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 Come on JAEDONG !!!!!!!!!!  | ||
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Bisu 2-1 BarrackS 1-2 herO 0-2 | ||
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Hero > Rax JD > Bisu JD > hero Bisu > Rax Bisu > hero. | ||
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Hopefully he advances | ||
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On September 24 2024 19:46 RowdierBob wrote: I reckon JD goes the aggressive route here for a quick kill. Mass ling or hydra timing. I full expect a hydra timing attack. Let's see if Bisu plays his usual zealot pressure... | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2024 20:36 RowdierBob wrote: Bisu playing like it’s his first ASL -_- Bisu is playing like he's Bisu in 2024. | ||
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Stork was DQ'ed for using it but that was WCG, they had different rules. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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I would not be surprised if it comes out that Flash has been coaching him. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On September 24 2024 20:43 BLinD-RawR wrote: Bisu is playing like he's Bisu in 2024. Nah he made a lot of rookie mistakes this game. Looked really unprepared for a PvT tbh. | ||
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Kaal
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On September 24 2024 20:44 maybe wrote: That observer over turret bug is allowed though right? Stork was DQ'ed for using it but that was WCG, they had different rules. Should be because it's easily fixed by pressing stop on the turret and then attack. Unless that was changed in remastered? | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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ngl that was totally unexpected by me GGs WP, I guess | ||
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RowdierBob
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On September 24 2024 21:25 ggsimida wrote: bisu bucket soon? It’s inevitable. | ||
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Expensive-Law-9830
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M3t4PhYzX
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On September 24 2024 21:33 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote: Guess we may only have 1 zerg left one can only hope.. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Bisu beating hero wasn't a easy thing back when bisu was at his peak. hero will go through | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On September 24 2024 21:53 BLinD-RawR wrote: Bisu beating hero wasn't a easy thing back when bisu was at his peak. hero will go through yeah, I know I'm just coping basically the gif i've posted earlier just x2  | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2024 21:54 RowdierBob wrote: Time to get your buckets out. This used to mean something, now that bucket is permanently overflowing. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On September 24 2024 21:57 BLinD-RawR wrote: This used to mean something, now that bucket is permanently overflowing. At least the fans still have some tears to give all these years later. They’re eternally optimistic. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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On September 24 2024 22:07 RowdierBob wrote: Did I pull the bucket too soon?! Or classic false hope? hero just likes to play with his food would be my guess | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2024 22:07 RowdierBob wrote: Did I pull the bucket too soon?! Or classic false hope? I might have to fight those bisu fans again with the stuff I said like the good old days. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On September 24 2024 22:24 RowdierBob wrote: I mean, hero can’t really lose from here can he? its bw, anyone can throw at any point. he shouldn't though. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 24 2024 22:33 RowdierBob wrote: Poor Bisu. He kinda looks like ro16 might be his ceiling. Just doesn’t look on par with the top level guys atm. That is not true. Bisu has always been 60% vs Hero last year and this year. It just doesn't manifest in a Bo3. And probably in a tournament setting where Zerg tend to have the upper hand against Protoss with their early shenanigans. Like we saw in the last game it was one misclick or something that let the zerglings slip in that totally changed the fate of the game. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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hero is one of the best booth players right now. | ||
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TMNT
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Mind that Bisu is not exactly the opposite. He's been always like 50 +/- 5% against everyone (maybe except for the top 3) which means he's always at the top level, just not dominating or being dominated by anyone. Barracks has come a long way. Last year he was regularly getting steamrolled 0-9 by Snow but the last 2 months he's been 50/50 vs the best PvT player. | ||
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prosatan
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On September 25 2024 01:47 TornadoSteve wrote: Tbf barracks fully deserves to be in RO8. If there is one guy who kept improving for the last 2 years or so, its him. A lot of practice, and slowly but surely reached the top of the mountain. However, i think thats where his journey will last, at least for this tournament. I dont see him winning a series against Rush, can't wait to see his 2 other potential opponents. agree... don't forget speed .. | ||
BisuDagger
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If Speed wins next week, I expect the Terran OP balance whine to reach an all time high. | ||
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TMNT
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That said his weakest matchup is TvT so... | ||
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TornadoSteve
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On September 25 2024 02:56 BisuDagger wrote: I wrote that I was predicting Bisu and Jaedong to lose in the staff discord chat. I talked myself out of it given Barrack's history. I should have stuck with my guns and gone with my original predictions lol. If Speed wins next week, I expect the Terran OP balance whine to reach an all time high. Speed has the highest % of winning group C in my opinion. I know it sound silly, but i would say he has a 30% of advancing. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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Ah well. Barracks played super well. Hero got mighty lucky against JD but he still deserved to advance today. | ||
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Teacher-X17
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He's one of the streamers I watch the most, and he's been doing really well over the past few months. I honestly think this is his season to shine. He’s had a few hiccups, but overall, he’s been consistent and solid. I'm rooting for him. He’s one of the few at that level who consistently puts in the work. My two dark horses for this season are him and Stork. I think both have been doing amazing recently, but unfortunately, they don’t get the credit they deserve for whatever reason. | ||
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Teacher-X17
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On September 24 2024 23:54 BLinD-RawR wrote: Bisu plays better at home than in a booth. hero is one of the best booth players right now. Similar to Snow. Both of them for some reason can't seem to achieve the same kind of success offline that they do online. I was actually similar back when I was active. I was tearing sh*t up online and as soon as I went to the WCG qualifications I totally blew it because of the pressure lol. Playing offline is a real thing.The pressure is different. | ||
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CicadaSC
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On September 24 2024 23:14 HOLYBATS wrote: Bisu should win against Barracks. Bisu vs herO is a coin flip. Congrats herO! barracks is criminally underrated and he is showing that this season. stellar performance so far. Hasnt dropped a map and topped his ro24 and ro16 group. | ||
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Gescom
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Lazyer
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Bisu got absolutely stomped by Barracks, but the PvZs weren't what I thought they were either. Hero is just too good lol. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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On September 25 2024 05:59 CicadaSC wrote: barracks is criminally underrated and he is showing that this season. stellar performance so far. Hasnt dropped a map and topped his ro24 and ro16 group. It is good for BW young players step up and shine. I hope he can continue with R8. | ||
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TMNT
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On September 25 2024 13:10 HOLYBATS wrote: It is good for BW young players step up and shine. I hope he can continue with R8. Barracks is actually not young. He's just 1 year younger than JD and Hero. And he's older than Flash, Last, Mong, Sharp, JYJ, Speed, Royal etc. In fact the only notable Terrans who are older than him are Light, Sea (1y) and sSak (2y). | ||
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CicadaSC
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On September 25 2024 12:37 Lazyer wrote: I should have more faith in being a Barracks fanboy, once this dude stopped doing silly all-in builds he's actually been killing it! Definitely deserves everything that happened today. Bisu got absolutely stomped by Barracks, but the PvZs weren't what I thought they were either. Hero is just too good lol. uhh... what do you mean stopped?  game 1 vs bisu was 2 fac 1 base all in (cross spawn lol) and game 2 was a 2 base all in. | ||
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HOLYBATS
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On September 25 2024 16:17 TMNT wrote: Barracks is actually not young. He's just 1 year younger than JD and Hero. And he's older than Flash, Last, Mong, Sharp, JYJ, Speed, Royal etc. In fact the only notable Terrans who are older than him are Light, Sea (1y) and sSak (2y). Damn he looks 10 years younger than herO lol | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 25 2024 19:40 LML wrote: The OP always has a spoiler for the final results, but seems to never get filled in? Man i remember the good old days that i was at school and couldnt check streams cuz internet was shit but it was good enough to check the results in the first page. Now you are forced to go to liquipedia if you wanna see the scores. | ||
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Lazyer
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On September 25 2024 16:17 CicadaSC wrote: uhh... what do you mean stopped? game 1 vs bisu was 2 fac 1 base all in (cross spawn lol) and game 2 was a 2 base all in. Lol not wrong, I would say it's an improvement of his BBS's | ||
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BisuDagger
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On September 26 2024 02:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Man i remember the good old days that i was at school and couldnt check streams cuz internet was shit but it was good enough to check the results in the first page. Now you are forced to go to liquipedia if you wanna see the scores. You made some comments on stream about prime Jaedong just not being good enough for the way today's games are being played. Would you say the same thing about a Bisu in his prime? Some personal thoughts: I think SKT broke Bisu's killer mindset that he had at MBCGame. His abilities in individual tournaments got torched when he joined that team. I think he'd be the closest to bonjwa status as Protoss if he never switched teams. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[QUOTE]On September 26 2024 02:02 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: [QUOTE]On September 25 2024 19:40 LML wrote: The OP always has a spoiler for the final results, but seems to never get filled in?[/QUOTE] Man i remember the good old days that i was at school and couldnt check streams cuz internet was shit but it was good enough to check the results in the first page. Now you are forced to go to liquipedia if you wanna see the scores.[/QUOTE] You made some comments on stream about prime Jaedong just not being good enough for the way today's games are being played. Would you say the same thing about a Bisu in his prime? Some personal thoughts: I think SKT broke Bisu's killer mindset that he had at MBCGame. I dont agree with SKT being the issue.More like he won 3 MSL and his individual hunger was already filled. Bisu was paid a really high salary thanks to team performance and he was doing really well there. Post Kespa career Bisu Won THE SSL vs hero and made it to the final one more time losing it to hero and then loss a final to Effort. I think his desire to win another tournament was also filled. But he understand his fans want to see him competing in ASL so he continues doing so. And im pretty sure his biggest motivation to do well right now is in the daily proleagues where the earnings are insane compared to the ASL. That said this season Bisu was in a really good shape. He even beat Soulkey offline.It is a shame he didnt advance from this group :/ Im not sure Prime Bisu would be dominating terrans in this era (Specially cuz of modern maps that just allow terrans for safe 4 bases setup and easy wall mechanics.) but his pvp for sure could benefit a lot and his pvz will still be incredible as it is right now lets be honest. I also think back then Bisu was playing so much offline. MSL OSL Proleague etc. Almost every week Bisu was playing offline so it was for him being in comfort zone all the time. Now he just plays offline from time to time. | ||
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Vasoline73
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On September 25 2024 19:40 LML wrote: The OP always has a spoiler for the final results, but seems to never get filled in? I also have this issue. Results are blank in OPs consistently. | ||
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Navane
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BisuDagger
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On September 27 2024 02:11 Navane wrote: Has bisu never played that last map before? Why did he never park one ctrl group of units on that high ground square before his fourth? How did he not know lurkers were between his army and his third? Come on. On the other hand that map is absurd to play PvZ on… | ||
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ThunderJunk
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I'm pretty sure Hero was using the crowd to suss out Bisu's build order. They need to do something to the way the booths are set up to prevent that in the future. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On September 27 2024 05:15 Peeano wrote: Agree, maybe booths will finally make their return if SPL lifts off. It's crazy how they haven't yet. Budget really must be tight. That is not something used on esports anymore. And even back then on SPL progamers were looking at the public face reactions to get intel LOL. | ||
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Ideas
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On September 27 2024 06:07 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: That is not something used on esports anymore. And even back then on SPL progamers were looking at the public face reactions to get intel LOL. I'm pretty sure this wasn't really the case at all (I remember one time people thought leta was cheating by looking at crowd but it was confirmed later to be false)? Also easily fixed but turning the booths 180 from crowd lol | ||
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qet
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On September 28 2024 16:19 Artas1984 wrote: Boy was i stupid to have delayed the watching of this group's final matches on this saturday morning - ruined my weekend start for sure. What a bad idea was it to place two legends in the same group so early just for the sake of placing them and having them wiped out, even if Bisu ''was not supposed'' to loose to Barracks of all people. In the RO16 placement - Barracks picked JyJ for group B. JyJ picked Bisu Then Soulkey used his champions privilege to move Jaedong out of his group, and let Sea decide who. Sea swapped Jaedong with JyJ - that's how Jaedong and Bisu were both placed into Group B Bisu and Jaedong are well past their prime. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have them both in the same group. If they were so good, then at least one of them would have made it out, but they did not. Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The "good" players are the ones who are seeded from last year's top 4, and they are guaranteed to be in different groups. | ||
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Miragee
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On September 24 2024 22:44 TMNT wrote: That is not true. Bisu has always been 60% vs Hero last year and this year. It just doesn't manifest in a Bo3. And probably in a tournament setting where Zerg tend to have the upper hand against Protoss with their early shenanigans. Like we saw in the last game it was one misclick or something that let the zerglings slip in that totally changed the fate of the game. Yeah, it was so painful to see the missclick when he moved the probes. After the lings got in, the match was literally over. In my mind it's amazing Bisu even made it to the later stages in that game. Yes, he messed up later on but he was also so far behind for long stretches of the game and I also think the map looks pretty hard for P in PvZ beyond 2 bases. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
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On September 28 2024 21:15 qet wrote: In the RO16 placement - Barracks picked JyJ for group B. JyJ picked Bisu Then Soulkey used his champions privilege to move Jaedong out of his group, and let Sea decide who. Sea swapped Jaedong with JyJ - that's how Jaedong and Bisu were both placed into Group B Bisu and Jaedong are well past their prime. I think it's perfectly reasonable to have them both in the same group. If they were so good, then at least one of them would have made it out, but they did not. Past performance is not a reliable indicator of future performance. The "good" players are the ones who are seeded from last year's top 4, and they are guaranteed to be in different groups. I would not say they are past their prime. Bisu still does well in online competition where 99.5% of competition happens. Jaedong his style is just weaker compared to the rest because he isnt as much of a mindgamer as the others. He relies heavily on rather straight forward play where his mechanics and understanding do all the lifting. He rarely tries misdirectional play and his set-ups leading into situations are not as intricate, whereas soulkey will have all his units in perfect locations and have all the mindgames going on all at once. That playstyle is where others grew more and jaedong grew less. | ||
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