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Sewi
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Germany1697 Posts
August 17 2008 10:58 GMT
#81
dont be to optimistic. everyone can get cheesed and lose But I hope not !
Nada make it plz!
"Well, things were going ok until he lost all his stuff" - Tasteless, 17.02.2016
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-17 10:59:32
August 17 2008 10:58 GMT
#82


well.. DO them.. I just do it because no one was doing it..

Go ahead..
n_n
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 17 2008 11:03 GMT
#83
Go Lee YoonYeol!!
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Rucky
Profile Joined February 2008
United States717 Posts
August 17 2008 11:03 GMT
#84
On August 17 2008 19:32 AttackZerg wrote:
So if toss doesn't try dt/reaver and goes straight macro, terran push wins anyway ...?... will somebody tell me?


I'll tell you. No terran push does not win anyway. :D
Beyond the Game
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 17 2008 11:05 GMT
#85
On August 17 2008 19:58 FaCE_1 wrote:


well.. DO them.. I just do it because no one was doing it..

Go ahead..



No thanks, I LR when my favorite players are playing. I was just giving you a few pointers that might make it more helpfull. Don't get butt hurt dude, I said you were doing a good job. And it is nice that you are doing it for sure.
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-17 11:07:38
August 17 2008 11:06 GMT
#86
On August 17 2008 19:57 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2008 19:32 AttackZerg wrote:
So if toss doesn't try dt/reaver and goes straight macro, terran push wins anyway ...?... will somebody tell me?

Lol. It's not that simple.

Athena has buildable, semi-high cliffs, and closed centers. If the terran gets a hold of that middle ground, a hard counter involving the classic speedlot/shuttle break with goon supplements is really hard to pull off because the splash damage from spider mines/tanks are far greater.

Sangho tried to answer that situation by going around the map and tried to buy some time by moving fantasy back and forth from his main, but his economic was left undamaged so it was just a rolling ball of non-stop metal, losing that reaver was quite painful.

Sangho has took his 3rd rather quickly from his 1 gate initial build and fantasy was able to manage to get to scout his main twice with the rax and scv allowing him to create an easy defense.

I personally think if sangho got his 3rd later and invested on maintaining a strong center army would have prevented the push, perhaps even the addition of a shuttle with dt or even reaver to deter it, but I think he wasn't very confident in the idea of facing him in an even base war, so he took the risk of trying to get a significant eco advantage early on.

A toss always wants to keep the terran in the blind early game because P has many early game advantages that way, sangho failed to do so and played a completely predictable game.

AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 17 2008 11:07 GMT
#87
On August 17 2008 20:03 Rucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2008 19:32 AttackZerg wrote:
So if toss doesn't try dt/reaver and goes straight macro, terran push wins anyway ...?... will somebody tell me?


I'll tell you. No terran push does not win anyway. :D


Toss macro is so easy, why don't they macro instead of wasting on do or die techs that work maybe 50% of the time, at best.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
August 17 2008 11:07 GMT
#88
Hey uh, if this is NaDa's 17th MSL appearance, that means he only missed 2 msls...damn, legendary right...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 17 2008 11:09 GMT
#89
[QUOTE]On August 17 2008 20:06 QuietIdiot wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 17 2008 19:57 Shauni wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 17 2008 19:32 AttackZerg wrote:

[/QUOTE]


thank you
mizoguchi
Profile Joined August 2008
United States50 Posts
August 17 2008 11:09 GMT
#90
sangho at 1, pylon at natural
study at 5, ovie going in right direction
mizoguchi
Profile Joined August 2008
United States50 Posts
August 17 2008 11:12 GMT
#91
study takes inside expo instead, because of harass by probe
nexus up, six lings out
mizoguchi
Profile Joined August 2008
United States50 Posts
August 17 2008 11:13 GMT
#92
oh he did get the nat. i missed that
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
August 17 2008 11:15 GMT
#93
On August 17 2008 20:07 AttackZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2008 20:03 Rucky wrote:
On August 17 2008 19:32 AttackZerg wrote:
So if toss doesn't try dt/reaver and goes straight macro, terran push wins anyway ...?... will somebody tell me?


I'll tell you. No terran push does not win anyway. :D


Toss macro is so easy, why don't they macro instead of wasting on do or die techs that work maybe 50% of the time, at best.

The concept of pumping units may be easier, but protoss is not as flexible as the other races. The wrong combos at a certain timing means death, worse than a zerg, and the "so-called do or die techs" are a means of deterring that limitation by adding special qualities to that combination, such as storm/dt/reaver because of their capacity have a degree of openness to counters, as well adds a bit of pressure to the enemy, earlier comsat, more turrets, and simply stressing the opponent.

Of course there is the risk of having less units, but nowadays protoss pros seem to attempt to be as unpredictable as possible by risking between tech variations to keep the opponent on guard, just one of the tricks in the bag.
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
August 17 2008 11:15 GMT
#94
lol where those 20 hydra came from
n_n
mizoguchi
Profile Joined August 2008
United States50 Posts
August 17 2008 11:15 GMT
#95
sangho all up in study's main. also DT out.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 17 2008 11:15 GMT
#96
this guy is a joke pvz too!
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6172 Posts
August 17 2008 11:16 GMT
#97
infinity stream of hydra attack the toss ( forgot the name T_T)
n_n
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
August 17 2008 11:17 GMT
#98
omfg worst hydra micro ever... full of fail
QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-17 11:19:11
August 17 2008 11:17 GMT
#99
no wait this zerg really really blows.

All the zerg is doing now is massing hydra and going 1a2a3a4a (moves back)

Snipe a few temps but lose a shitload of them in the process.
mizoguchi
Profile Joined August 2008
United States50 Posts
August 17 2008 11:18 GMT
#100
came back from buffering and hydras attaxing sangho nat. lol
got hit by flood control so i go concentrates on game
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