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On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote:
Seeing all this Tastosis talk on TL, it would color them well if they inform their fanbase a bit better about TL and BW's community.
Tastosis may be big fans of BW, but they're mainly in it for the money (which is not too surprising, as casting is their profession). The latter being very apparent when they first started casting BW again and didn't even know what half of the units are called anymore, nor had any idea about how the game is played. It was really painful to watch, especially since Tasteless' casting on GomTV is what got me hooked me on watching Korean BW back in the day.
I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis.
It feels like Tastosis are just doing their thing in their own bubble, only interested in promoting their own brand. I even saw Tasteless streaming himself playing BW during the live ASL Final. That felt really awkward to say the least, kinda disrespectful actually. I really needed to get that off of my chest.
/end rant This should be very obvious. I barely play any BW and I can read who's gonna win better than Artosis who probably plays the game every day. He would say "Oh X can still have a chance to win if he does Y and Z" when the game is obviously over for X (say Zerg has a control group of mutas while Terran only has a few turrets + marines standing and crippled production) and X taps out 20 seconds afterwards. It's really grating on the listener because it has kept happening again and again. I also much prefer listening to Scan/Nyoken because they understand the thought process of players.
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Could finally watch this just now. Not exactly top games, but what a tension after that reaver-game, and really moving to see Larva so emotional and close to tears (I think?) in the end.
edit: OMG, just now saw the nostalgia-outro.   They really know how to put these together to make you crack.
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Tastosis is great for casual and new fans. It's more entertaining and funny for a broader audience.
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Bisutopia19381 Posts
This might have been the closest LB finals in history.
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On June 06 2021 22:41 Peeano wrote:
I for one really enjoyed Nyoken and Scan's casting. They understand the game at a very high level and are also well informed with the almost all of BW's history, unlike Tastosis.
I had to dust off this account to point out how absurd it is to suggest that Tastosis are not well informed on BW's history.
Enjoyed the series.
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Netherlands5724 Posts
You're not the first person to twist my words.Tastosis know parts of the history (again not surprising since they were absent and not invested into BW for years. Now you could argue they know the majority, but the majority is still not "almost all", which is what I wrote.
Happy to have you back! 
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Scan + Nyoken are far better casters than Tastosis imo. The in-depth game & player knowledge that Nyoken and Scan provide is miles ahead. Tastosis feels more like a podcast than a starcraft commentary/cast.
Majority of the time Tastosis talk about irrelevant stuff and completely miss out on whats happening in the game, they are more concerned about being stand up comedians than actual Brood War casters. I recall so many times where the game had went on for like 3-5 minutes and Tastosis were clueless about what happened in the game, didnt know who was in advantage and completely missed the builds the players went for because they were occupied with talking about other things. It makes the watching experience worse for me when they are talking about something irrelevant which doesnt sync with whats happening on the screen.
On the other hand, Scan and Nyoken doesnt miss a beat, you could basically be blind and listen to Scans and Nyokens cast and still be able to comprehend whats going on in the game. I really enjoyed Scan and Nyoken casts alot more, they have done a great job and I hope that they continue casting.
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I, for one, don't get Tatstosis fanboys at all. When they got back to casting BW, their commentary was so bad, that i was seriously considering muting the stream. It was that unique experience when casting was actually distracting from what's going on in game instead of helping you follow. Both of them were completely out of it, and most of the time they spent giggling on some silly jokes, and it could take minutes till the laughing fits stopped. And when they had something to say about that game, it always started with: "for the people that don't play this game" or "for sc2 players out there" and then they explained some absolutely trivial concept like mineral walk. It tilted me to no end.
Ever since Artosis started playing starcraft 1 again, it drastically improved, now at least one of them has anything to say about what's going on, but, sadly, Tasteless is still lost most of the time, unless its translation time, where he shines.
In short I would prefer ANY stream in language I understand to Tastosis, and Nyoken+Scan was incredibly good too. Sure, Scan may not be as fluent in commentary as english native speakers, but I can tell he's trying to improve (e.g. I no longer hear his pet phrase: "I also want to point out..."). But what's much more important his expertise is invaluable, and he often gives very accurate insights on what happened or going to happen, exactly what caster should do. I can't even think of single thing i would complain about Nyoken, which means he did brilliantly.
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Bisutopia19381 Posts
To add to the caster debate, I gotta say the Korean casters were brilliant in this finals. The brought amazing energy and got excited constantly throughout these games. My wife and baby daughter had a great time hearing them yell across the house.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51226 Posts
On June 07 2021 23:54 BisuDagger wrote:
To add to the caster debate, I gotta say the Korean casters were brilliant in this finals. The brought amazing energy and got excited constantly throughout these games. My wife and baby daughter had a great time hearing them yell across the house.
but what did lil dagger have to say?
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Bisutopia19381 Posts
On June 08 2021 00:53 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2021 23:54 BisuDagger wrote:
To add to the caster debate, I gotta say the Korean casters were brilliant in this finals. The brought amazing energy and got excited constantly throughout these games. My wife and baby daughter had a great time hearing them yell across the house. but what did lil dagger have to say?
He wasn't at home while I watched the finals. But usually he is busy playing with my Starcraft Risk Set while I work.
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Congrats to Larva, long time coming! While it always brings up the tension when someone all-ins in game 7 of the finals, I would have liked to see a more standard game on FS; the end was a little underwhelming. Still, good games! Mini had sharp timings as he did against Zero but it felt like Larva had the upper hand in terms of strategy for most of the series.
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Source for finals VOD? Artosis is taking a billion years to post videos I went for Scan cast.
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Wow, so much hate for Tastosis out of nowhere. I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live and then this thread exploded. I don't know if me or you guys derailing this finals thread into Tastosis hate thread. I know they were so bad when they started casting that Bisu vs. EffOrt finals on VANT but we used to watch them for 10 seasons straight and they're becoming better. Why you even need to bring this out of nowhere now? Jeez didn't think there were so many haters here, it's like Tastosis is a trigger word for them.
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Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site.
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive.
You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting.
This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it.
What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community.
It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy.
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On June 08 2021 11:00 Timebon3s wrote:
Keep in mind that this is an extremely elitist site.
If you take a look at Tastosis’ YouTube uploads from this ASL, you see tens of thousands of views within minutes of the upload, and the YouTube comments are very positive.
You don’t have to be extremely knowledgeable about the game to enjoy watching it, and their cast is better IMO for more casual viewer, while hardcore bw fans would naturally appreciate Nyoken and Scans in depth casting.
This place has always been hard on commentators anyway, so don’t read too much into it.
What personally annoyed me is the delay of the videos without any communication to the community of why it’s so delayed, especially since they got over 10k from said community.
It wouldn’t have killed them to make an announcement of some sort. Feels lazy.
WTF... No communication ? Joke ?
I dont even watch their casts ... THey annouced everything on their twitch channels, and Casts ...
They delay because they get the vods later raw and can post it on the afreeca channel, so it is avaible for eternity... And since they have a twitch partnership or whatever they cant just commentate or something on afreeca Website directly. They can only do it via youtube... Either way, from the beginning it was clear that delays will happen... Why are you surprised lol ... If you really cared about the fact that they are delayed, you already would known it lol ... Afreeca doesnt want to let them commentate on a other streaming service live... Afreeca= Streaming service... Something like that anyway... So in that regard there was more than rumors, but maybe they didnt display it that openly... If that is the case, kind of sad... I agree.
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Russian Federation1894 Posts
On June 07 2021 22:13 BisuDagger wrote:This might have been the closest LB finals in history. And one of the most precise, considering the final score
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What a series of amazing games! Is Mini the new Protoss revolutionist? :o
I'm so happy for Larva, the madman has finally made it!
On June 07 2021 23:03 Oya187 wrote:
Scan + Nyoken are far better casters than Tastosis imo. The in-depth game & player knowledge that Nyoken and Scan provide is miles ahead. Tastosis feels more like a podcast than a starcraft commentary/cast.
Majority of the time Tastosis talk about irrelevant stuff and completely miss out on whats happening in the game, they are more concerned about being stand up comedians than actual Brood War casters. I recall so many times where the game had went on for like 3-5 minutes and Tastosis were clueless about what happened in the game, didnt know who was in advantage and completely missed the builds the players went for because they were occupied with talking about other things. It makes the watching experience worse for me when they are talking about something irrelevant which doesnt sync with whats happening on the screen.
On the other hand, Scan and Nyoken doesnt miss a beat, you could basically be blind and listen to Scans and Nyokens cast and still be able to comprehend whats going on in the game. I really enjoyed Scan and Nyoken casts alot more, they have done a great job and I hope that they continue casting.
yes Tastosis really make me laugh and they excel at that, but they cater more to casual viewers.
Scan and Nyoken are super sharp and they're watching for the tiniest of details (imo) and they keep their eye on the gas and all the little spots on the map. They are more dedicated to the game and I think they deserve the spot more. I've been rooting for Nyoken ever since I watched his youtube casts.
Whereas Tastosis have constantly had to admit they weren't paying attention to what the opening even was.
On June 06 2021 21:33 konadora wrote:
"i said this in the ro8, but i honestly worked so hard for this ASL thinking "life is shit if i drop out now". best, stork (and a few other players, i didnt catch them) helped me so much out with practice, and huge thanks to my wife for supporting me through my life journey. and honestly, i had lots of messages from my fans and subscribers, but because i didn't want to get too much in emotions, i didn't even reply any DMs for the last 3 days and just practiced. i'm so grateful for all the support and love, and hope you continue to support me."
On June 06 2021 21:28 konadora wrote:
man the words of larva hits home even harder
when flash was enlisted to the military, larva told flash "looks like i'll have to take up the mantle now"
and he's finally succeeded
On June 06 2021 21:34 TaardadAiel wrote:
I gotta hand it to larva, he was a punching bag for Flash and Last, he was crying and humping the huge Pikachu in his room on stream after he lost 8 in a row to JD... And now he's the ASL champ. Hard work evidently does pay off.
But man, what does a guy have to do to bet against Zerg in a finals and win? I'm a simple man :/
yea T_T I've rooting for him for several years, his day has finally come
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is awesome32281 Posts
On June 06 2021 21:47 outscar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2021 21:45 Ikirouta wrote:On June 06 2021 21:37 outscar wrote:
Hey Kevin the GOAT CEO, how about you will make Tastosis stream comeback next ASL? We wanna watch english commentary live pls. nyoken + scan is live, wdym? Yeah I know props to them but my cup of tea is Tastosis and I want them back.
*outscar derails the thread*
Some users: "We prefer Nyoken & Scan"
On June 08 2021 06:15 outscar wrote:
Wow, so much hate for Tastosis out of nowhere. I only pointed out that I wanted them back to watch them live and then this thread exploded. I don't know if me or you guys derailing this finals thread into Tastosis hate thread. I know they were so bad when they started casting that Bisu vs. EffOrt finals on VANT but we used to watch them for 10 seasons straight and they're becoming better. Why you even need to bring this out of nowhere now? Jeez didn't think there were so many haters here, it's like Tastosis is a trigger word for them.
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