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GomTV3 MSL Ro4 - Mind vs. Savior - Page 29

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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
November 08 2007 16:06 GMT
#561
yeah, a third/fourth place victory is totally indicative of failure

what the fuck is wrong with all of you faggots
aaaaa
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
November 08 2007 16:06 GMT
#562
On November 09 2007 00:15 Last Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2007 00:09 himurakenshin wrote:
On November 09 2007 00:02 mdb wrote:
On November 08 2007 23:06 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 08 2007 22:28 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Im just laughing off my ass.. All these hardcore savior fans who said savior is going to be the next Boxer or NaDa .. guys..

Thats exactly why savior and bisu are still lightyears away from gamers like naDa and boxer in terms of success and pure force.. For sure right now nada is a shadow of himself..
but just see how fast savior simply begins to not win anymore..

Lets see how long bisu can be the dominant force..
gonna take a while for him to be around at the top as long as the true legend ( nada,boxer,oov )

Savior\'s there already. None of those players you listed dominated for a period longer than Savior has. He dominated for two years and has 4 major titles. That\'s more than Boxer and one less than oov, and his came in an era of higher overall level of competition. As much as I respect Nada\'s achievements, his 3 MSL victories are not nearly as impressive as Savior\'s 3.

Bisu I agree is not there yet, but \"lightyears away\" is an overstatement.

I hate arguing with fanboys, becouse I consifer myself one, but. Saying that Savior dominated for 2 years is a little bit too much.You could say that he dominated MSL,thats correct, but if my memory is correct a the time Savior was winning pringles, other guys were winning OSLs. Casy and Nada I think. Thats not a domination IMO. A bit later he was really domimant for several months, but two years is a bit too much.


Exactly. When savior was IPX nobody really took notice of him even, it was only when he beat Boxer 3-0 in the superfight that people started to take notice of me. Plus an MSL win is not a major title, it is a minor title. Especially in Korea, an OSL win is worth far more than an MSL win. It's much easier to be eliminated in the OSL compared to the MSL (double elimination). MSL has second chances, the OSL doesn't. Its evident that its much harder to dominate in the OSL because so few players have one multiple titles, and only Boxer has won back to back titles. In the MSL, we have 2 players with 3 consecutive titles, and 2 players with back to back titles. Why couldn't they do this in the OSL? It's because its not that easy to do in the OSL.

MSL wins don't mean nearly as much as an OSL.


Wait, you = IPXZerg?


oh shittt what the hell -_-;;;;;
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
November 08 2007 16:07 GMT
#563
This dissapoints me greatly. Who can I turn to now, when all the zergs are gone?
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noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-08 16:13:13
November 08 2007 16:09 GMT
#564
On November 09 2007 01:06 Zanno wrote:
yeah, a third/fourth place victory is totally indicative of failure

what the fuck is wrong with all of you faggots
I just wanted to see a Bisu vs. Savior rematch, or even CJ vs. CJ in the finals.
Oh well. I don't even care who wins this MSL anymore.. lol
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
November 08 2007 16:10 GMT
#565
On November 09 2007 01:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2007 00:09 himurakenshin wrote:
On November 09 2007 00:02 mdb wrote:
On November 08 2007 23:06 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 08 2007 22:28 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Im just laughing off my ass.. All these hardcore savior fans who said savior is going to be the next Boxer or NaDa .. guys..

Thats exactly why savior and bisu are still lightyears away from gamers like naDa and boxer in terms of success and pure force.. For sure right now nada is a shadow of himself..
but just see how fast savior simply begins to not win anymore..

Lets see how long bisu can be the dominant force..
gonna take a while for him to be around at the top as long as the true legend ( nada,boxer,oov )

Savior\'s there already. None of those players you listed dominated for a period longer than Savior has. He dominated for two years and has 4 major titles. That\'s more than Boxer and one less than oov, and his came in an era of higher overall level of competition. As much as I respect Nada\'s achievements, his 3 MSL victories are not nearly as impressive as Savior\'s 3.

Bisu I agree is not there yet, but \"lightyears away\" is an overstatement.

I hate arguing with fanboys, becouse I consifer myself one, but. Saying that Savior dominated for 2 years is a little bit too much.You could say that he dominated MSL,thats correct, but if my memory is correct a the time Savior was winning pringles, other guys were winning OSLs. Casy and Nada I think. Thats not a domination IMO. A bit later he was really domimant for several months, but two years is a bit too much.


Exactly. When savior was IPX nobody really took notice of him even, it was only when he beat Boxer 3-0 in the superfight that people started to take notice of me. Plus an MSL win is not a major title, it is a minor title. Especially in Korea, an OSL win is worth far more than an MSL win. It's much easier to be eliminated in the OSL compared to the MSL (double elimination). MSL has second chances, the OSL doesn't. Its evident that its much harder to dominate in the OSL because so few players have one multiple titles, and only Boxer has won back to back titles. In the MSL, we have 2 players with 3 consecutive titles, and 2 players with back to back titles. Why couldn't they do this in the OSL? It's because its not that easy to do in the OSL.

MSL wins don't mean nearly as much as an OSL.

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On November 09 2007 00:23 BluzMan wrote:
Your logic is inherently flawed. MSL produces consistent champions and it's format enables the best player to take consecutive wins, whereas OSL has a different winner every time, making it possible for totally random players to break through. I mean, GGPlay wut? He DOES have godsend ZvT, but his ZvP is pathetic, and Bisu proved it only recently. GGPlay is not the bonjwa, yet he has the most recent OSL title. Bisu, on the other hand, was taken out of the OSL losing 0-2 to Flash who clearly is not a champion (at least not for the moment) just due to a small number of games played and some horrid luck. The fact that the same people win consecutive MSL's hints us to that it's format encourages the best players to win, whereas OSL's results hint to it's total randomness. I'd say for a real power display, MSL victory is more important than OSL one, and OSL's prestige is only due to its historical value.

Good response.

I'd also like to add that people definitely took notice of Savior before the superfight with Boxer.

And that Proleague and the increased competition level makes it infinitely harder to win both leagues simultaneously. You simply don't have enough hours during the day to practice for everything. I think it's very impressive Stork made semis of OSL, Finals of MSL, and his Proleague team won the whole thing. That's truly amazing.

You can't compare the difficulty players face now and back then. Back then, "dominant" meant something different, because it was much easier to be dominant. You don't have as many proleague games, you don't have a faceless army of new players with great mechanics and 3x the practice time you do because you are active in all three leagues. It's a different, more difficult game.


I agree, but it still shows the fact that winning an OSL back-to-back its really hard. If Bisu couldn't beat a cheezing kid in the quarters (I think) then he really doesn't deserve to win the OSL. I'm not saying that the OSL winner's deserve to win either, but it's more like, you may get lucky once, but not twice. You won't get your "second chance" in the OSL. To win two OSL's in a row, you have to be the fuckin bonjwa no doubt.

Winning the MSL twice doesn't mean anything, Bisu is still getting thrown around by amature players like Flash. If he had won two OSLs back-to-back he would be like Boxer in 2001; untouchable.
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
November 08 2007 16:11 GMT
#566
LOL NO?!?!?!

SAVIOR T_T
imDerek
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1944 Posts
November 08 2007 16:13 GMT
#567
wait

wtf?
Least favorite progamers: Leta, Zero, Mind, Shine, free, really <-- newly added
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
November 08 2007 16:14 GMT
#568
Doesn't mean anything?
Way to shit all over the accomplishment.

OSL is simply more difficult to win due to its format. Being the superior player and losing a BO3 is easy. Being the superior player and losing a BO5 is significantly harder, (not impossible though).
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
November 08 2007 16:27 GMT
#569
On November 09 2007 01:06 Zanno wrote:
yeah, a third/fourth place victory is totally indicative of failure

what the fuck is wrong with all of you faggots

Looks like somebody is looking for a ban.

Savior has been a longtime MSL finalist. Not only is he not making it to the finals, he has lost to a newcomer attending his first MSL ever. A newcomer who has never once been mentioned for having any TvZ skills.
yakii *
Profile Joined June 2006
Korea (South)1448 Posts
November 08 2007 16:48 GMT
#570
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 08 2007 16:03 GMT
#571
So sad TT
If savior couldn't win this series then its extremely unlikely that he's going to make it much further in the OSL either with all the killer terrans left there. I just hope bisu beats ddr terran and then stomps this noob so that the MSL can maintain its run of non-terrans winning (currently at 7 straight!)
puLs.ReADy
Profile Joined November 2005
Bulgaria1301 Posts
November 08 2007 16:06 GMT
#572
OMG SAVIOR ? What`s wrong with u ? COME ON win at least OSL !
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 08 2007 16:13 GMT
#573
apparently a larger sample size is now 'easier to win.' perhaps easier for the better player.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
nujabes
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States286 Posts
November 08 2007 16:19 GMT
#574
dang every time i skip watching the games live theres a huge upset.. hope bisu doesn't lose to xellos because tvt finals would be lame
urine_nation
Profile Joined November 2007
United States64 Posts
November 08 2007 16:19 GMT
#575
savior is my favorite player and i just feel so terrible for him. i am not heartbroken, but just a little bit swept away. same feelings after pj beat him.

its because we all expect savior to win everytime. i look forward to his games in the osl, win or lose
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
November 08 2007 16:21 GMT
#576
no bisu vs savior match?? i cant believe it so long i wait for the finals between savior and bisu.. and now the Maestranother o fells in an unexpected way.... another dissapointment from the kleague =(
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
StripedBlueCrow
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States506 Posts
November 08 2007 16:29 GMT
#577
I NO LONGER BELIEVE IN SAVIOR
Ransom notes keep falling out your mouth.
boghat
Profile Joined January 2007
United States2109 Posts
November 08 2007 16:34 GMT
#578
If (Z)sAviOr fails in the OSL StarCraft is dead to me.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
November 08 2007 16:35 GMT
#579
On November 09 2007 01:03 Gaetele wrote:
To the people basing skill purely off of KeSPA rankings - KeSPA is updated once a month. Mind does not play that many games - MSL is the only thing he has. He beat Oov, great. He beat Mania, great. Neither of which should give him a large boost in KeSPA - they aren't that great players. He's only recently become fielded more often for WeMade in the Proleague, and that's going to stop as he has to practice for the MSL finals.

Now he beats sAviOr and I predict a 2-digit KeSPA rise from Mind for December.
Right. Someone else in this thread called KeSPA an objective skill ranking and that's simply not true. Skill is completely subjective. It's an objective performance ranking and Mind's past performances are far, far worse than sAviOr's, but everyone that watched knows Mind was the better player today and I think it's unfair to credit it all to savior's mistakes. He definitely played poorly, but it wasn't like 4/5 were close games. Mind was pretty exceptional... except for the occasional idle worker. ._.
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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
November 08 2007 16:40 GMT
#580
arrgh. Fuck you mind. Fuck you, all terrans. Savior vs. Bisu final would have been so epic. But now it will never be...
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
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