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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:02 Kacas wrote: the problem is that T is Imba we almost dont see new zerg and protoss players going to the top but a lot of T players come from nothing and make to the semis, etc t_T  Where is my clone | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Didn't know Savior spoke English haha | ||
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Desade
Germany50 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:02 mdb wrote: I hate arguing with fanboys, becouse I consifer myself one, but. Saying that Savior dominated for 2 years is a little bit too much.You could say that he dominated MSL,thats correct, but if my memory is correct a the time Savior was winning pringles, other guys were winning OSLs. Casy and Nada I think. Thats not a domination IMO. A bit later he was really domimant for several months, but two years is a bit too much. There was a time when Savior seemed and basically was unbeatable. He was not winning EVERYTHING so he was not dominant yeah? I think you mistake dominance for godlikeness there. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:09 himurakenshin wrote: Exactly. When savior was IPX nobody really took notice of him even, it was only when he beat Boxer 3-0 in the superfight that people started to take notice of me. Plus an MSL win is not a major title, it is a minor title. Especially in Korea, an OSL win is worth far more than an MSL win. It's much easier to be eliminated in the OSL compared to the MSL (double elimination). MSL has second chances, the OSL doesn't. Its evident that its much harder to dominate in the OSL because so few players have one multiple titles, and only Boxer has won back to back titles. In the MSL, we have 2 players with 3 consecutive titles, and 2 players with back to back titles. Why couldn't they do this in the OSL? It's because its not that easy to do in the OSL. MSL wins don't mean nearly as much as an OSL. Sigh, whenever Savior loses at something the excuses come flying. Now the MSL is worthless? If Savior was still in it would you be saying the same thing? | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:09 himurakenshin wrote: Exactly. When savior was IPX nobody really took notice of him even, it was only when he beat Boxer 3-0 in the superfight that people started to take notice of me. Plus an MSL win is not a major title, it is a minor title. Especially in Korea, an OSL win is worth far more than an MSL win. It's much easier to be eliminated in the OSL compared to the MSL (double elimination). MSL has second chances, the OSL doesn't. Its evident that its much harder to dominate in the OSL because so few players have one multiple titles, and only Boxer has won back to back titles. In the MSL, we have 2 players with 3 consecutive titles, and 2 players with back to back titles. Why couldn't they do this in the OSL? It's because its not that easy to do in the OSL. MSL wins don't mean nearly as much as an OSL. Your logic is inherently flawed. MSL produces consistent champions and it's format enables the best player to take consecutive wins, whereas OSL has a different winner every time, making it possible for totally random players to break through. I mean, GGPlay wut? He DOES have godsend ZvT, but his ZvP is pathetic, and Bisu proved it only recently. GGPlay is not the bonjwa, yet he has the most recent OSL title. Bisu, on the other hand, was taken out of the OSL losing 0-2 to Flash who clearly is not a champion (at least not for the moment) just due to a small number of games played and some horrid luck. The fact that the same people win consecutive MSL's hints us to that it's format encourages the best players to win, whereas OSL's results hint to it's total randomness. I'd say for a real power display, MSL victory is more important than OSL one, and OSL's prestige is only due to its historical value. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Wasabi
United States3085 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
Come on now, is this a joke ? Someone pinch me. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Have to give credit to him, he played pretty well in the three games he won. | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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strongwind
United States862 Posts
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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poilord
Germany3252 Posts
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tOOkOmA4U
Germany253 Posts
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:43 clazziquai wrote: I wake up and see that Savior lost.......I still cant believe it... | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:59 noobienoob wrote: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:09 himurakenshin wrote: Exactly. When savior was IPX nobody really took notice of him even, it was only when he beat Boxer 3-0 in the superfight that people started to take notice of me. Plus an MSL win is not a major title, it is a minor title. Especially in Korea, an OSL win is worth far more than an MSL win. It's much easier to be eliminated in the OSL compared to the MSL (double elimination). MSL has second chances, the OSL doesn't. Its evident that its much harder to dominate in the OSL because so few players have one multiple titles, and only Boxer has won back to back titles. In the MSL, we have 2 players with 3 consecutive titles, and 2 players with back to back titles. Why couldn't they do this in the OSL? It's because its not that easy to do in the OSL. MSL wins don't mean nearly as much as an OSL. On November 09 2007 00:23 BluzMan wrote: Your logic is inherently flawed. MSL produces consistent champions and it's format enables the best player to take consecutive wins, whereas OSL has a different winner every time, making it possible for totally random players to break through. I mean, GGPlay wut? He DOES have godsend ZvT, but his ZvP is pathetic, and Bisu proved it only recently. GGPlay is not the bonjwa, yet he has the most recent OSL title. Bisu, on the other hand, was taken out of the OSL losing 0-2 to Flash who clearly is not a champion (at least not for the moment) just due to a small number of games played and some horrid luck. The fact that the same people win consecutive MSL's hints us to that it's format encourages the best players to win, whereas OSL's results hint to it's total randomness. I'd say for a real power display, MSL victory is more important than OSL one, and OSL's prestige is only due to its historical value. Good response. I'd also like to add that people definitely took notice of Savior before the superfight with Boxer. And that Proleague and the increased competition level makes it infinitely harder to win both leagues simultaneously. You simply don't have enough hours during the day to practice for everything. I think it's very impressive Stork made semis of OSL, Finals of MSL, and his Proleague team won the whole thing. That's truly amazing. You can't compare the difficulty players face now and back then. Back then, "dominant" meant something different, because it was much easier to be dominant. You don't have as many proleague games, you don't have a faceless army of new players with great mechanics and 3x the practice time you do because you are active in all three leagues. It's a different, more difficult game. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On November 09 2007 00:43 clazziquai wrote: I wake up and see that Savior lost.......I still cant believe it... I couldn't believe it either! What the fuck??!! On November 08 2007 08:36 KizZBG wrote: OMG, imagine Mind pulling a fbh! won't happen fo sho. :p I think we just jinxed Savior, haha. | ||
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Gaetele
Esper760 Posts
Now he beats sAviOr and I predict a 2-digit KeSPA rise from Mind for December. | ||
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