On September 23 2025 07:29 Peeano wrote: Rofl Mini. Of all the builds you can choose you chose 12nex for final game? Where was your brain at? That B rank desperatelion probe pull was just beyond hilarious.
Yeah lol. I mean I am not surprised, but I think that was kind of an easy read for Barracks; 4 player map, final game, the 12nex is coming.
You guys are just talking from hindsight lol. It's just a total coin flip for both of them. If it works you're "ballsy" , if it doesn't you're "stupid".
Same Mini who went 12 Nexus in game 7 to win his ASL against Rush.
Same Mini who went center gate 9 9 in game 7 to lose his ASL against Larva.
I think the proper term is "calculated risk", admittedly sometimes more "intuitive risk". "Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play.
In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice.
On September 23 2025 15:12 Highgamer wrote: I think the proper term is "calculated risk", admittedly sometimes more "intuitive risk". "Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play.
In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice.
Just because your choice is based on "hidden factors" and mind games, doesn't make it less of a coinflip. Mini chose greedy econ, Barracks chose early all in. That it might be 60-40 or 70-30 in practice doesn't matter at all imo, only that instance counts because that's where the results have an actual implication. Maybe dice roll with succes from 3 and up would be something you prefer as an analogy.
On September 23 2025 07:29 Peeano wrote: Rofl Mini. Of all the builds you can choose you chose 12nex for final game? Where was your brain at? That B rank desperation probe pull was just beyond hilarious.
Yeah lol. I mean I am not surprised, but I think that was kind of an easy read for Barracks; 4 player map, final game, the 12nex is coming.
You guys are just talking from hindsight lol. It's just a total coin flip for both of them. If it works you're "ballsy" , if it doesn't you're "stupid".
Same Mini who went 12 Nexus in game 7 to win his ASL against Rush.
Same Mini who went center gate 9 9 in game 7 to lose his ASL against Larva.
I'm surely not. Literally when the game started I just knew Barracks would do some kind of early aggression. In fact I would have been surprised if it wasn't an all in, regardless of it being a 4 player map. Hence I ridicule Mini for his build order (and the series overall).
Did you watch the full thing, game by game, TMNT? Sadly I couldn't watch live, but I skipped very little action and I was fully immersed when I had those thoughts.
On September 23 2025 15:12 Highgamer wrote: I think the proper term is "calculated risk", admittedly sometimes more "intuitive risk". "Coinflip" implies that the outcome is 100% out of your hand once the coin is tossed, that there are only every two outcomes with 50%, when actually the probability varies a lot and the players' performance matters even in situations where the outcome seems very foreseeable. Even pros mess up in favorable scenarios sometimes. Nerves, willpower, concentration, fatigue etc. still come into play.
In JinJin's translated videos I've seen Flash sometimes having interesting takes on certain decisions that a layman would regard as just risky or "ballsy" or "stupid", giving insight into hidden factors for the decision-making tied to map-layout, spawn-position, timings. Stuff that changes the risk-percentages that non-pros wouldn't even notice.
Just because your choice is based on "hidden factors" and mind games, doesn't make it less of a coinflip. Mini chose greedy econ, Barracks chose early all in. That it might be 60-40 or 70-30 in practice doesn't matter at all imo, only that instance counts because that's where the results have an actual implication. Maybe dice roll with succes from 3 and up would be something you prefer as an analogy.
Yes, rolling the dice is closer I think, but even then it's more complex to determine your win% because there are so many openings in BW. You choose an opening that that beats 1 easily, beats 2 narrowly, ties with 3, should lose against 4, lose hard against 5 and has almost no chance against 6.
And this analogy also only ever fits for the opening-choice, not for the gameplay that follows (non-existent in coin flipping or dice rolling), where upsets can happen.
Imo Mini got too greedy with builds. He's seen that Barracks was doing alot of timing attacks and aggression but he still went for it guess he was risking it but didnt pay off.
On September 24 2025 15:58 prototype. wrote: surprising to see barracks advancing to ro4 but mini looked pretty weak even in the games he won
It was a done deal after Roaring Currents. It is a bad outcome, but good for the ratings.
How is it a bad outcome? Mini played bad simple as that.
Sure Snow will probably run over Barracks but the Mini we saw Monday isn't going to put up more of a fight either.
I cannot take terran players seriously. You should give me a break. 2 proxy rax Bo7? Give me a break...
Bro what are you rambling about.
4 pool, 8 rax and proxy gate are all part of the game. Otherwise we end up with only macro games and early game planning and builds die lol
Mini risked a nexus first which usually puts advantage for the protoss vs T in most cases and he got punished cause Barracks also picked the right build. Barracks read it right and Mini got punished for it
On September 24 2025 18:10 Phyanketto wrote: Who's is the protoss hero now?
On September 22 2025 21:42 oxKnu wrote: Snow will not die to this stuff. The run ends next round for Barracks.
Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal.
Let's go snow. For Mini!
If snow gets through effort. pvz is always dicey for anyone not Mini.
Snow will murder barracks though,
Honestly if Snow makes it. Barracks is pretty screwed. I have not see anybody really beat Snow in a TvP in awhile. He's like almost perfected that matchup lol
On September 24 2025 22:16 goody153 wrote: Surpring series with no late game
Imo Mini got too greedy with builds. He's seen that Barracks was doing alot of timing attacks and aggression but he still went for it guess he was risking it but didnt pay off.
On September 24 2025 15:58 prototype. wrote: surprising to see barracks advancing to ro4 but mini looked pretty weak even in the games he won
It was a done deal after Roaring Currents. It is a bad outcome, but good for the ratings.
How is it a bad outcome? Mini played bad simple as that.
Sure Snow will probably run over Barracks but the Mini we saw Monday isn't going to put up more of a fight either.
I cannot take terran players seriously. You should give me a break. 2 proxy rax Bo7? Give me a break...
Bro what are you rambling about.
4 pool, 8 rax and proxy gate are all part of the game. Otherwise we end up with only macro games and early game planning and builds die lol
Mini risked a nexus first which usually puts advantage for the protoss vs T in most cases and he got punished cause Barracks also picked the right build. Barracks read it right and Mini got punished for it
On September 22 2025 21:42 oxKnu wrote: Snow will not die to this stuff. The run ends next round for Barracks.
Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal.
Let's go snow. For Mini!
If snow gets through effort. pvz is always dicey for anyone not Mini.
Snow will murder barracks though,
Honestly if Snow makes it. Barracks is pretty screwed. I have not see anybody really beat Snow in a TvP in awhile. He's like almost perfected that matchup lol
Have you any nexus first games that worked? It is different than 3-Hatch. There is no surprise element in nexus first, the enemy has to be stupid to miss it.
Flash always been mentoring Barracks actually. Even from the Kespa days i remember an interview or something where he told Barracks that he has the highest APM from every progamer but need to use it smarter lol.
On September 24 2025 22:16 goody153 wrote: Surpring series with no late game
Imo Mini got too greedy with builds. He's seen that Barracks was doing alot of timing attacks and aggression but he still went for it guess he was risking it but didnt pay off.
On September 24 2025 18:11 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 24 2025 17:44 Gorsameth wrote:
On September 24 2025 17:27 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 24 2025 15:58 prototype. wrote: surprising to see barracks advancing to ro4 but mini looked pretty weak even in the games he won
It was a done deal after Roaring Currents. It is a bad outcome, but good for the ratings.
How is it a bad outcome? Mini played bad simple as that.
Sure Snow will probably run over Barracks but the Mini we saw Monday isn't going to put up more of a fight either.
I cannot take terran players seriously. You should give me a break. 2 proxy rax Bo7? Give me a break...
Bro what are you rambling about.
4 pool, 8 rax and proxy gate are all part of the game. Otherwise we end up with only macro games and early game planning and builds die lol
Mini risked a nexus first which usually puts advantage for the protoss vs T in most cases and he got punished cause Barracks also picked the right build. Barracks read it right and Mini got punished for it
On September 24 2025 18:10 Phyanketto wrote: Who's is the protoss hero now?
Snow maybe ? Idk Best is pretty good too
On September 23 2025 07:26 Sabu113 wrote:
On September 23 2025 06:37 mtcn77 wrote:
On September 22 2025 21:42 oxKnu wrote: Snow will not die to this stuff. The run ends next round for Barracks.
Mini is not a good defending player, he always thinks from the perspective of initiating the winning play, which is not always optimal.
Let's go snow. For Mini!
If snow gets through effort. pvz is always dicey for anyone not Mini.
Snow will murder barracks though,
Honestly if Snow makes it. Barracks is pretty screwed. I have not see anybody really beat Snow in a TvP in awhile. He's like almost perfected that matchup lol
Have you any nexus first games that worked? It is different than 3-Hatch. There is no surprise element in nexus first, the enemy has to be stupid to miss it.
Wdym have you seen nexus first games working ?
There is no better player in history than flash and dude is raging against it LOL why do you think it is a viable build lmao
I dont even play protoss and I know that shits a thing.
Also calling anybody who dont counter nexus first stupid why could you counter every nexus first that you run into lol. Are you better than flash ? or half the terran progamers who lose to it ?
On September 25 2025 01:27 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Flash always been mentoring Barracks actually. Even from the Kespa days i remember an interview or something where he told Barracks that he has the highest APM from every progamer but need to use it smarter lol.
It's kinda notable that Barracks mechanics is kinda good
This channel is amazing. I'd never been able to get how much personality these guys have. Flash being an effusive and jokingly-arrogant guy is amazing. There was another one where sea was saying a zerg couldn't throw a game from this position even if they were Savior, which had me rolling
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