[ASL15] Ro16 Group D

On March 29 2023 20:10 _hxhxhx1 wrote:
who won both series

On March 29 2023 21:33 BLinD-RawR wrote:


this doesn't work like triathalon.

On March 29 2023 21:39 Peeano wrote:
It appears Bisu doesn't know how to "unload quick".

On March 29 2023 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:


hiya went 3 port that game.

On March 29 2023 21:43 TMNT wrote:

It probably has something to do with his screen size like I said. Bunch of Shuttles clumped up in a tiny screen, he just can't click them one by one fast enough while they are in motion, so the unload ended up looking so clumsy.

On March 29 2023 21:45 BLinD-RawR wrote:


neither are that good, or active.

On March 29 2023 21:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Bisu still plays tiny screen ala 1.16 days?

On March 29 2023 21:49 TMNT wrote:



He probably changed his mousepad this season tho.

On March 29 2023 22:19 ggsimida wrote:
JD now has a really good chance this season

On March 29 2023 22:25 RowdierBob wrote:
Bisu just isn’t one of the top players atm. He got handled pretty easily by Mind and Hero. Ro16 is about the cap on his skill level atm.

On March 30 2023 02:07 Magic Powers wrote:
I just realized I have no one left to root for D:
Guess I'll just root for JyJ then, I like his style

On March 30 2023 02:07 Magic Powers wrote:
I just realized I have no one left to root for D:
Guess I'll just root for JyJ then, I like his style

On March 29 2023 21:49 TMNT wrote:



He probably changed his mousepad this season tho.

On March 29 2023 21:40 Peeano wrote:
Cya sSuk

On March 30 2023 14:07 Bisu-Fan wrote:

Yup. Best commentating on Bisu's games said as much. If you watch his proleague and ck games (and the group selection ceremony), he's still considered the S/god tier

On March 29 2023 22:32 TMNT wrote:

He still has decent results online. Last 3 months he's 14-14 vs Hero, 46-34 vs Soma, 17-8 vs Queen, 25-16 vs Light (wow I didn't expect this one). Definitely can still hang out with the top 8.

He just plays pretty bad offline in general I'd say. It seems like the case with all the Protoss now.

On March 30 2023 20:44 Artas1984 wrote:
Bisu, you idiot! Because of your fault, we now have 5 zergs in ro8. Everyone was cheering for you, even people who don't like you, just because you were supposed to bring balance to the force! What a fail! The only positive outcome i see from this is JD having the best chances to win ASL now.



Seems like Hero is actually the best protoss killer zerg at the moment. Though i am disappointed beyond lowest low that he advanced, i was very impressed with him non the less, his muta switch in the first game was executed in god tier level.

On March 31 2023 08:53 moktira wrote:
I've been a Bisu fan since I first started following the pro scene in 2007, I can't remember the last time I haven't been disappointed in a tournament, I suppose at least he's had some success that I got to enjoy. But man am I sick of seeing him lose to Mind...

On April 01 2023 21:14 TornadoSteve wrote:
Am i the only one who think Bisu is playing his A game? Pretty sure Bisu is very close to his peak. Everyone else has got better, and thats how it is.

On April 01 2023 22:10 Miragee wrote:


Absolutely not, mechanic-wise most korean pros are worse compared to their Kespa days, including Bisu. Bisu's shuttle play vs Sharp was super entertaining and impressive but he fumbled some unloads and his shuttles also sometimes sat there for 20 seconds or so while getting shot by random goliaths. No way that would have happened to 2007-2009 Bisu.

On April 01 2023 23:28 orth0dox wrote:

I'm not sure about that.. I remember how in KESPA days zergs struggled to defend 3rd base from terran push. And now around same in game time they just kill terrans on pure micro.

On April 02 2023 00:07 TornadoSteve wrote:
Siege before muta?!

On April 01 2023 23:59 Miragee wrote:


Right, but that also happened at times during the post-Kespa era and I think there is more to it than just the the surface-level micro you see outright. One part has to do with evolving strategies and meta. For example, when 5 rax play was new and dominant, zergs reeeally struggled to set up a third base. Over time, zergs figured out strategies to counter it better and nowadays you only see 5 rax every now and then to mix it up.
Small adjustments in timings for units and buidlings make a huge difference at this level and age of the game, when everything's so tight. A few seconds can litterally making the difference in holding something vs struggling or getting busted. Builds these days are more refined and efficient compared to the Kespa-era and other stuff, such as mineral-boosting, are now available to the player.
All in all, the timings now are just very different. Terran used to do siege timings before swarm for example. Zerg almost never started the third base before mutas were out. Hive/swarm timings are generally quicker these days.
One more thing I would throw in that is another mechanical limitation on terran's part to bust a third is how quickly they move accross the map. This takes a lot of multi-tasking and speed to do efficiently and makes a hell of a difference when it comes to busting zerg's third. This is one of the reasons why Flash would bust zergs way more often than most other terrans. He just moved accross the map so quickly withouth losing many units or fumbling on his macro, base-defense against mutas etc.

On April 02 2023 00:49 Magic Powers wrote:


It's still very standard, we see it in a lot of games.

On April 02 2023 13:36 vndestiny wrote:


I'm actually just start following the pro-scene recently again after awhile, so maybe this is the perfect time to ask. What exactly did Zerg pros figure our against 5 rax? I remember it was quite hopeless as the mutas ball could never be enough to hold the 3rd, nor do much dmg against the mass MM with upgraded.

Was it simply better muta micro or?

On April 03 2023 04:30 orth0dox wrote:
I'm under impression that nowadays players technique is superior to Kespa days. It is just they only show it when they prepare for ASL cause it's only one relevant tournament left. Other part of year they just fool around on custom maps or stream to make a living. When Kespa was a thing, every single upcoming match was analyzed by whole team, and they often used very specific all ins on nonstandard maps. Now everyone is on their own and players tend to play solid standards that rely on top notch execution to win against other player that also play in same way.