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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-15 01:07:25
June 14 2021 00:31 GMT
#421
Eonzerg said:
I dont really get what you guys complain about ? You are unhappy Tastosis is making money from casting ASL ? is that the issue here ?

To be clear, I wasn't complaining. I find Tastosis hilarious.

I was offering a potential explanation that was not "they lost their passion / they're forcing it."
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1685 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-14 06:21:44
June 14 2021 06:20 GMT
#422
You all are so fucking ungrateful

No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content.

If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion

I'm done reading this thread I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful
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Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 14 2021 07:20 GMT
#423
On June 14 2021 15:20 ShowTheLights wrote:
You all are so fucking ungrateful

No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content.

If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion

I'm done reading this thread I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful

Having critique isn't being ungrateful. I doubt anyone here is.

I posted a rant much like you're doing.

I don't really see people bashing either duo's fanbase.
And yes, both caster duos are great in their own way.

Why wouldn't they read it? They could get some perspective from it or just have a good chuckle.

Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago.
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4095 Posts
June 14 2021 13:59 GMT
#424
Tastosis have been joking around a lot more and trimming down on the analysis, this has been true for years. That's not bashing them, that's a factual observation. It's also a factual observation that Tasteless' understanding of the game has been less accurate and sometimes out-of-date since he came back to BW, even going so far as to forget or mix up terminology. Artosis' theoretical analysis has been better overall, but subjectively speaking I'd say it's been stagnant. Both of them have been more focused on commenting around the game rather than on the game compared to the old days.
It's completely ok for people to either like or dislike all or any of that, and if they have criticism they should voice it.

I'm starting to prefer Scan/Nyoken because I listen to BW commentary not for the jokes (although I think lighthearted fun being sprinkled in is a plus) but mainly for the theoretical analysis. The game is interesting enough without insightful commentary, but I think it makes it just so much better when things get pointed out during the game by experienced players that I wouldn't have noticed by myself. I'm missing that from Tastosis, because they don't seem to have improved on their insights lately. The game at the top level contains many detailed aspects that I don't notice, and the players also have different approaches that I can't all keep track off. That's why I want to be fed additional information by the commentators, with some luck it's things that I've missed.
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orth0dox
Profile Joined August 2013
28 Posts
June 14 2021 16:23 GMT
#425
On June 14 2021 16:20 Peeano wrote:
Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago.


By writing short offhand remark that incites multipage holy war, congratulations, you're now officially master troll.
Bless the machine god, for he has given us tanks in plenty
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
June 14 2021 17:10 GMT
#426
On June 13 2021 21:43 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2021 06:20 Amanebak wrote:
Will Scan and Nyoken cast of the finals be available on Youtube?

Already is!

Thank you all.
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H0l0
Profile Joined December 2020
7 Posts
June 14 2021 17:41 GMT
#427
On June 14 2021 22:59 Magic Powers wrote:
Tastosis have been joking around a lot more and trimming down on the analysis, this has been true for years. That's not bashing them, that's a factual observation. It's also a factual observation that Tasteless' understanding of the game has been less accurate and sometimes out-of-date since he came back to BW, even going so far as to forget or mix up terminology. Artosis' theoretical analysis has been better overall, but subjectively speaking I'd say it's been stagnant. Both of them have been more focused on commenting around the game rather than on the game compared to the old days.
It's completely ok for people to either like or dislike all or any of that, and if they have criticism they should voice it.

I'm starting to prefer Scan/Nyoken because I listen to BW commentary not for the jokes (although I think lighthearted fun being sprinkled in is a plus) but mainly for the theoretical analysis. The game is interesting enough without insightful commentary, but I think it makes it just so much better when things get pointed out during the game by experienced players that I wouldn't have noticed by myself. I'm missing that from Tastosis, because they don't seem to have improved on their insights lately. The game at the top level contains many detailed aspects that I don't notice, and the players also have different approaches that I can't all keep track off. That's why I want to be fed additional information by the commentators, with some luck it's things that I've missed.


This. I'm grateful for both content in these post-apocalyptic days of brood war but I still think it's ok to express some criticism.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-14 22:56:15
June 14 2021 22:56 GMT
#428
On June 14 2021 15:20 ShowTheLights wrote:
You all are so fucking ungrateful

No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content.

If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion

I'm done reading this threrad I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful

What's disgusting is your portrayal of encouraging and enjoying their Nyoken's and Scan's cast instead of your own favourite as bashing.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-15 10:22:03
June 15 2021 10:07 GMT
#429
On June 14 2021 16:20 Peeano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2021 15:20 ShowTheLights wrote:
You all are so fucking ungrateful

No matter whether you are team Tastosis or Team Scan Nyoken, it is absolutely disgusting seeing you all complain about either group providing us great content.

If you BW elitists want more insight, then go enjoy Scan and Nyoken. They are great. If you want comedy and something you can enjoy with your whole family who may not been into BW like the hard-core fan base but love their chemistry then watch Tastosis. You don't have to bash either side for liking something. Its called a fucking opinion

I'm done reading this thread I really really hope Scan nyoken or tastosis all don't read this thread it's disgraceful

Having critique isn't being ungrateful. I doubt anyone here is.

I posted a rant much like you're doing.

I don't really see people bashing either duo's fanbase.
And yes, both caster duos are great in their own way.

Why wouldn't they read it? They could get some perspective from it or just have a good chuckle.

Kinda ironic how this LR thread keeps getting bumped on an off-topic discussion I already apologized for 6 days ago.


Just catching up on this thread and I had to respond after seeing your post, your rant could not have been more wrong. Firstly no one in the BW community is in it for money. Secondly it is no surprise they didn't cover the BW scene when SC2 was around because their employer literally switched games and even most BW pros switched over during that period. Thirdly, they have to sustain their living in Korea somehow, they are doing this cast based on love for the game but you might as well get something back for doing it and looking by their support received, the community is more than happy to do so. Lastly Tastosis (especially Artosis) is doing more for the BW foreign scene through his stream than anyone has over the past 2 years.

Anyway hope you get more background information on this. We should just be happy BW is alive and well in 2021!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 15 2021 17:16 GMT
#430
If my rant could not have been more wrong how come multiple people agree with me instead of all being against me?

I never faulted Tastosis for their career choices and of course money plays an important role, it's hard to sustain a life on just passion lol.

If anyone did A LOT for the foreign BW scene over the past 2 years it would be Mr. Bombastic and his comrades and also TL's BW staff, most particularly BLinD-RawR. (I'd love to see more people pay their respects to this amazing guy btw.)

It's clear we have a different perspective, but that's not by lack of background information on my end.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
June 15 2021 20:05 GMT
#431
Let’s get back on topic. If you guys want to discuss Tastosis vs. Scan/Nyoken, then please create some kind of designated casters’ feedback thread or something.
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
June 15 2021 20:29 GMT
#432
So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool.

https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj=
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-17 05:54:17
June 17 2021 05:52 GMT
#433
On June 16 2021 05:29 whaski wrote:
So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool.

https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj=

I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper.
May the BeSt man win.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
June 17 2021 07:24 GMT
#434
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2021 05:29 whaski wrote:
So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool.

https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj=

I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper.


To be fair, his own source already disproved one of his claims?
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
June 17 2021 13:57 GMT
#435
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2021 05:29 whaski wrote:
So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool.

https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj=

I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper.


I didn't mean to rant about balance, but to discuss aftermath of what could have been a change of pvz.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10341 Posts
June 18 2021 01:48 GMT
#436
I've watched this series thrice. My belief is that Mini basically out-thought himself and lost confidence. Namely, he had these critical, intensely-calculated timing windows he exploited against Queen, then assumed Larva would adapt to it and rolled out some head-scratchers. "I know this, but I know that YOU know that I know that if I open with this..."

He was very emotional with the result of each game, so much more than Larva. It was not the un-shakable mini we saw versus Queen, who tilted his head a few time after a botched cannon rush into rolling in the semifinals. And then the decision to proxy-gate in game seven... With everything on the line, all your PvZ prowess, you go for that?

Props to Larva for not tilting when the going got tough, versus both Rush and Mini.

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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
June 18 2021 02:14 GMT
#437
Mini has always been a super emotional player though. I guess not so much when he's rolling a big name like Queen, lol, but it's hardly like he was uniquely emotional in the final. You probably weren't saying that anyway, but I think it's good to clarify the context.
The original Bogus fan.
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-18 08:31:22
June 18 2021 08:30 GMT
#438
On June 17 2021 14:52 Djabanete wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2021 05:29 whaski wrote:
So all in all Mini did not change big picture, Protoss as a race is struggling heavily online (except Bisu) and Zerg is overall strongest with current league mappool.

https://sponbbang.com/race/?month1=2021-05&month2=2021-06&bj=

I love how, as soon as the “who’s the best English-speaking BW casting team” debate gets shut down, you go and bring up the state of PvZ. Props to you, my friend. May the thread prosper.

hahahahahaha
On June 18 2021 10:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I've watched this series thrice. My belief is that Mini basically out-thought himself and lost confidence. Namely, he had these critical, intensely-calculated timing windows he exploited against Queen, then assumed Larva would adapt to it and rolled out some head-scratchers. "I know this, but I know that YOU know that I know that if I open with this..."

He was very emotional with the result of each game, so much more than Larva. It was not the un-shakable mini we saw versus Queen, who tilted his head a few time after a botched cannon rush into rolling in the semifinals. And then the decision to proxy-gate in game seven... With everything on the line, all your PvZ prowess, you go for that?

Props to Larva for not tilting when the going got tough, versus both Rush and Mini.


hmm interesting point. That's the downside his tricky playstyle i guess. Every time you do a trick you expose yourself
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-18 09:23:15
June 18 2021 09:21 GMT
#439
He may make overt displays of tiltedness on camera, but I have faith in Mini. If this era of BW has shown us anything, it's that even players previously considered perennial chokers can build the mental fortitude needed to become a champion. Hell, Mini's already come super close so many times now, and that's despite being only 27 years old with military service done. It'd be weird if he didn't win a title in the next couple of years, especially with Flash gone. + Show Spoiler +
Either that or we got a resurrected Kong line lolz
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
June 18 2021 10:34 GMT
#440
On June 18 2021 18:21 reincremate wrote:
He may make overt displays of tiltedness on camera, but I have faith in Mini. If this era of BW has shown us anything, it's that even players previously considered perennial chokers can build the mental fortitude needed to become a champion. Hell, Mini's already come super close so many times now, and that's despite being only 27 years old with military service done. It'd be weird if he didn't win a title in the next couple of years, especially with Flash gone. + Show Spoiler +
Either that or we got a resurrected Kong line lolz

This is also a good point. Getting very emotional after losses doesn't necessarily mean you're not operating at 100% in the next game, that's a bit of an assumption.
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