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Zealgoon
Profile Joined January 2013
China188 Posts
September 11 2023 13:42 GMT
#61
What a group
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22551 Posts
September 11 2023 13:42 GMT
#62
On September 11 2023 22:40 konadora wrote:
bisu died for this
Then he should have played better.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2164 Posts
September 11 2023 13:43 GMT
#63
On September 11 2023 22:07 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wow bisus game 2 and 3 were absolutely awful. no dragoon range all game on game 2 and no zealot speed on 3 on top of the failed proxy. whose idea was it to go carriers all 3 games?

He probably had dinner with Stork last night.
"I've got this amazing build. You just make lots of the best unit and then you win. Works for me nearly every time."
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2164 Posts
September 11 2023 13:44 GMT
#64
At least herO saved my very poor liquibet decisions...
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3296 Posts
September 11 2023 13:48 GMT
#65
Damn I thought Ample after beating Soma, Queen, Soulkey (in the NWSL), and now Bisu has stepped up to be a solid tier 2 Terran like Sharp and Mong, but then Hero smothered him real good.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51293 Posts
September 11 2023 13:53 GMT
#66
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TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3296 Posts
September 11 2023 15:18 GMT
#67
Still those games from Bisu hurt my brain. Like wtf. You can have scrubs from K League like YSC who can dismantle Ample with Shuttle Reaver and High Templar with relative ease but here's a superior player in every way struggling to unload his units from Shuttle.

Is it because of his tiny windowed mode again? Like maybe at home he's familiar with the setting so it's fine but in the studio a slight difference in the chairs height or distance to the screen that makes him uncomfortable when playing with that tiny window ?
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8921 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-11 16:03:58
September 11 2023 16:03 GMT
#68
i definitely think nerves and the discomfort of the studio are playing big factors with bisu now. nerves because his experiences on the top stage are ancient history and his baseline ability isnt head and shoulders above the competition anymore, but the expectations are still there. jaedong has the same problem too tbh.
and the sensitivity to playing on unfamiliar setups will get worse with age, especially for bisu whos notorious for being so sensitive to old habits that he still plays on the old graphics and membrane keyboards.

the last few asls bisu's performance on stage have completely tanked, which is curious because his usual games on stream immediately before tournaments arent pretty standard.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4276 Posts
September 11 2023 16:14 GMT
#69
group summary -->



M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4276 Posts
September 11 2023 16:15 GMT
#70
Painful.
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic955 Posts
September 11 2023 17:53 GMT
#71
Bisu simply lacks that superior power through mechanics / multitasking and being the fastest player ever as he used to be years ago.. At this point he just keeps losing units all over place and dies most of the time from bad decision making (attacking into highly unfavourable positions).
never too old for starcraft :)
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5823 Posts
September 11 2023 17:55 GMT
#72
Lol. Bisu hit a new low, I see. Tbh Bisu is just another Protoss who can play 2 match ups well and then seems clueless about the last. Also 90% of the time Bisu goes carriers it just hurts to watch, I guess he is still blind to it himself after all these years.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5823 Posts
September 11 2023 18:06 GMT
#73
Regarding stage play you can ask specifics of the desk and chair n monitor I assume? Or even be as bold as to request a rehearsal? Most musicians rehearse before a concert. Why couldn't a progamer? Maybe Scan can shed more light on what info and opportunity ASL gives its players.

A nice upgrade for next ASL would be booths, rehearsal time and make the final match in the ro24 a bo3.
FBH #1!
omahahowitzer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States98 Posts
September 11 2023 18:37 GMT
#74
as a Bisu fan, this is matchfix levels of play and decision-making. he's not been looking good in Proleague for the last couple months but this is a new low
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States395 Posts
September 11 2023 21:04 GMT
#75
Bisu took a page out of Stork's playbook from Ro24... Going carriers every game really cannot be correct.
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada136 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-11 22:04:08
September 11 2023 22:02 GMT
#76
Bisu still surprises me so much

He has the highest win rate out of anyone who hasn't won ASL (like almost 60%) and higher than many ASL winners (Light, Royal, Jyj, etc) but he still just usually dies against better players

This time he randomly lost to a worse player


I noticed a while back that his PvT matchup is lacking compared to Best/Snow because he tries to rely on mechanics/micro to win games, taking bad engagements, whereas Best and Snow don't ever take engagements that rely in micro to win

like for every game where he wins with micro:


he loses like 5 games against a Terran who overall is much worse than him
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland611 Posts
September 11 2023 22:49 GMT
#77
I watch Bisu a lot, and to me, it feels like he doesn't have confidence in ground army playstyle vs terran and will switch to carriers sooner or later. Can't blame him, it's also pretty much a trend now as well.
Direct causes for his losses? Polypoid --> vulture raids, that was enough to set the game. Invader --> micro with reavers not good enough / not enough value. His engagement was also bad, maybe he got his obs sniped, i don't know; it's always easy to judge with maphack ; Slow zealots is pretty normal at this stage of the game.
His mistakes weren't that numerous. It's sad for me that u judge the players, and not the games.
omahahowitzer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States98 Posts
September 11 2023 23:42 GMT
#78
On September 12 2023 07:49 Bonyth wrote:
I watch Bisu a lot, and to me, it feels like he doesn't have confidence in ground army playstyle vs terran and will switch to carriers sooner or later. Can't blame him, it's also pretty much a trend now as well.
Direct causes for his losses? Polypoid --> vulture raids, that was enough to set the game. Invader --> micro with reavers not good enough / not enough value. His engagement was also bad, maybe he got his obs sniped, i don't know; it's always easy to judge with maphack ; Slow zealots is pretty normal at this stage of the game.
His mistakes weren't that numerous. It's sad for me that u judge the players, and not the games.


as a low level player, his engage on Invader made no sense because a) he can see Terran does not have a 3rd base yet with 6 fact, b) he only had 6 gateways and 2 carriers making so does not have army advantage. Seems like he should just buy time as long as possible until carriers and interceptors.

since you know more about the game, do you disagree and think it was a good decision to engage and just bad execution?
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8082 Posts
September 12 2023 05:01 GMT
#79
God Ample… what a disappointment in the last match. Wish
Bisu would have won to see him vs Hero. That said, wow Bisu you suck too.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-09-12 05:44:07
September 12 2023 05:43 GMT
#80
Bisu's PvT was like Stork but with worse mechanics. Power underwhelming.
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