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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
September 11 2023 11:06 GMT
#21
Was a fairly close game until that lurker cashed in on those probes. On the initial hydra push, Bisu was SUPER close to death but managed to save his own ass by finding overlord at just the right time. If soulkey hadn't been supply blocked for that time then Bisu was probably dead.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3351 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-11 11:25:59
September 11 2023 11:25 GMT
#22
On September 11 2023 20:06 Kaal wrote:
Was a fairly close game until that lurker cashed in on those probes. On the initial hydra push, Bisu was SUPER close to death but managed to save his own ass by finding overlord at just the right time. If soulkey hadn't been supply blocked for that time then Bisu was probably dead.

Once again, questions should be asked why do we have a close game after one player was SUPER close to kill the other with a cheese build. Bisu's downfall was that Lurker and the attack into the choke, but he shouldn't have been in that position in the first place if the matchup was fair.

Stubborn people would say there is no imbalance and skill issue, citing win rate and etc. but it does feel like when the stake is high Zerg always resort to hydra bust and only keeps the macro build 3 Hatch Spire when it doesn't really matter. Just look at the number of hydra opening this ASL alone lol. Did we even have a 3H Spire opening yet?
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 11:26 GMT
#23
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9304 Posts
September 11 2023 11:28 GMT
#24
wtf! what opening is this ?!
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4177 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-11 11:29:13
September 11 2023 11:29 GMT
#25
Who are these people who say that there is no imbalance ? The 1st several minutes of this match up only Zerg can win or get ahead and the best case scenario for the protoss is to go even, after that if the protoss goes even the game is fairly balanced, similar to all other match ups, but these several minutes make the difference in win rate
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5217 Posts
September 11 2023 11:32 GMT
#26
I think it's up to the protoss to figure it out. If they can't find an answer to hydra bust and are willingly only ever trying to defend with cannons, that is their prerogative.
They have enough options, just no creativity.
Taxes are for Terrans
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4177 Posts
September 11 2023 11:33 GMT
#27
On September 11 2023 20:32 Uldridge wrote:
I think it's up to the protoss to figure it out. If they can't find an answer to hydra bust and are willingly only ever trying to defend with cannons, that is their prerogative.
They have enough options, just no creativity.

ok my bad TMNT, there is obviously one xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 11:33 GMT
#28
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 11:43 GMT
#29
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3351 Posts
September 11 2023 11:43 GMT
#30
On September 11 2023 20:32 Uldridge wrote:
I think it's up to the protoss to figure it out. If they can't find an answer to hydra bust and are willingly only ever trying to defend with cannons, that is their prerogative.
They have enough options, just no creativity.

The only other option is Reaver I think. But the Reaver still has to sit behind some cannons and I think you have to blindly go Robo lol . And if Zerg goes for Muta then heheh... I think it works when there's a mismatch in level i.e. the Protoss player much better than the Zerg. At equal skill it's just not right.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 11:45 GMT
#31
oh man bisu having to face hero is pretty rough, but on the other hand, hero doesn't like to go the hydra bust route so maybe we'll get fun games.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
September 11 2023 12:00 GMT
#32
ample blunders his vulture; bisu is looking ready to kill

we may see another hydra bust yet
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
September 11 2023 12:12 GMT
#33
classic 7 base toss vs 3 base terran
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
September 11 2023 12:23 GMT
#34
Feel like every tvp on this map ends up like this even if its not carriers vs gols. Well played by Bisu.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3351 Posts
September 11 2023 12:28 GMT
#35
That game was close for a moment because of firstly the map, and secondly Bisu not deciding to go for base trade immediately. Funnily that game tells a lot about the style of each Protoss player:
- if it was Snow, he would grind out the army of Ample with storm that when he reached Snow's natural he'd have barely any tanks left.
- if it was Mini, he would go for base trade with the Carriers immediately
- if it was Best, he wouldn't go Carrier and killed Ample with a ridiculous Zealot charge into that 3rd base position that looks impossible to attack
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 12:31 GMT
#36
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Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
September 11 2023 12:42 GMT
#37
shoes on the other foot now its 7 base terran vs 3 base toss! ( now 2)
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3351 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-11 12:50:19
September 11 2023 12:49 GMT
#38
Bisu has never adapted to modern PvT. His use of Shuttle Reaver and HT is awful compared to Best, let alone the younger ones like Mini and Snow. His multitask is all over the place. I'd rather he play traditionally with Arbiter honestly.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51456 Posts
September 11 2023 12:54 GMT
#39
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9304 Posts
September 11 2023 13:01 GMT
#40
I'm sorry to say but Bisu's engagement with the terran army seems so weak
Only unloads a single zelot and the reaver shot just once...
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