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On June 08 2021 15:05 Leonix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote:
Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site.
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive.
You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting.
This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it.
What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community.
It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy. WTF... No communication ? Joke ? I dont even watch their casts ... THey annouced everything on their twitch channels, and Casts ... They delay because they get the vods later raw and can post it on the afreeca channel, so it is avaible for eternity... And since they have a twitch partnership or whatever they cant just commentate or something on afreeca Website directly. They can only do it via youtube... Either way, from the beginning it was clear that delays will happen... Why are you surprised lol ... If you really cared about the fact that they are delayed, you already would known it lol ... Afreeca doesnt want to let them commentate on a other streaming service live... Afreeca= Streaming service... Something like that anyway... So in that regard there was more than rumors, but maybe they didnt display it that openly... If that is the case, kind of sad... I agree.
Well I knew about those things, and the delays wasn't that bad, but the latest games are exetremely late, and that's due to Afreeca moving offices apparently. Which might be a rumor I dont know, but apparently Artosis said that on some stream. If that's the case, then fine, but at least tell the community in a better way than just a random mention on his twitch stream.
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On June 08 2021 19:43 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote:On June 06 2021 21:45 Ikirouta wrote:On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote:
Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. nyoken + scan is live, wdym? Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back. *outscar derails the thread* Some users: "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" Show nested quote +On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote:
Wow, so much hate for Tastosis out of nowhere. I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live and then this thread exploded. I don't know if me or you guys derailing this finals thread into Tastosis hate thread. I know they were so bad when they started casting that Bisu vs. EffOrt finals on VANT but we used to watch them for 10 seasons straight and they're becoming better. Why you even need to bring this out of nowhere now? Jeez didn't think there were so many haters here, it's like Tastosis is a trigger word for them.
It wasn't "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" thought, it was lenghtly posts describing how awfull casters they are to the point of people having the mute the stream.
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On June 08 2021 22:18 Timebon3s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2021 19:43 IntoTheWow wrote:On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote:On June 06 2021 21:45 Ikirouta wrote:On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote:
Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. nyoken + scan is live, wdym? Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back. *outscar derails the thread* Some users: "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote:
Wow, so much hate for Tastosis out of nowhere. I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live and then this thread exploded. I don't know if me or you guys derailing this finals thread into Tastosis hate thread. I know they were so bad when they started casting that Bisu vs. EffOrt finals on VANT but we used to watch them for 10 seasons straight and they're becoming better. Why you even need to bring this out of nowhere now? Jeez didn't think there were so many haters here, it's like Tastosis is a trigger word for them. It wasn't "We prefer Nyoken & Scan" thought, it was lenghtly posts describing how awfull casters they are to the point of people having the mute the stream.
Fact: outscar was the first one to mention tastosis, tasteless or artosis casting on the thread and derail it. Then goes on to say people are derailing the thread.
More a subjective point: after outscars post I counted positive 13 posts talking about how they enjoyed Nyoken and/or Scans commentary. An additional 2-3 posts made more of a comparison to Tastosis... which I guess one can be seen as really critic of how they cast (but cataloguing it as "hate" makes me chuckle a bit).
You are free to do your own tally. I think even they people who are more critic of Tasteless or Artosis casting bring good points and don't mean it as disrespect, but of reasons on why they prefer one over the other. People don't hate on Scan when they mentioned his english pronunciation or repeating the same phrases, even if they mentioned those things in previous threads.
Please do quote the many posts describing "awful casters" and the many mentions of muting the stream.
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Ok then I understand what you mean.
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I think we're lucky to have two pairs of awesome english casters for ASL.
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Netherlands4893 Posts
If anything, then I derailed the thread. I'm sorry about that.
I respect all BW fans, some just more or a bit less than others. After writing my rant I reviewed it many times, thought about it again and again, even edited it a bit so it didn't feel too much like straight up Tastosis bashing, but ultimately I decided to post my rant.
If I had written all complaints about Tastosis I should have written a blog, but then it would have either reached no1 or would have quickly turned into a shit throwing fest, where people would deem me to hate Tastosis. And that is simply not true. I just lost some respect for them over the years, caused by their own actions. I guess that frustrates me a bit, because they're still by far the biggest names in the scene regarding English casters. I want to be able to enjoy them, but I simply can't. I also don't care much to support them, because unless they become crazy rich, I bet you they will disappear again as quickly as they re-appeared if BW can't sustain them.
In the absence of Tastosis, I've always encouraged English casters + Show Spoiler +(even fucking RaPiD, omegalol)
Finally to Outscar: what you wrote was merely the final straw that broke me, so don't feel bad about it.
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On June 09 2021 00:02 Piste wrote:
I think we're lucky to have two pairs of awesome english casters for ASL.
Definitely!
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On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote:
I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live What outscar actually wrote:On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote:
Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls.
That's right, he denied the existence of an excellent English cast provided entirely for free. Which provoked the reactions in support of said existing free casters, but apparently that's too much. How obnoxious.
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I'm glad that we had two pairs of English casters this season. I didn't like waiting for 2 weeks for Tastosis' casts to come out, so having such knowledgeable commentators in Nyoken and Scan casting live and having the videos uploaded the next day was very nice.
I appreciated the production quality in Tastosis' casts, with the full translations of interviews and on-screen graphics, since Scan often couldn't keep up with accurate word to word translations in real time. I ended up first watching the Scan/Nyoken videos, then skimming through the highlights/reactions of Tastosis and any interviews that were missed in the Scan/Nyoken videos.
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This finals was quite something. Really back and forth and the way each player would take 2 games then the other would do the same was nutty. The games imo were great fun. Game 6 in particular was pure art. The reaver shots and micro were phenomenal. The timing, the risk, everything that Mini did was great. It's too bad that he ended up losing game 7, but I do hope to see him winning an ASL soon. The protoss race needs another champion!
On that note, congrats to Larva. As someone who cheered for him in the past, it was great to see him finally win an ASL after years and years of practice. He did great in that last game but reading the situation and pulling off that hatch to counter the incoming block. Now if only Mini can win an ASL and I'll be a happy fan.
As for the casters, I enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting and hope they will cast in the next ASL. If not, then I may have to step up to the plate myself 
On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote:
Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site.
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive.
You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting.
This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it.
What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community.
It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy.
you may be exaggerating just a tad there mate. It's true that their vods get up to the tens of thousands, but it's absolutely false to claim they get tens of thousands within minutes lol.
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Thank you very much for this. The Youtube VODs got struck in Japan for a music copyright.
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Just for my two cents, I like Nyoken and Scan as casters. They are more knowledgeable than Tastosis and IMO better in touch with the flow of the game and a given series (to be fair, Scan actually played in ASL 11, hard to get more in touch than that). However, Tastosis are more smooth and comfortable in talking.
FYI, does anyone know who did the production value for Tastosis? In particular, someone subtitled all of the portions where Korean players are speaking. Scan isn't an interpreter and he clearly struggled in the mix of following Korean speakers and being able to translate it to English. Even more, someone translated the middle parts between ads where they do funny little interviews with the players, which Scan and Nyoken ignored.
It's doubly interesting because Nyoken references at several points during ASL 11 that he's taking Korean classes. I feel like Artosis and Tasteless are both pretty open that they do not speak Korean beyond basics but maybe I'm wrong about that.
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Late to the game but I was watching via tastosis on Afreeca's YT channel.
Just loving that Larva won - you can tell he doesn't have quite the skillset of the people who were actually pros back in the day (I believe he was a practice player for SKT1?). His gameplay just isn't quite as clean, and he might lose the odd unit here and there. His money spikes up sometimes (though that's more common with zerg). But, is he ever a smart player or what?
It seems he has an ability that Savior had which is he can utilize his army in a way that manipulates how his opponent uses theirs, utilizing that when he needs to delay to get defense, or utilizing that to get a good flank, etc. It's like watching controlled chaos. Larva's army movement is fun to watch on the mini-map, too.
Was also just super impressed with how often he'd have the right defense at the right time at the right place, or the right tech come out at the right time. Or how well he scouted, too.
And with the passion he has, it's so well deserved.
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On June 11 2021 08:34 BigFan wrote:This finals was quite something. Really back and forth and the way each player would take 2 games then the other would do the same was nutty. The games imo were great fun. Game 6 in particular was pure art. The reaver shots and micro were phenomenal. The timing, the risk, everything that Mini did was great. It's too bad that he ended up losing game 7, but I do hope to see him winning an ASL soon. The protoss race needs another champion! On that note, congrats to Larva. As someone who cheered for him in the past, it was great to see him finally win an ASL after years and years of practice. He did great in that last game but reading the situation and pulling off that hatch to counter the incoming block. Now if only Mini can win an ASL and I'll be a happy fan. As for the casters, I enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting and hope they will cast in the next ASL. If not, then I may have to step up to the plate myself Show nested quote +On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote:
Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site.
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive.
You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting.
This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it.
What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community.
It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy. you may be exaggerating just a tad there mate. It's true that their vods get up to the tens of thousands, but it's absolutely false to claim they get tens of thousands within minutes lol.
Ok within hours then!
Just trying to hype up bw a bit :p
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On June 11 2021 18:09 ColdLava wrote:
Late to the game but I was watching via tastosis on Afreeca's YT channel.
Just loving that Larva won - you can tell he doesn't have quite the skillset of the people who were actually pros back in the day (I believe he was a practice player for SKT1?). His gameplay just isn't quite as clean, and he might lose the odd unit here and there. His money spikes up sometimes (though that's more common with zerg). But, is he ever a smart player or what?
It seems he has an ability that Savior had which is he can utilize his army in a way that manipulates how his opponent uses theirs, utilizing that when he needs to delay to get defense, or utilizing that to get a good flank, etc. It's like watching controlled chaos. Larva's army movement is fun to watch on the mini-map, too.
Was also just super impressed with how often he'd have the right defense at the right time at the right place, or the right tech come out at the right time. Or how well he scouted, too.
And with the passion he has, it's so well deserved.
Ehhh, I would, doubt that quite a bit.
It's no secret that relative to his peers, Larva is on the weaker side when it comes to microing his units but his macro ability is all-time spectacular. What are you even talking about..
Just in general, Zergs at their peak in the last few years have been far more impressive than the random clusterfuck you would see sometimes in the 08-12 era.
Meta-wise, also Zerg is the race that has had the most innovation out of all.
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I would also like to say that I do not like when Tastosis get lost in jokes and forget about the game.
I watched almost all the games of the season from theyr channel, but I think I will shitch.
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Amazing games. The quadruple Reaver push was sexy as hell.
Finally Larva has a championship. Long overdue, such a great player.
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wow, people on TL really don't like tastosis lol.
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Well some people don’t. Myself and a lot of others do like them 
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I loved the finals! Awesome games, but more than that - it's great for the community. Fantastic viewership + Larva winning is very healthy for the game.
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