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OmegaFang
Profile Joined May 2008
United States156 Posts
July 25 2008 21:19 GMT
#141
I watch mine through GomTV Player.

This link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52741 helped me set up everything. When you look at the TV listings part of the player their should be a banner that says MSL Finals in the middle of the page. Right above that is a bar that changes times and programs. Click the play button when it shows 17:00 MSL and it should opent the stream. It can get a bit laggy and frustrating at times though.
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 25 2008 21:38 GMT
#142
Did i ever once say that i didn't want JD to win? No, all i said is that its not gonna be the complete shutout you fanboys are spouting.
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
July 25 2008 21:43 GMT
#143
On July 26 2008 04:20 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
Jaedong's weakness is special strats and cheeze builds. A majority of the games he lost were due to them; in fact most of them.

Jaedong has lost 11 games since his win over Kal in the MSL final. His ELO peak was around that time as well so he was on top of his game. Of those 11 games 6 were due to either special strat or a very imba map. Losses vs Ruby, Casy, Backho, and Bisu were due to a cheeze/special strat. (Similarly he before lost once against Best and 5 times to Flash including GSI, 2 of them against metal). So out of the past 11 games 4 were due to strat, 2 were due to imba map Tiamat, and 5 (less than half) were straight up losses against Mind, Hwasin, and Oversky.

ForGG must cheese or do a metal build like Idra suggested to win. He has strong straight up play but his chances are much higher if he takes the special strat route. I remember how he pulled out a sunken bust against Kwanro in PL finals. That game was as important as any game in this upcoming final so I believe he has the mental capability of successfully pulling off a cheese. If he goes metal on Colesseum, does the 4 rax quick grade on Tiamat (like Hwasin) and tries a sunk bust in another game, he has a good chance of winning. (Btw Jaedong lost to a sunk break against Frozean before). If he playes straight up, he will not beat Jaedong. Jaedong's play is just untouchable right now. Lomo did the right thing by Buk rushing and sunk busting Jaedong in the GSL. ForGG must follow suit.


Hopefully Jaedong will be pretty well-prepared for the possibility that Forgg is going to try these strategies. Tiamat to me, looks almost unwinnable against a well-prepared and executed terran strat.
Didn't most people think Timat favoured zerg because of all the potential flanks? Its 4-0 record is not really indicative of it being imba, the terrans just played better than the zergs in all those games.
Can you dig it?
NotJumperer
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States1371 Posts
July 26 2008 01:18 GMT
#144
--- Nuked ---
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
July 26 2008 01:25 GMT
#145
On July 26 2008 06:43 ScarFace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2008 04:20 tomatriedes wrote:
On July 26 2008 03:58 TheTyranid wrote:
Jaedong's weakness is special strats and cheeze builds. A majority of the games he lost were due to them; in fact most of them.

Jaedong has lost 11 games since his win over Kal in the MSL final. His ELO peak was around that time as well so he was on top of his game. Of those 11 games 6 were due to either special strat or a very imba map. Losses vs Ruby, Casy, Backho, and Bisu were due to a cheeze/special strat. (Similarly he before lost once against Best and 5 times to Flash including GSI, 2 of them against metal). So out of the past 11 games 4 were due to strat, 2 were due to imba map Tiamat, and 5 (less than half) were straight up losses against Mind, Hwasin, and Oversky.

ForGG must cheese or do a metal build like Idra suggested to win. He has strong straight up play but his chances are much higher if he takes the special strat route. I remember how he pulled out a sunken bust against Kwanro in PL finals. That game was as important as any game in this upcoming final so I believe he has the mental capability of successfully pulling off a cheese. If he goes metal on Colesseum, does the 4 rax quick grade on Tiamat (like Hwasin) and tries a sunk bust in another game, he has a good chance of winning. (Btw Jaedong lost to a sunk break against Frozean before). If he playes straight up, he will not beat Jaedong. Jaedong's play is just untouchable right now. Lomo did the right thing by Buk rushing and sunk busting Jaedong in the GSL. ForGG must follow suit.


Hopefully Jaedong will be pretty well-prepared for the possibility that Forgg is going to try these strategies. Tiamat to me, looks almost unwinnable against a well-prepared and executed terran strat.
Didn't most people think Timat favoured zerg because of all the potential flanks? Its 4-0 record is not really indicative of it being imba, the terrans just played better than the zergs in all those games.

i think it's really tough midgame, mutas don't seem to work and the zerg 3rd seems really exposed. hard to say with such a small sample size, though
WindCalibur
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Canada938 Posts
July 26 2008 01:31 GMT
#146
i think in order for jaedong to take this, he needs to be more defensive. other than that, i can see sunken breaks and cheese everywhere. when he goes to defensive stance and gets to late game, no matter what ForGG does, i doubt he will be able to catch up.
Deleted User 31060
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
July 26 2008 01:31 GMT
#147
On July 26 2008 10:18 Jumperer wrote:
Forgg has no chance against 60 stacked mutas acting as one.


yeah his micro is so bad he keeps misclicking his irradiates
Peaked at C- on ICCUP and proud of it! @Sunyveil
teh.pwnerer
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada110 Posts
July 26 2008 01:41 GMT
#148
Well in the OP picture, Jaedong has that "I'm gonna rape you, bitch" face on, so I'll pick him.
Mass Dark Archons FTW
cubedog
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1 Post
July 26 2008 01:58 GMT
#149
is this match gonna be streaming live here?
Azrael1111
Profile Joined July 2008
United States550 Posts
July 26 2008 02:08 GMT
#150
What time does it start eastern time?
Tinithor
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1552 Posts
July 26 2008 02:11 GMT
#151
4 am
"Oh-My-GOD" ... "Is many mutas, Yes?"
Kletus
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada580 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 02:50:59
July 26 2008 02:41 GMT
#152
Clean Sweep by Zerg. MSL, OSL, and the GOMTV Classic. You heard it here first, that is, unless someone else mentioned it here beforehand .
Your resistance only serves to make my carapace harder.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 26 2008 02:54 GMT
#153
On July 26 2008 10:58 cubedog wrote:
is this match gonna be streaming live here?


yes it'll stream live all over the internet. please check the ultimate FAQ for watching SC
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
July 26 2008 02:55 GMT
#154
On July 26 2008 11:41 Kletus wrote:
Clean Sweep by Zerg. MSL, OSL, and the GOMTV Classic. You heard it here first, that is, unless someone else mentioned it here beforehand .


What? But this poll said Flash would win all of them:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=73195

bahahaha
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 26 2008 02:55 GMT
#155
On July 26 2008 11:08 Azrael1111 wrote:
What time does it start eastern time?


click the "Time" on the top right corner of TL and convert 1630 KST? i think to whatever timezone you're in
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 03:04:22
July 26 2008 03:00 GMT
#156
4 AM Eastern time. It's a bitch. Use Liquid Notify and thank R1CH.
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 03:03:56
July 26 2008 03:03 GMT
#157
double -_-
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
July 26 2008 03:09 GMT
#158
Oh snap this is in like 5 hours... I need to start drinking!!

I think I'll play CoD4 for a while until I burn myself out and want to vegetate to a nice live SC match

TERRAN REPRESENTIN'
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starcraft911
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)1263 Posts
July 26 2008 03:39 GMT
#159
On July 24 2008 14:45 ScarFace wrote:Though he will know what Jaedong is going to do, considering their experiences together.....


I see quite a few people saying things like this, but I can't disagree more. Any advantage one of them has the other has as well in relation to their 'team factor'.

The maps are going to be hands down the largest non-skill related issue. I think Jaedong is going to win for sure. I think there will be at least one game where Jaedong more-or-less humiliates fOrGG by straight up outplaying him.

I'm disappointed that Flash lost (convincingly) to fOrGG... I think Jaedong vs Flash would have been much more enjoyable.
traced
Profile Joined October 2007
1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 05:27:43
July 26 2008 05:26 GMT
#160
speaking from competitive experience (though i'm not sure how well fighting games translate over to starcraft), familiarity fosters parity.

players are more likely to either consciously or subconsciously pick up flaws in their opponent's game, or susceptibilities or weaknesses that the opponent is unaware of. in smash bros, at least, it meant my friend, who i by far outclassed, still went 50/50 or better with me when i wasn't trying my hardest, and it meant i could occasionally perceive certain habits or patterns in the play of the best player in the world, even though he far outclassed me.

however, the level of play of jaedong, and starcraft, is so beyond what i know that it's possible there's nothing in his game forgg can exploit that he's already not aware of. i guess we'll see!
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