[ASL19] Ro24 Group A

On March 24 2025 14:04 Emnjay808 wrote:
Gonna be waiting for english cast. im so excited!

On March 24 2025 19:05 hubfub wrote:
wait where is the tastosis cast?

On March 24 2025 19:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:


real ones watch the korean stream in 144p

On March 24 2025 19:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:


real ones watch the korean stream in 144p

On March 24 2025 20:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
still got 4

On March 24 2025 20:11 prosatan wrote:
i still think calm is ahead...

On March 24 2025 20:05 CicadaSC wrote:
i really think if clem or serral switched to broodwar in a year or less theyd be putting these guys to shame.

On March 24 2025 20:14 Peeano wrote:

Lmao. I'll see it before I believe it. Imo TY would have already done it if true.

On March 24 2025 20:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
kinda mid game, just happened to be longer than every pvz last season.

On March 24 2025 20:05 CicadaSC wrote:
i really think if clem or serral switched to broodwar in a year or less theyd be putting these guys to shame.

On March 24 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote:

No way.

Korean progamers trained under the Kespa regime for the hardest RTS game ever are a different species to anything you're seeing today. Let's not forget all these guys are in their mid fucking 30s and nobody else on the planet can touch their level. Shuttle can literally be Clem's uncle.

Clem or Serral In a year? Are you serious? These guys trained in team house for years then played for another 15 years or so.

On March 24 2025 20:29 TMNT wrote:

No way.

Korean progamers trained under the Kespa regime for the hardest RTS game ever are a different species to anything you're seeing today. Let's not forget all these guys are in their mid fucking 30s and nobody else on the planet can touch their level. Shuttle can literally be Clem's uncle.

Clem or Serral In a year? Are you serious? These guys trained in team house for years then played for another 15 years or so.

On March 24 2025 20:31 CicadaSC wrote:
you say different species... but serral has been clapping those same players for 7 years. since 2018 he hasnt missed a beat. and yes, that includes players who trained under kespa in sc1 and sc2. including ty, zest, stats, dark you name it.

On March 24 2025 20:34 ggsimida wrote:
i follow sc2, those 2 are on another level even compared to the current best sc2 koreans like maru and herO. i think they can genuinely match and beat low tier bw pros with some coaching and time investment, clem for sure gonna beat clam lol. of course matching against top tiers like mini and sk will be more questionable even with massive time investment

On March 24 2025 20:50 TMNT wrote:


Yep. But here lies the problem: we're talking about different games and different players. There were possibly thousands trained under Kespa but not everyone can last in BW until today.

Those SC2 players you named weren't great BW players and aren't / wouldn't be great BW players. TY is like what? Get into ASL once. MC hasn't qualified. Serral and Clem clapping them in SC2 doesn't mean they can do the same in SC1, let alone doing it against better players than them in SC1.

And don't forget about the age difference which makes it unfair comparison for ASL players. We're talking about Serral and Clem playing their uncles. Transfer them today to 2008 Korean, there's nothing guaranteeing they could make the roster of a pro team.

On March 24 2025 20:46 BLinD-RawR wrote:


you're talking about learning through no MBS, no Automine, no smartcasting, 12 unit selection. I'll give Serral and Clem this, they could keep up on a strategic level and figure out what to do and what they're opponent is doing but probably not be able to keep up.

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On March 24 2025 21:09 Duckvillelol wrote:
Someone bust out the "that is many tank, yes" pic pls

On March 24 2025 21:14 prosatan wrote:

i have that pic and tried to upload...

but it says: upload to imgur failed

On March 24 2025 21:01 ggsimida wrote:
i was very impressed not just by their mechanics but also but their attitude, ingame decision making and adaptability, traits a lot of the old bw uncs do not have. if u actually follow them i would not be surprised if they could at least qualify for asl with significant amount of training and coaching. i remember scarlett (a lower tier sc2 foreigner) played in an asl qualifier and did ok (took some sets) even though she was not fully committed and did not obv qualify.

if u still advocate for the likes of sea and clam to beat them then u are just a negative boomer like them

On March 24 2025 21:37 TornadoSteve wrote:
The quality of those games were subASL level, to say the least

On March 24 2025 21:44 TMNT wrote:

Because players aren't as focused on the game as before.

Shuttle and Clam both spending more time with SC universities than playing BW. Shuttle is even involved in that excel dancing shit.

And for as much as everyone, notably Artosis, will be pushing for the narrative that Scan has been grinding hard for this day, the truth is for a year or so now he has spent increasingly time on coaching at YB (Sea's university) and less on actually playing BW.

On March 24 2025 23:09 Giovanni8 wrote:
Scan deserved this qualification so much, i am very happy for him!!!

On March 24 2025 23:04 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Scan did in fact grind a fair bit so Artosis would not be wrong. Talk to him on a daily basis. It is possible to do a lot of University activities and also practice a good amount. Shuttle also put in a good amount of games but cant say much about whether he was super dilligent about his practice. But it was more than he did for the last three times he qualified. Calm on the other hand played less for a far as I know. But even then, back when Calm played a lot more Scan was still winning like 80% of his TvZ vs Calm, albeit in online play.

I legit think you are down playing pros and their activity and drive way too much. Xun was doing the same on stream and I very very much disagree with it because often times its just not an actual reflection of reality. For example Xun said pros play way less serious online, even though that is where they actually make a living. Proleagues, KcM, Ultimate battles and the Chinese sponsored battles and the Soop series has the pros playing their very best most of the time. Plus they are in their comfort zone of their own homes with their own chairs and setup. I will argue pros play worse offline on average than online.

While yea, ASL has the most prestige, it does not mean players are able to play their very best on stage everytime they are on stage.

On March 24 2025 23:30 TMNT wrote:


But Proleague activity has been down for a year or so. Same goes for sponmatches. KCM is a 8-week tournament, 3 times a year, in which only 3 players join a week.

I don't count laddering as serious practice, let alone the amount of ladder activity each one has.

Chinese UB are almost exclusively for top 10 players or so.

You can't say they are spending a lot of time with other stuff and still spending as much time playing BW as before.

If you say Barracks has been grinding, I can see it because the only thing he does when turning on his stream is playing, be it ladder, spons, proleagues... He's never joined a university, he doesn't play UMS, he doesn't play LOL, he doesn't coach, he doesn't do variety streaming.

When you turn on Shuttle's stream, you see him acting as host for excel dancing, playing various games, joining in a plethora of C9's activities,... Even if he puts on a few weeks of focus on BW and 100 ladder games (which as I said doesn't count as serious practice anyway), it doesn't erase the months before that when he was doing all kinds of variety streaming.

Similarly, if Scan is doing more YB's activities now, it means he can't play as much as he used to before.

On March 24 2025 23:43 Peeano wrote:
Tbh I didn't think Shuttle wouldn't knock out Scan after that terrrrible start. Good job by Scan being mentally resilient and letting Shuttle throw his lead. As for Calm I'm surprised he got a win at all. When a progamer's worker transfer is off when nothing else significant is happening, it's a huge tell they're in bad shape...

But in Calm's defense I can't recall one game where his mechanics looked good.

On March 24 2025 23:36 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Players play outside of streaming too. UMS setting private games which dont appear on match history. Most of their practice is done like this. Proleague activity for sure has decreased, and its in part because of the chinese spons being so frequent taking some of the top players out of the proleagues. And dont get me started on proleagues and spons. I have literally thrown multiple thousands of dollars at them and have my finger on the pulse to keep track. I legit think you are not giving enough credit to the players and their efforts, and you are not the only person on TL that down plays it.

I have also made the argument before, and this is also something pros know. Quantity is way less important than quality. Quality practice is way different than grinding out quantity for the sake of grinding out max number of games. Pros also discuss game theory with one another and analyze the gameplay of their contemporaries, something that happens outside of playing matches but is still essential for improvement. Things like watching the VODs of a top players and deciphering conceptual theory behind the play for their own implementation.

On March 25 2025 00:33 TMNT wrote:

But they could also do all those things (private games, analyzing replays, watching VODs) before too. And we have no way to quantify what they're doing behind the stream. For all we know these people have a life too and behind the stream they could very well go outside, meet families and friends, and for some, take care of children.

I'm neither giving credits nor discredits to them, nor am I making criticism. I'm simply pointing out that if they are doing more of something else, they are doing less of playing BW. I don't think grinding out hundreds of games is good practicing either, but at the same time you can't say that if they spend most of their time doing variety streaming or coaching, they would still have quality practice just as much as they used to (when they weren't doing all those other things).

On March 25 2025 04:57 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Also, TMNT, from one supreme jackass to another: chill the f**k out and stop fighting with people all the time. Forums are a happy place.

On March 25 2025 04:39 PVJ wrote:
What happened with Nyoken?

On March 25 2025 12:03 Soft_General_5023 wrote:
nyoken is the best english bw caster, hope we see him later in this asl

On March 25 2025 08:21 End1ess wrote:
I should get extra LB for getting this group right

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On March 24 2025 19:05 hubfub wrote:
wait where is the tastosis cast?

On March 24 2025 20:05 CicadaSC wrote:
i really think if clem or serral switched to broodwar in a year or less theyd be putting these guys to shame.

On March 24 2025 19:32 prosatan wrote:
mini thinks he is playing a pvz and goes for pylon gate at the expo huhu

On March 26 2025 20:08 Lovethelord wrote:
how did Scan beat shuttle? I don't get it. After the bunker bust he was so behind and everything was going Shuttle's way.