn't show a replay. The observer moved away, and when we looked back at where there were two full health tanks and 5 marines, there were 2 half health tanks, and a reaver in the shuttle.
It was one reaver shot that killed all the marines and hurt the tanks, if he didnt do it the first time, most likely the reaver wouldve slowly picked shit off regardless. Yeah, that one reaver shot was good, but what else did Free do that game? Totally misread what Nada was doing? Let vultures kill a bunch of probes despite having dragoons and Obs? Then he just flies his reaver around and then A-moves his dragoons into his tanks, rinse and repeat. That's where it really feels like Protoss is easy.
On November 08 2008 15:32 Plutonium wrote: I can't remember the last time a protoss lost in a strait-up TvP with no cheese or risky play.
Well, Daezang excluded.
Check out Flash. And don't say Flash excluded because you could just exclude everyone who won. Then your point would be right. This BSing about how protoss in imba is stupid and annoying.
On November 08 2008 15:20 StRyKeR wrote: old timers can't keep up with new macro / prepared assassin-style strategies
july anyone?
the old players are just too focused on their own old style and cant adapt with the younger players who have more time and motivation and havent been worked to death by their coaches. the old players have seen everything what the starcraft industry has to offer, but the younger ones have so much hope that they will win big money and get on the next cover page of starcraft magazine.
I'm not sure that this is true. We saw boxer try to innovate with valks, we saw oov innovate through fantasy with his mech build. Nada has just been consistent because his team needs him to play, so he hasn't really had time to just sit, think, and innovate. Oov had time to do that, and we saw it in fantasy's play. Nada is so focused on making sure his team is doing well that he's forced to rely on sort of generic play.
The point is i dont blame the older players for caring a little less. Theyve already hit home runs in the world series. Winning is always great and no one wants to decline, but man people move on. Not only do they move on by choice, they move on in their soul whether they like it or not. People change inside. And i dont blame anyone for that. And i certainly dont give undue credit to "younger players" just cause they have no lives and all the time in the world.
On November 08 2008 15:29 Dante08 wrote: Did anyone see the poster they showed after the game? It was free Kal Bisu jangbi standing together LOL
They were probably looking at eachother going: wait, we need to play eachother? wtf.
Nono you know the intro they play, then at the end all the progamers standing together, kal jangbi bisu and free were coincidentally standing next to each other lol
im not a protoss lover myself but u cant deny free's skill in all 3 games granted nada wasnt playing anywhere near his best u guys break up a ramp with 4/5 rines, vult tank with 4 goons and have no losses, then u can say protoss ez
Hrmm...I suppose it's only fair that people bitch and moan about Protoss imba when Protoss players are dominating the scene since the same thing happened with Terran just a few years ago. And when the balance shifts to a different race, there will be cries of imba coming from the other races. Sigh.
Can we all please just stop the whining and understand what a metagame is?
On November 08 2008 15:27 .risingdragoon wrote: pvp the best mirror match, that is a fact
should be epic come ro4
Yeah, but it's still a mirror match. Free didn't do celebration right? I can't imagine anyone pulling anything against Nada. Also, supposing you had no personal attachment to the players, was the protoss domination worth watching like the Bisu/FBH games?
On November 08 2008 15:21 Plutonium wrote: These games pissed me off, because all they did was display how protoss is just easier to play than terran.
did you watch the games at all?
free outplayed nada every game, he 1a2a3a last game cus he outmacroed nada 3x times worth
yeah, nada played like just another terran, no tornado.
Exactly. I was looking for the vulture harass, but they're nowhere.
I don't think Nada will ever win anything anymore. His style just hasn't adapted to today's standards. Maybe if he lucks out with strings of TvTs or weak ZvTers, but that's it.
He should sneak in expos, iloveoov style. His style focuses too much on defense.
His style? Explain to me what style he displayed to you these games? Nada played standard, and a little sub-par. Nada's TvP has been sadly so weak lately. Still, this is the same Nada no one gave hope vs Savior. This is the same Nada that has been a SC god since fuckn Giyom's time.
If there is one SC player that can evolve back on top again, maybe it's really Nada. He's done it many times through, and he still makes it further than any other terran.
Seems like it's a good P season. Bisu and Free both 3-0'd way too ez.
On November 08 2008 15:21 Plutonium wrote: These games pissed me off, because all they did was display how protoss is just easier to play than terran.
did you watch the games at all?
free outplayed nada every game, he 1a2a3a last game cus he outmacroed nada 3x times worth
yeah, nada played like just another terran, no tornado.
Exactly. I was looking for the vulture harass, but they're nowhere.
I don't think Nada will ever win anything anymore. His style just hasn't adapted to today's standards. Maybe if he lucks out with strings of TvTs or weak ZvTers, but that's it.
He should sneak in expos, iloveoov style. His style focuses too much on defense.
His style? Explain to me what style he displayed to you these games? Nada played standard, and a little sub-par. Nada's TvP has been sadly so weak lately. Still, this is the same Nada no one gave hope vs Savior. This is the same Nada that has been a SC god since fuckn Giyom's time.
If there is one SC player that can evolve back on top again, maybe it's really Nada. He's done it many times through, and he still makes it further than any other terran.
Seems like it's a good P season. Bisu and Free both 3-0'd way too ez.
Then how the hell did Nada beat JangBI in blizzcon ? All PvP incomeing . I hope Free wins but his PvP isn't his strongest MU and the others are PvP monsters ...
maybe because jangbi is a chump ? Dont worry about free's pvp record. He is all time 3:1 against bisu and this matters ( kal was 3:1 to stork before their match in the MSL)
On November 09 2008 00:45 proA.June91 wrote: lol i cannot believe it i expected free would win this match but never thought that he could end his games with 3 straight wins
What's so surprising about a Protoss 3-0ing someone?
I just recently started playing protoss due to curiosity, and 1a2a3a'ing a Terran during confrontation usually led to me getting raped. Reaver micro makes my head hurt, and vultures make me want to cry.
For those who are better informed about terran builds. In the third game how bad is it to go fast expo off one Factory with an armory and an academy? Nada's production was so lagging that he was just building his second factory and Free was warping his 6th gate and a second expo. He was obviously expecting some kind of reaver/dt drop and was left blind most of the game, but this generally seems like a terrible terran build.
Man, now anyone but Jangbi could win and I'd be down with it... to varying degrees. Bisu needs to man up and not make me think too hard about whether I prefer Kal or Free after him. >_>
Even me, with my poor understanding of the game wouldnt blame this on 1a2a3a, as some one pointed out earlier, in the third game nada was horribly outmacroed and free had like a massive army while nada had 2 facts...of course he can attack move and win when he has nada outmacroed like 3.5:1. I suppose the point of complaint would be the nature of the maps for TvP, so much cheese but oh well. I kinda wanted them both to win, Nada prolly slight more to avoid a PvP final. Ah well.
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