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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1015 Posts
September 30 2024 06:00 GMT
#2
Speed&Rain!
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China145 Posts
September 30 2024 06:21 GMT
#3
Does anyone still remember how terrible Rain was in PVP?
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 06:23 GMT
#4
So far we have two Zergs and two Terrans. So we could do with two Protoss players. Sorry Speed. You're in the way.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 06:23 GMT
#5
On September 30 2024 15:21 Zergxhx wrote:
Does anyone still remember how terrible Rain was in PVP?

Was he?

When he was good, he was good at PvP.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey726 Posts
September 30 2024 06:25 GMT
#6
Legend of the Fall. Go Mini and SnOw !
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 06:52 GMT
#7
Really tough group to pick.

Mini and Snow are the obv choice, but...

Rain has a case for being the PvP Goat. He doesn't seem very serious about BW atm, but I can see him progressing on the back of his elite PvP.

Speed continues to get better and better. This could be his breakout tournament similar to JyJ and Royal of previous ASLs.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 07:03 GMT
#8
2 protoss players to advance.. hopefully..

FIGHTING!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 07:20:18
September 30 2024 07:20 GMT
#9
Rain's PvP has been very meh since coming back. Like, on par with the likes of Shuttle. Don't expect him repeating his form 6 years ago
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4986 Posts
September 30 2024 07:21 GMT
#10
Just imagine Speed and Rain advancing for a moment. Lmao
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4986 Posts
September 30 2024 07:28 GMT
#11
We need either Snow, Mini or Stork to reach the finals as it's fall. Rain is forever overrated at this point and his chances to win it all are practically nonexistent, so I hope he drops out on this round.
FBH #1!
`Myst
Profile Joined September 2024
16 Posts
September 30 2024 07:49 GMT
#12
Recent cwal.gg Stats:

Rain        . PvP        77% . (31-9)

Mini        . PvP        82% . (14-3)

Snow        .PvT        100% (22-0)

Speed        TvP        77% . (74-17)
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 08:06 GMT
#13
Those state are... all pretty good. 100% is just silly.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 08:07 GMT
#14
God damnit, I won't be able to watch this live. Why?!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
avanhokie
Profile Joined May 2017
50 Posts
September 30 2024 08:10 GMT
#15
GO SNOW AND MINI, beat fraudster RAIN and lucky boy sexy.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 08:52 GMT
#16
On September 30 2024 16:49 `Myst wrote:
Recent cwal.gg Stats:

Rain        . PvP        77% . (31-9)

Mini        . PvP        82% . (14-3)

Snow        .PvT        100% (22-0)

Speed        TvP        77% . (74-17)


What is this? Ladder?
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 09:03 GMT
#17
snow and speed for my lb ...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey726 Posts
September 30 2024 09:11 GMT
#18
On September 30 2024 18:03 prosatan wrote:
snow and speed for my lb ...

Speed over Mini is a huge gamble
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 09:59 GMT
#19
On September 30 2024 18:11 HOLYBATS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 18:03 prosatan wrote:
snow and speed for my lb ...

Speed over Mini is a huge gamble

Yess
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
66 Posts
September 30 2024 10:01 GMT
#20
Snow 2-0
Mini 2-1
Rain 1-2
Speed 0-2
His children must be proud of him on what he did on Twitch
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 30 2024 10:13 GMT
#21
Snow - Mini to go through. Pl-ea-se!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Rain meets Speed I think he will be eliminated. His tournament vT is like 37%?

I think Snow is still too different from Best that Speed can pick it up.

Speed said he _wanted_ a rematch against Snow in the group selection, so it is on him to come up with a glowing, hot, shining protoss-beating strategy.
The heart's eternal vow
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:21 GMT
#22
Ok ! Snow vs speed on Radeon !

Snow - bottom left
Speed- top left
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:22 GMT
#23
10 minutes Flash
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:29 GMT
#24
20 kill reaver lmao.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:29 GMT
#25
A reaver with 20 kills... nothing new here...
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:29 GMT
#26
We seen this before.... speed hasn't learnt his lesson
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:32 GMT
#27
no turret at nat classic terran
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:34 GMT
#28
bro lost way too many zealots to just 2 vultures
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:35 GMT
#29
Snow doing the classic Reaver into DT into Arbiter into Carrier build I see. (wtf lmao)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:36 GMT
#30
Snow is going full jaehoon, arbs and carriers
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:36 GMT
#31
Speed going to hit his 2/1 timing
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:39 GMT
#32
Good game ! Speed has the upper hand i think
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:39 GMT
#33
snow is not microing his carriers well. Lost one badly and his interceptors are not coming out properly.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:39 GMT
#34
On September 30 2024 19:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Snow is going full jaehoon, arbs and carriers

He just needs to recall an observer
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:40 GMT
#35
man this is peak button press army for snow
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:40 GMT
#36
Or it was tyson ?? Can't remember
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:41 GMT
#37
man snow tried too much tech this game
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
September 30 2024 10:42 GMT
#38
How the hell do you lose a game where your opening reaver kills almost 20 scv's...
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:42 GMT
#39
carriers are really good but snow is down bases
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:43 GMT
#40
I seara i am rooting for speed!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
SpaNiarD
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Spain346 Posts
September 30 2024 10:44 GMT
#41
tesagi
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:45 GMT
#42
if snow could just micro a bit better he would be annihilating speed but he's lost like 7 carriers in such a sloppy manner.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:46 GMT
#43
Snow's build being stupid as hell didn't help.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:47 GMT
#44
snow distance mining lmao
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
September 30 2024 10:48 GMT
#45
Why does Snow lose to Speed of all people?
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 10:48 GMT
#46
Rain and speed!! Lets goooo!!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:48 GMT
#47
Poll: Recommend Snow vs Speed?

Yes (28)
 
90%

No (2)
 
6%

If you have time (1)
 
3%

31 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Snow vs Speed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 10:48 GMT
#48
On September 30 2024 19:48 Terrorbladder wrote:
Why does Snow lose to Speed of all people?

he has nobody but himself to blame. He played so sloppily and with a weird ass build.
Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2718 Posts
September 30 2024 10:49 GMT
#49
On September 30 2024 19:48 Kaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 19:48 Terrorbladder wrote:
Why does Snow lose to Speed of all people?

he has nobody but himself to blame. He played so sloppily and with a weird ass build.
Ah, I didn't catch the entire of the match, just tuned in for the last 5 minutes when Snow got like 4 carriers.
My dream is to fertilize two females at a time.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 10:49 GMT
#50
One of the greatest throws I’ve ever seen.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
September 30 2024 10:49 GMT
#51
wtf snow. he is going to have nightmares about losing that game.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey726 Posts
September 30 2024 10:49 GMT
#52
Incredible game!
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
September 30 2024 10:50 GMT
#53
that game is kinda emblematic of why snow never won any offline tourney thus far
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 10:51:30
September 30 2024 10:50 GMT
#54
I thought Speed was just playing it out because he might as well. Why you go some weird Arb+ground+carrier build there is beyond me. Just do the Bisu quick ground/arb max out or do the Mini quick carriers and A move to victory. I’d love to know what snows reasoning for doing what he did.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8502 Posts
September 30 2024 10:51 GMT
#55
Idk I really enjoyed that match. Yes, Snow could have played better but Speed played out of his mind.
cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 30 2024 10:52 GMT
#56
Man people say Snow deserves to win an ASL/SSL, but when you throw a game in this way, I'd argue you actually don't deserve to win at all.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 10:52 GMT
#57
Snow now has to play a PvP vs Mini or Rain to stay alive -_-
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 10:52 GMT
#58
I'm never letting simplistik cook again
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 30 2024 10:54 GMT
#59
On September 30 2024 19:52 cheesehuehue wrote:
Man people say Snow deserves to win an ASL/SSL, but when you throw a game in this way, I'd argue you actually don't deserve to win at all.



I mean, compare this dumb as hell build to Soulkey's recurrent 200 IQ strategies in ASL/SSL and tell me who actually deserves to win the tournament.
Hoanghai227
Profile Joined October 2023
6 Posts
September 30 2024 10:58 GMT
#60
Snow thought he won 100% and want to show something. A lesson for him for looking down Speed. He can win for sure with only dragoon, shuttle and speed zealot into 3rd base easily.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
September 30 2024 11:01 GMT
#61
1 year ago he would have just tech'd into storm, expanded the whole map and kept attacking Speed until Terran ran out of steam.

There are only 2 explanations for that build. One is he got cocky and tried to be cute by showcasing every tech Protoss has. The other is he got PTSD of the 5 6 Fac meta so he went for way too many safety measures before Carriers.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 11:07:36
September 30 2024 11:06 GMT
#62
I really would like to know why every protoss tries to drop behind the mineral line and not to the sides or inside it. The scarabs seem to only do damage like 5% of the time when you drop fully behind because of the travel distance. You'd think they'd know not to do it by now. Especially since Rain saw mini's army move out with his obs. Such an opportunity missed.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
September 30 2024 11:08 GMT
#63
On September 30 2024 20:06 Kaal wrote:
I really would like to know why every protoss tries to drop behind the mineral line and not to the sides or inside it. The scarabs seem to only do damage like 5% of the time when you drop fully behind because of the travel distance. You'd think they'd know not to do it by now. Especially since Rain saw mini's army move out with his obs. Such an opportunity missed.


thats why flash is the best protoss lol
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 11:09 GMT
#64
rain baby !!! PvP expert !!!
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 11:10 GMT
#65
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Mini?

Yes (8)
 
53%

If you have time (6)
 
40%

No (1)
 
7%

15 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Mini?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:10 GMT
#66
Mini the Shuttle Destroyer! (he destroys his own shuttles)
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 11:23 GMT
#67
On September 30 2024 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'm never letting simplistik cook again

It's all part of the plan...
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 11:24 GMT
#68
On September 30 2024 20:01 TMNT wrote:
1 year ago he would have just tech'd into storm, expanded the whole map and kept attacking Speed until Terran ran out of steam.

There are only 2 explanations for that build. One is he got cocky and tried to be cute by showcasing every tech Protoss has. The other is he got PTSD of the 5 6 Fac meta so he went for way too many safety measures before Carriers.

I think he got cute. Thought he’d fake out Speed with arb+gateway man then spring the carriers on him. Prob thought Speed was a lot more crippled than he was.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
66 Posts
September 30 2024 11:25 GMT
#69
On September 30 2024 19:50 RowdierBob wrote:
I thought Speed was just playing it out because he might as well. Why you go some weird Arb+ground+carrier build there is beyond me. Just do the Bisu quick ground/arb max out or do the Mini quick carriers and A move to victory. I’d love to know what snows reasoning for doing what he did.

Why SnOw has to play like Bisu or Mini? He was not wrong, just Speed was good at the game. You don't know the strength of combo Arbiter + Carrier

Carriers do so much damages

Arbiter can protect Carriers, and recall to attack and defend everywhere in the map. I think Arbiter + Carrier will be meta in the next SSL.

Remember KSL, every almost lose game, Protoss players just bought some Carriers and came back so easily. With Arbiter, Carriers x2 strength.
His children must be proud of him on what he did on Twitch
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 11:25:27
September 30 2024 11:25 GMT
#70
Speed gonna dominate this I reckon.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 11:29 GMT
#71
On September 30 2024 20:25 SCRVN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 19:50 RowdierBob wrote:
I thought Speed was just playing it out because he might as well. Why you go some weird Arb+ground+carrier build there is beyond me. Just do the Bisu quick ground/arb max out or do the Mini quick carriers and A move to victory. I’d love to know what snows reasoning for doing what he did.

Why SnOw has to play like Bisu or Mini? He was not wrong, just Speed was good at the game. You don't know the strength of combo Arbiter + Carrier

Carriers do so much damages

Arbiter can protect Carriers, and recall to attack and defend everywhere in the map. I think Arbiter + Carrier will be meta in the next SSL.

Remember KSL, every almost lose game, Protoss players just bought some Carriers and came back so easily. With Arbiter, Carriers x2 strength.

I mean, sure if you have a critical mass of carrier. But he went a little bit of everything and ended up with nothing.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:35 GMT
#72
no idea why speed decided to put himself in between 3 control groups of goons but there it is.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 11:38 GMT
#73
If speed scans the carrier switch he’ll have a sick timing here
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 11:40 GMT
#74
Rain looking awesome today.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 11:41:45
September 30 2024 11:41 GMT
#75
speed should really suspect whats up by now. he hasnt seen enough tech/units for the amount of bases rain has. These carriers are gonna hit like a truck since he has 0 gols.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:45 GMT
#76
speed doing his best to keep rain's army occupied so he can't go a big push. Actually working pretty well. Rain can't do quite as much damage with his carriers as he wants because he keeps having to put out fires.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:47 GMT
#77
Rain has a full control group of carriers now though so it's looking extremely grim.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 11:48 GMT
#78
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1?

Yes (9)
 
69%

If you have time (4)
 
31%

No (0)
 
0%

13 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 11:49 GMT
#79
carriers + storm and this is gg!

rain 1-0
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 11:49 GMT
#80
Speed’s multi tasking is crazy good.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8502 Posts
September 30 2024 11:54 GMT
#81
Man, I feel like if Speed wouldn't be massively behind after the early midgame, he would crush these games. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve with that 3 fact push though. That was doomed to fail from the getgo.

Unfortunately the stream is miserable now. Had to reload it like 10 times during this match. I will watch the rest of it later I suppose...

On September 30 2024 20:08 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 20:06 Kaal wrote:
I really would like to know why every protoss tries to drop behind the mineral line and not to the sides or inside it. The scarabs seem to only do damage like 5% of the time when you drop fully behind because of the travel distance. You'd think they'd know not to do it by now. Especially since Rain saw mini's army move out with his obs. Such an opportunity missed.


thats why flash is the best protoss lol


Yeah lol. Flash also knows to target the scvs at the end of the transfer line so the scarab won't be a dud.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:55 GMT
#82
oof. James Probe infiltration complete. That's pretty bad for speed.
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
66 Posts
September 30 2024 11:56 GMT
#83
On September 30 2024 20:29 RowdierBob wrote:
I mean, sure if you have a critical mass of carrier. But he went a little bit of everything and ended up with nothing.

It's a mind game.

SnOw was so smart, he showed off Arbiter, Speed would build so many Turrets in his bases, then SnOw went to Carriers to destroy Speed's army in big combat but Speed scanned in time, so he didn't fall to a trap of SnOw.

To some guys told: A move timing push to win

This is just for noobs to play. When you have advantage in early game, you should extend your advantage more and more. That's way of gosu, SnOw did that in the game.

If you are gosu, you will know what I say!
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 11:59:01
September 30 2024 11:56 GMT
#84
On September 30 2024 20:54 Miragee wrote:
Man, I feel like if Speed wouldn't be massively behind after the early midgame, he would crush these games. I have no idea what he was trying to achieve with that 3 fact push though. That was doomed to fail from the getgo.

Unfortunately the stream is miserable now. Had to reload it like 10 times during this match. I will watch the rest of it later I suppose...

Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 20:08 ggsimida wrote:
On September 30 2024 20:06 Kaal wrote:
I really would like to know why every protoss tries to drop behind the mineral line and not to the sides or inside it. The scarabs seem to only do damage like 5% of the time when you drop fully behind because of the travel distance. You'd think they'd know not to do it by now. Especially since Rain saw mini's army move out with his obs. Such an opportunity missed.


thats why flash is the best protoss lol


Yeah lol. Flash also knows to target the scvs at the end of the transfer line so the scarab won't be a dud.

Agree, Speeds multitask and decision making is very good in the later game. But he keeps giving up these huge early leads then trying to get back into it.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 11:58 GMT
#85
Rain's extremely clean mine clearing is saving his ass right now. Very well microed.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 12:01 GMT
#86
Rain so ready for drops lol had all his goons standing by. Not looking good for speed.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 12:03 GMT
#87
Rain attacked to stop the tank buildup but he didn't execute the zealot drops well and it went bad.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 12:06:21
September 30 2024 12:05 GMT
#88
very nice storms from rain to clean up the push against his mineral only/production for now but his inability to take his 3rd earlier is biting him in the ass right now. He was slow on tech so he's having a tough time holding against the slow push from speed's position.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:09 GMT
#89
Rain did a great job keeping Speed's tank count as close to 0 as possible the whole match
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 12:10:07
September 30 2024 12:09 GMT
#90
constantly making sure there's no tank buildup lets Rain's earlier econ advantage win out and he manages to roll over speed's army for the win. Snow take notes!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:09 GMT
#91
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2?

Yes (11)
 
92%

If you have time (1)
 
8%

No (0)
 
0%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game Set 2?

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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 12:10 GMT
#92
Beautiful from Rain.

Def believing in the Speed hype though. He’s good.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 12:21 GMT
#93
So, Rain is through?
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:23 GMT
#94
On September 30 2024 21:21 Simplistik wrote:
So, Rain is through?


yep, better hope snow wins this and gets revenge on speed or we're just bums.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 30 2024 12:24 GMT
#95
On September 30 2024 19:13 PVJ wrote:
Snow - Mini to go through. Pl-ea-se!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Rain meets Speed I think he will be eliminated. His tournament vT is like 37%?

I think Snow is still too different from Best that Speed can pick it up.

Speed said he _wanted_ a rematch against Snow in the group selection, so it is on him to come up with a glowing, hot, shining protoss-beating strategy.


I can't fucking believe how hard I got proven false
The heart's eternal vow
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 12:32 GMT
#96
Mini what the FUCK was that?!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:33 GMT
#97
mini , what are you doing ??!?
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
September 30 2024 12:33 GMT
#98
Mini trying to push to hard and loses everything
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 12:33 GMT
#99
Mini what the hell
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 12:34 GMT
#100
I just really hope that we will have two protoss players advancing from this group in the end.. Come on, guys.

It's fall after all, damn it!
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:35 GMT
#101
maybe a comeback ?!?!
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 12:35:42
September 30 2024 12:35 GMT
#102
Omg and now Snow choking. Wtf happening with these two
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 12:36:48
September 30 2024 12:35 GMT
#103
This is hard to watch..

wtf -.-
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:35 GMT
#104
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 1?

Yes (7)
 
58%

No (3)
 
25%

If you have time (2)
 
17%

12 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:35 GMT
#105
nooo ... meh

snow 1 - mini 0
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:36 GMT
#106
On September 30 2024 21:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Omg and now Snow choking. Wtf happening with these two

hahaha

they are both losing
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:36 GMT
#107
On September 30 2024 21:35 RowdierBob wrote:
Omg and now Snow choking. Wtf happening with these two


nothing wrong in mini choking.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 12:36 GMT
#108
This is a rough group for poor Mini. Having to play Rain Snow back to back PvP is tough.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
September 30 2024 12:37 GMT
#109
On September 30 2024 21:34 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
I just really hope that we will have two protoss players advancing from this group in the end.. Come on, guys.

It's fall after all, damn it!
Does either of these protoss deserve to go through tho?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 12:39 GMT
#110
snow with the ol fuck this im cheesing your ass.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:40 GMT
#111
i don't think this will work
i really believe in mini's early game !!!!
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 12:40 GMT
#112
minis fucking dead lmao
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:41 GMT
#113
On September 30 2024 21:40 prosatan wrote:
i don't think this will work
i really believe in mini's early game !!!!

yes.. i am an idiot
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 12:42 GMT
#114
poor mini

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 12:42 GMT
#115
Really interesting Snow v Speed series coming up. Speed looking good today and Snow looks a tad shaky tbh.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
September 30 2024 12:43 GMT
#116
Mini was very annoyed by getting in group c. He was right to be because he got in his own way of advancing. This 2-0 was as much his loss as Snow's win, imho
The heart's eternal vow
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 12:44 GMT
#117
Revenge time.

Hopefully..
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 12:51 GMT
#118
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

No (6)
 
67%

Yes (3)
 
33%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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Teacher-X17
Profile Joined August 2024
17 Posts
September 30 2024 12:52 GMT
#119
Can you imagine what an active Rain could do?

I have no doubt that he's taking it seriously and he's still somehow putting some work in but it's also well-known that he's far from being the most active player.

I'm surprised on how Rain made it look easy. I actually had him finish either 3rd or 4th in this group so that's a surprise for me.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Speed advance but I think SnOw's experience will help him go through. If this series is similar to their first game then we're in for a treat boys!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:01 GMT
#120
I don't think speed did enough damage there.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:03 GMT
#121
Shouldve kept his units together he couldve pushed into the nat and kept the reaver off of him with the marines.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:10 GMT
#122
good storms so far from snow
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:12 GMT
#123
Clutch timing from snow managed to get a bunch of tanks for free
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:14 GMT
#124
the defense you can pull with just 2 dts and 2 reavers.

downhill too.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:17 GMT
#125
snow starving for gas cuz all the nexus he built have no refineries.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 13:21:11
September 30 2024 13:20 GMT
#126
looking quite dire for speed. he doesn't really have map control despite how spread he is. everything is paper thin.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:21 GMT
#127
speed is almost broke
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:22 GMT
#128
but that consistent 450 APM does let Speed be an absolute terrorist, its like watching fantasy.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 13:23 GMT
#129
On September 30 2024 22:22 BLinD-RawR wrote:
but that consistent 450 APM does let Speed be an absolute terrorist, its like watching fantasy.

100% my thoughts also !!
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:23 GMT
#130
snow has 200 supply for like 10 minutes and it feels like he has fucking nothing cuz hes running aorund chasing speeds shit. but now speed has nothing cuz everything melted to storm lol
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:23 GMT
#131
Perfect storms from snow but this push is far from over and speed can still win from here
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:25 GMT
#132
Snow really needs to just counter and melt that 6 oclock base.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:27 GMT
#133
On September 30 2024 22:25 Kaal wrote:
Snow really needs to just counter and melt that 6 oclock base.


he just doesn't have the army count, good storms though.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 13:29:05
September 30 2024 13:28 GMT
#134

reavers gonna stop that 1 oclock from mining at all while snow keeps whittling at speed's army.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:29 GMT
#135
What a game 1
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 13:29 GMT
#136
Fantastic game !!!!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:29 GMT
#137
Poll: Recommend Final Game Set 1?

Yes (27)
 
96%

If you have time (1)
 
4%

No (0)
 
0%

28 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game Set 1?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 13:30 GMT
#138
That was insanely tense.

Sick game.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
September 30 2024 13:30 GMT
#139
Regardless of who wins this I'm kind of a fan of speed. These games have been great to watch
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
SwordM13X24
Profile Joined July 2010
United States190 Posts
September 30 2024 13:30 GMT
#140
Speed's will to live was admirable.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:30 GMT
#141
Speed fighting hard every game just making some small mistakes at key points that keep putting him at the back foot from the early game. If he can just keep a neutral or advantaged early game I believe he can win.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 13:30 GMT
#142
Some epic games. Awesome! That's what we want from the SSL!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 13:31 GMT
#143
What a game. The value Speed gets from his vultures is insane.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:32 GMT
#144
white guy spotted!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:38 GMT
#145
I respect how afraid someone would have to be against snow to play a turret on that spot.
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:40 GMT
#146
Speed killing a LOT of probes.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:42 GMT
#147
I don't think that was worth losing all your tanks
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7986 Posts
September 30 2024 13:43 GMT
#148
we have a match ! 1-1 ! go speed !!!
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:44 GMT
#149
extremely well played by speed. Pretty much killed all of Snow's mining in that attack and didn't let up with the vults afterward.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 13:44 GMT
#150
Poll: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

Yes (14)
 
82%

No (2)
 
12%

If you have time (1)
 
6%

17 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Losers' Game Set 2?

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(Vote): No
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Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 13:46:52
September 30 2024 13:44 GMT
#151
That was disgusting.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 13:44 GMT
#152
Speed got this. Snow looks broken.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 13:45 GMT
#153
Speed is pretty scary.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 13:46 GMT
#154
Can’t remember Snow looking this shaky vs a Terran since flash. He can’t keep up when Speed is all over the map.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 13:47 GMT
#155
Snow is looking pretty awful today.

Tbh I don't see him winning last game of this series.. hope I'm wrong.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 13:49 GMT
#156
On September 30 2024 22:47 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Snow is looking pretty awful today.

Tbh I don't see him winning last game of this series.. hope I'm wrong.

Nice reverse commentators curse.

No way Snow can win this!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
Teacher-X17
Profile Joined August 2024
17 Posts
September 30 2024 13:49 GMT
#157
Will SnOw's experience make the difference in this final match?

I love how their styles match with each other. Would love to see a BO7 between them. Speed is playing out of his mind, and I'm loving it.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 13:50 GMT
#158
On September 30 2024 22:49 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 22:47 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Snow is looking pretty awful today.

Tbh I don't see him winning last game of this series.. hope I'm wrong.

Nice reverse commentators curse.

No way Snow can win this!

I think Meta is right. Unless Snow gets a decent early advantage, Speed looks better in the mid and late game.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 13:59 GMT
#159
Speed's vulture control is so good.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:00 GMT
#160
for the first time in the series, snow looked like he had enough to defend an attack
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Profile Joined September 2022
68 Posts
September 30 2024 14:00 GMT
#161
Feels like Speed is overpressing
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:00 GMT
#162
but once again he just can't handle the vultures as well
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 14:00 GMT
#163
Snow finally decides to simcity to stop vults from devouring his probes.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:02 GMT
#164
Gonna be tough for Snow to win.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:03 GMT
#165
snow is not fucking around with those vultures anymore
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:03 GMT
#166
Snow with the desperation carriers now.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 14:05:26
September 30 2024 14:05 GMT
#167
damn the shuttle/reaver micro at that centre engagement was sick
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:06 GMT
#168
On September 30 2024 23:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Snow with the desperation carriers now.

nothing desperate about them, this is a carrier map.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:06 GMT
#169
Mank, I can't deal with another heart attack. I gotta stop watching this live...
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:06 GMT
#170
snow's reavers catching some free tanks
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:06 GMT
#171
6 carriers now
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 14:06 GMT
#172
On September 30 2024 23:03 RowdierBob wrote:
Snow with the desperation carriers now.


What blindrawr said. All these HBR-like 2p maps are carrier central.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:08 GMT
#173
absolutely no goliaths in that army, speed lost a lot for nothing there.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 14:08 GMT
#174
On September 30 2024 23:06 Simplistik wrote:
Mank, I can't deal with another heart attack. I gotta stop watching this live...

lol.. Same.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:09 GMT
#175
The reports of Snows death have been greatly exaggerated.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:09 GMT
#176
that was stupid close

gg
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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
September 30 2024 14:09 GMT
#177
rip speed he played he fuckin heart out.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:09 GMT
#178
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:10 GMT
#179
Speed had that. Just got caught out with that one horrible engagement and it’s gg.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21647 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-30 14:10:19
September 30 2024 14:10 GMT
#180
Feels like after losing his army Speed was so focussed on trying to rebuilt he forgot about the likely incoming Carriers
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:10 GMT
#181
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:11 GMT
#182
All the love to speed, felt like watching Fantasy play high level TvP.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:11 GMT
#183
On September 30 2024 23:09 Kaal wrote:
rip speed he played he fuckin heart out.

Speed was good. I hope he'll be back.

But, for now...

[image loading]

Let's enjoy some nice autumn leaves.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 14:11 GMT
#184
On September 30 2024 22:47 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Snow is looking pretty awful today.

Tbh I don't see him winning last game of this series.. hope I'm wrong.

Very, VERY glad to be wrong.

This was way too close for comfort.. geez.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 14:12 GMT
#185
On September 30 2024 23:11 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:09 Kaal wrote:
rip speed he played he fuckin heart out.

Speed was good. I hope he'll be back.

But, for now...

[image loading]

Let's enjoy some nice autumn leaves.

GGs!
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:13 GMT
#186
This was all part of Snow's plan, ehem, to avoid herO and Barracks, I guess?!
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:13 GMT
#187
Can anyone translate Snows interview?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:14 GMT
#188
The groups have been quite long so far. And we've still got another TvT-fest to go.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
September 30 2024 14:14 GMT
#189
so far all of speeds games have been the most exciting of this ssl.
JDON MY SOUL!
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:15 GMT
#190
On September 30 2024 23:13 RowdierBob wrote:
Can anyone translate Snows interview?

The tastosis cast (probably out in 2-3 days) include translated interviews.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13004 Posts
September 30 2024 14:15 GMT
#191
Speed is awesome. His play style forces constant action with his vulture play and army movement. Once he starts making better decisions he’s going to win one of these big tournies. He really stressed snow.
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:16 GMT
#192
On September 30 2024 23:14 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
so far all of speeds games have been the most exciting of this ssl.

Very true, all his games have been fun.
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:21 GMT
#193
today's broadcast went long, tomorrow's might go even longer
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
September 30 2024 14:41 GMT
#194
What an amazing group
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2005 Posts
September 30 2024 14:43 GMT
#195
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?
Dear BW Gods, I know it's not autumn (in the Northern hemisphere), but please have mercy on Protoss.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50117 Posts
September 30 2024 14:52 GMT
#196
On September 30 2024 23:43 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?


Speed played like a guy who knew he was mechanically better, this was a test of his decision-making and decisiveness, that only comes from experience.
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4182 Posts
September 30 2024 15:12 GMT
#197
On September 30 2024 23:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
today's broadcast went long, tomorrow's might go even longer

sounds good!
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
September 30 2024 15:42 GMT
#198
On September 30 2024 23:43 Simplistik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?


Snow is the soulkey of protoss, in that he can play extremely well from behind and somehow willpower his way to victory with amazing micro, great awareness and really good choices. Its like how SnOw almost beat Soulkey on Blitz while playing from behind last semi-finals. SnOw is championship material and Speed is not quite there yet. Speed overpressed, and while his vulture play facilitated by his crazy high apm and multitasking is awesome when it works, when it doesn't that's a lot of supply not achieving much and not being added to his ball of death.
JDON MY SOUL!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10148 Posts
September 30 2024 16:16 GMT
#199
On October 01 2024 00:42 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:43 Simplistik wrote:
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?


Snow is the soulkey of protoss, in that he can play extremely well from behind and somehow willpower his way to victory with amazing micro, great awareness and really good choices. Its like how SnOw almost beat Soulkey on Blitz while playing from behind last semi-finals. SnOw is championship material and Speed is not quite there yet. Speed overpressed, and while his vulture play facilitated by his crazy high apm and multitasking is awesome when it works, when it doesn't that's a lot of supply not achieving much and not being added to his ball of death.

Speed's TvP seems to favor a more late game style with using vulture harass to free up supply for a bigger tank count for when he does make the push, compared to some other Terrans who prefer to push as fast as possible once maxed and good upgrades.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10148 Posts
September 30 2024 16:18 GMT
#200
On September 30 2024 16:21 Peeano wrote:
Just imagine Speed and Rain advancing for a moment. Lmao

The man almost called it perfectly.
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cheesehuehue
Profile Joined March 2024
Vatican City State90 Posts
September 30 2024 17:59 GMT
#201
On October 01 2024 00:42 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2024 23:43 Simplistik wrote:
On September 30 2024 23:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
If it weren't for that final game where snow did in fact pull himself together, I would have said Snow didn't win this series, he survived it.

actually I'll still say that, Snow really got exposed by Speed there.

I think that's only fair if we don't think Speed actually played well...
Did he?


Snow is the soulkey of protoss, in that he can play extremely well from behind and somehow willpower his way to victory with amazing micro, great awareness and really good choices. Its like how SnOw almost beat Soulkey on Blitz while playing from behind last semi-finals. SnOw is championship material and Speed is not quite there yet. Speed overpressed, and while his vulture play facilitated by his crazy high apm and multitasking is awesome when it works, when it doesn't that's a lot of supply not achieving much and not being added to his ball of death.


Hard disagree. Soulkey is much, much more creative than snow. Snow excels at micro, but not at strategy, where soulkey sets himself apart from other top Zergs (besides his well-known godly macro). Also, Blitz Y is heavily protoss-favored, so if anything, that match with Soulkey proved how Soulkey was able to beat Snow even when in disadvantage.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic931 Posts
September 30 2024 19:57 GMT
#202
WOW... Speed has lost today, but won my heart! Really, that was absolutely a bliss to watch and enjoy. It was kinda like watching a terran version of Bisu. What a play and multitasking! If he keeps his calm and get more experienced, this guy can win the whole thing in times to come.
never too old for starcraft :)
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10148 Posts
September 30 2024 21:39 GMT
#203
On October 01 2024 04:57 Destroyer wrote:
WOW... Speed has lost today, but won my heart! Really, that was absolutely a bliss to watch and enjoy. It was kinda like watching a terran version of Bisu. What a play and multitasking! If he keeps his calm and get more experienced, this guy can win the whole thing in times to come.

His vulture control and style most reminds me of Fantasy, lots of vulture harass, concept of trading vultures for economic damage while allowing Terran to secure more map vision and control to safely expand while building deathball.
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4986 Posts
September 30 2024 22:02 GMT
#204
Jesus. I knew Snow n Mini both advancing was the dream, but goddamnnnnnnnnnnnn... ALMOST Rain and Speed. Rain advancing first, aaaaaah, this looks bad on me
FBH #1!
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13974 Posts
October 01 2024 01:36 GMT
#205
On October 01 2024 07:02 Peeano wrote:
Jesus. I knew Snow n Mini both advancing was the dream, but goddamnnnnnnnnnnnn... ALMOST Rain and Speed. Rain advancing first, aaaaaah, this looks bad on me

I was semi-expecting a snow choke...but to Mini...to go this toe to toe vs speed is troublesome...

Honestly if they face off, I can see Barracks beating Snow in the playoffs
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-01 02:51:00
October 01 2024 02:46 GMT
#206
The meta shift in TvP, coincided with Flash return on the ladder, plus the Terran favored map pool, has seen significant changes in the win rate of the match up recently .

Normally (as in 1-2 years up to mid 2024) Light was the only one with a positive win rate for Terran against the top 4 Protoss, while Snow dominated almost everybody with absurd win rate. But since August, Snow has only 30% win rate vs Light (used to be 50-55%), 40% vs Royal (used to be 65-70%) and 50% vs Barracks (used to be 80-90%). Doesn't help that he has been off form himself for months now. I think it's even worse for Best and Mini. Currently Protoss can't cope with Terran's 5-6 Fact meta.

So yeah, one year ago you'd bet your house on Snow beating Barracks in a Bo7 (9-0'd him a couple of times) but this season it's 50/50. And if he gets Light /Royal he's not even favourite.
CHEONSOYUN
Profile Joined August 2017
518 Posts
October 01 2024 03:11 GMT
#207
some of the best starcraft ever.

every player played so well

+ Show Spoiler +
except mini
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femtehjulet
Profile Joined October 2018
17 Posts
October 01 2024 06:36 GMT
#208
Funny how easy Rain made it look vs Speed considering Snows struggle.
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
October 01 2024 06:57 GMT
#209
LB secured! Rain played surprisingly well vs Speed, especially with how crazy Speed was playing vs Snow. I thought Rain would just rely on his PvP to get out of the group, but maybe he wasn't kidding in the group selection about renouncing LoL.

Speed brought out some GREAT TvPs, really rooting for him in future ASLs/SSLs.

Mini barely got to play, he lost the BO match ups which seems super harsh in PvP. Hope he doesn't beat himself up too much but it certainly was a hard group for any P.
HOLYBATS
Profile Joined August 2021
Turkey726 Posts
October 01 2024 07:03 GMT
#210
Quick notes from yesterday.
1)Rain kept his word from group selection ceremony that he will delete all other games and focus on BW.
2)SnOw made a great job with winning the final game.As he is 2-2 with speed totally.
3)Along with Barracks Speed seems exceeds expectations.
4)Mini does not seem interested ASL. He did not even prepare one game.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7801 Posts
October 01 2024 07:35 GMT
#211
Man Speed was playing out of his mind! I am glad Snow advanced but sad for Speed.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
October 01 2024 08:21 GMT
#212
On October 01 2024 11:46 TMNT wrote:
The meta shift in TvP, coincided with Flash return on the ladder, plus the Terran favored map pool, has seen significant changes in the win rate of the match up recently .

Normally (as in 1-2 years up to mid 2024) Light was the only one with a positive win rate for Terran against the top 4 Protoss, while Snow dominated almost everybody with absurd win rate. But since August, Snow has only 30% win rate vs Light (used to be 50-55%), 40% vs Royal (used to be 65-70%) and 50% vs Barracks (used to be 80-90%). Doesn't help that he has been off form himself for months now. I think it's even worse for Best and Mini. Currently Protoss can't cope with Terran's 5-6 Fact meta.

So yeah, one year ago you'd bet your house on Snow beating Barracks in a Bo7 (9-0'd him a couple of times) but this season it's 50/50. And if he gets Light /Royal he's not even favourite.

What changed actually?
Is it a map factor? Where fast carriers became more punishable?
Oppa feeding style
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
October 01 2024 09:19 GMT
#213
I loved Speed's games. I cannot recall a terran engaging in multiple small engagements like that. The way he was able to trade well with small quantities was phenomenal. The only trouble for him was that snow is also a master of small engagements. I think he just needs to get a bit better with his choices of how to split off units. A few times I saw him split off some tanks to harass a 'not important target' and then really miss them when the real engagement happened.

Just when Barracks was becoming my favourite terran...
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2840 Posts
October 01 2024 15:27 GMT
#214
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
October 01 2024 18:15 GMT
#215
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
2840 Posts
October 02 2024 02:07 GMT
#216
On October 02 2024 03:15 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.


This I need to see.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 15:30:21
October 02 2024 15:25 GMT
#217
On October 02 2024 11:07 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2024 03:15 TMNT wrote:
On October 02 2024 00:27 RogerChillingworth wrote:
Oh what a bad day to be a Mini fan. I was in a fetal position for hours. Just now recovering.

But SPEED! Speed is my new favorite Terran. Dude legit deserved a Ro8 this season. WOW.

Funny that when Mini offraces Terran he plays like Speed.


This I need to see.



+ Show Spoiler +
Royal starts with a 12 Nexus unharmed but spends the mid game chasing Vultures, allowing Mini to have total map control, be able to greed with early third, and come back from the opening deficit.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden515 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 17:14:12
October 02 2024 17:10 GMT
#218
Speed, just wow.... Best and most entertaining TvP i've seen since Flash was in his peak.
Artas1984
Profile Joined August 2018
Lithuania119 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-02 18:59:33
October 02 2024 18:57 GMT
#219
I've been warming the bucket for a while now!

[image loading]
Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria366 Posts
October 03 2024 18:16 GMT
#220
Speed played the most interesting games out of all this SoopSL.
Shame about Snow advancing.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44110 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-04 05:24:27
October 04 2024 05:24 GMT
#221
Too bad speed didnt make it but his games looks super fun
this is a quote
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
October 08 2024 14:17 GMT
#222
Speed was easy to root for. Looking forward to him improving his game.

Agree that the vulture style is very Fantasy-esque. Its very entertaining but I'm still not sure it's long term viable. Same with starport and dropship plays.

What I really like is the aggression. I want to see more early 3-4 factory plays.
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2659 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-10-08 14:58:35
October 08 2024 14:57 GMT
#223
On October 08 2024 23:17 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
Speed was easy to root for. Looking forward to him improving his game.

Agree that the vulture style is very Fantasy-esque. Its very entertaining but I'm still not sure it's long term viable. Same with starport and dropship plays.

What I really like is the aggression. I want to see more early 3-4 factory plays.

You're right in doubting it. Speed style is indeed cool and gives us exciting game, but what most people don't seem to notice is that in most of the games he basically went for a semi all-in type of build, totally ignoring the possibility of DT - which in this case is reasonable since Snow very rarely goes DT. Also when others start to notice his style, like Sharp, it'll become more difficult to execute it because they know what to expect from him.
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