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On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote:
Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community.
Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day.
I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis.
It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest.
/end rant
Lol... if this post was edited to not be inflammatory, I shudder to think what the original was like.
"I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest."
What would you suggest he do? Watch the ASL finals before he cast it?
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On June 12 2021 02:09 flashimba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote:
Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community.
Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day.
I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis.
It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest.
/end rant Lol... if this post was edited to not be inflammatory, I shudder to think what the original was like. "I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest." What would you suggest he do? Watch the ASL finals before he cast it?
First off, congrats to Larva, really happy that he won! Saw that FlaSh farewell video and he actually kept his promise!
Now...after reading through the thread, I'm actually surprised as well what is getting written about Tastosis. They're mainly in it for the money? Wow, what a disrespectful thing to write about people who have been a big part of this game for so so long.
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On June 11 2021 14:12 coverpunch wrote:
FYI, does anyone know who did the production value for Tastosis? In particular, someone subtitled all of the portions where Korean players are speaking. Scan isn't an interpreter and he clearly struggled in the mix of following Korean speakers and being able to translate it to English. Even more, someone translated the middle parts between ads where they do funny little interviews with the players, which Scan and Nyoken ignored.
Probably AfreecaTV did it, and of course i'm not an interpreter. Although I'm sure I translated most of the part when Korean speakers were doing their interviews. I've watched some of old ASL English commentary, a person who was translating what the players were saying dropped irrelevant stuff or even not mentioning about important parts. They don't have time for everything. So please don't put a comment like I translated badly. I feel unappreciated.
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On June 12 2021 06:03 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2021 14:12 coverpunch wrote:
FYI, does anyone know who did the production value for Tastosis? In particular, someone subtitled all of the portions where Korean players are speaking. Scan isn't an interpreter and he clearly struggled in the mix of following Korean speakers and being able to translate it to English. Even more, someone translated the middle parts between ads where they do funny little interviews with the players, which Scan and Nyoken ignored. Probably AfreecaTV did it, and of course i'm not an interpreter. Although I'm sure I translated most of the part when Korean speakers were doing their interviews. I've watched some of old ASL English commentary, a person who was translating what the players were saying dropped irrelevant stuff or even not mentioning about important parts. They don't have time for everything. So please don't put a comment like I translated badly. I feel unappreciated.
Don't, you did a really good job! Translating on the fly and speaking while another person is already continuing to speak (which you also need to translate) is freaking hard. Very different to sub-titling, which is not hard, just time-consuming.
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On June 11 2021 22:02 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2021 18:09 ColdLava wrote:
Late to the game but I was watching via tastosis on Afreeca's YT channel.
Just loving that Larva won - you can tell he doesn't have quite the skillset of the people who were actually pros back in the day (I believe he was a practice player for SKT1?). His gameplay just isn't quite as clean, and he might lose the odd unit here and there. His money spikes up sometimes (though that's more common with zerg). But, is he ever a smart player or what?
It seems he has an ability that Savior had which is he can utilize his army in a way that manipulates how his opponent uses theirs, utilizing that when he needs to delay to get defense, or utilizing that to get a good flank, etc. It's like watching controlled chaos. Larva's army movement is fun to watch on the mini-map, too.
Was also just super impressed with how often he'd have the right defense at the right time at the right place, or the right tech come out at the right time. Or how well he scouted, too.
And with the passion he has, it's so well deserved. Ehhh, I would, doubt that quite a bit. It's no secret that relative to his peers, Larva is on the weaker side when it comes to microing his units but his macro ability is all-time spectacular. What are you even talking about.. Just in general, Zergs at their peak in the last few years have been far more impressive than the random clusterfuck you would see sometimes in the 08-12 era. Meta-wise, also Zerg is the race that has had the most innovation out of all.
Skill level was probably not the best way to put it, maybe "polish" was a better term. But I think you can surmise what I mean by reading my post - he's not the cleanest looking player in terms of how he plays, but he makes up for it by having a very good strategical feel for the game. Obviously his macro is ridiculous, he wouldn't be able to win an ASL without that.
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Thank you so much to Scan, Nyoken, Artosis and Tasteless for the commentary! Very much appreciate all the work you've put in.
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The subtitles are really a great sell to watch Tastosis, it is hard to get stuff like this there is a lot of nice info there about the players.
While on Scan stream there is more about the game.
I will be watching both as Brood War and SC2 are quite slow for sad reasons.
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blargh. I wanted Larva to do well for the storyline but I am so bitter and bummed my protoss bro couldn't pull it off. I was so stoked after Mini v zero. I did not expect that.
Good Series. Disappointing end but Larva was always going to be tricky for mini to deal with. Hoping for that PvZ revolution still.
Weak ASL compared to the past. Feel like we had more bad series than normal but tbh we had some ridiculous ASLs last year so some mean reversion could be expected. Really enjoyed having both casts. Both are did well and provide something different. Tastosis for me is just more fun to play in the background and just be part of the general experience. Nyoken and Scan imo have *the* definitive cast of Mini V Larva. They are really tapped into all the details. Scan is getting quite smooth as well.
Glad both are supported. Enjoyed their work collectively.
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On June 12 2021 07:21 ColdLava wrote:
Skill level was probably not the best way to put it, maybe "polish" was a better term. But I think you can surmise what I mean by reading my post - he's not the cleanest looking player in terms of how he plays, but he makes up for it by having a very good strategical feel for the game. Obviously his macro is ridiculous, he wouldn't be able to win an ASL without that.
Sure, this is mostly true.
But he did out-micro Hero in their match several times as well though.
He is a well deserved champion, he completely read the timing of Minis fake cannon rush in game 1 and then he did a great job obfuscating and hiding his 2 hatch hydra.
He didn't over-commit his hydra bust in game 2 but just picked off +1 and Mini wasted so many zealots for nothing there.
With that lead he had a massive advantage and Mini almost made a comeback but Larva did really well!
It was great to have the subtitles on the Tastosis casts and I hope they can streamline the production more moving forward and that we get the ASTL casted as well!
Great job by Nyoken and Scan doing the live commentary, I wish there was some way to get a bit more of that deeper tactical insight into the Tastosis production.
But either way, this turned out way better than I expected when I first heard the news that Afreeca dropped the English cast for ASL.
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On June 12 2021 17:11 Barneyk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2021 07:21 ColdLava wrote:
Skill level was probably not the best way to put it, maybe "polish" was a better term. But I think you can surmise what I mean by reading my post - he's not the cleanest looking player in terms of how he plays, but he makes up for it by having a very good strategical feel for the game. Obviously his macro is ridiculous, he wouldn't be able to win an ASL without that.
Sure, this is mostly true. But he did out-micro Hero in their match several times as well though. He is a well deserved champion, he completely read the timing of Minis fake cannon rush in game 1 and then he did a great job obfuscating and hiding his 2 hatch hydra. He didn't over-commit his hydra bust in game 2 but just picked off +1 and Mini wasted so many zealots for nothing there. With that lead he had a massive advantage and Mini almost made a comeback but Larva did really well!
I totally agree!
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It was so cringe when Tastosis dragged on some unfunny jokes instead of commentating what's actually happening, they even kept going on about the "joke" when lings got in Mini's base and actively harrassed him.
Otherwise I think they are fine and they have a good casual vibe which Scan+Nyoken doesn't have. Pick whichever you prefer, you don't have to fight about it.
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A nice scrappy bo7! Congrats to Larva. :}
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Finally got around to watching the series -- was really enjoyable. Happy that Larva was able to take it all.
Mini doing some really interesting greedy builds, hopefully some other pros start emulating what he is doing. That said, I wonder how he would handle a player just deciding to aggressively punish every game.
Muta/scourge play feels kinda weak against what mini was doing; is that just a result of Larva's control against double stargate corsair or is there really no good way to play muta/scourge into 2 sg?
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I just want to say this was one of the best final of ASL! That was so close and tense!
I'm just so happy for Larva!
Keep fighting and long live this amazing game that is StarCraft!
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Will Scan and Nyoken cast of the finals be available on Youtube?
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On June 13 2021 06:20 Amanebak wrote:
Will Scan and Nyoken cast of the finals be available on Youtube?
Already is!
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I agree with you Peeano.
I do love Tastosis but, in their going solo--or i guess duo--it does feel like a lot of self-promo and some forced entrepreneurialisms--much more so obviously than when they were officially employed by Afreeca. The casting is good overall, but inconsistent from match to match. Depending on how much heavy food Tasteless ate, maybe. I really loved their group A cast in the ro16, but some days they seem bored. Or that the results got spoiled or the timecode gave it away, or they were just not feeling it that day. Sometimes it seems like they're just going through the motions.
I guess making $14K/month makes you go "holy shit! Let's fucking keep this going!" and colors the brand a little bit?
I might have to give Scan and Nyoken a shot. I appreciate I get to watch the English streams. Still love Tastosis, and I imagine they'll continue to improve the cast. And not make too much exclusive-to-patreon content. The "twitch only" king of the hill already feels a little weird to me. ;\
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I haven't listened to their casts since the switch because I prefer to watch the games sooner rather than later. But I could totally imagine it going that way. Now they have to be somewhat conscious that their livelihood rides on the viewer, and it colours their content. You see it in every big Youtuber that starts to slip when they make it big enough to start looking properly at their analytics, etc. Casting things live from a guaranteed job must feel different, even if it's on a less conscious level. I wouldn't rush to say they are "forcing it" or have "lost passion". In a way this is almost inevitable.
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This is crazy. Artosis recommends Liquipedia specially. or CPL. He even wear TL shirts.. He hosted not long ago a huge invitational tournament for NA players . I think it was called Ascension. He is also the biggest Broodwar streamer on twitch.
I dont really get what you guys complain about ? You are unhappy Tastosis is making money from casting ASL ? is that the issue here ? I find more strange that Teamliquid host TSL 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 only for sc2 and not a single one for Brood war. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/64jayrf.jpg)
Sorry for taking such a bad picture Artosis xD.
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