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On July 31 2019 08:19 FakeFin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2019 08:07 Xain0n wrote:On July 30 2019 23:39 lepape wrote: Snow vs Flash in ASL5 quarterfinals was one of the best series I've seen, let's hope we'll get a Snow vs Flash finals.
TvT finals would be a disapointment though, no player comes even close against Flash in that matchup. Flash is not granted to beat Last, actually. Action vs Flash could be good, too, but I would love to see Snow beat Flash 3-2 in the finals. Finals will be bo7 though, so the chances of Snow beating Flash will be very low
Did they change the format? It was bo5 in ASL and bo7 in KSL.
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On July 31 2019 00:01 FlopTurnReaver wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 22:00 RowdierBob wrote: That Flash mech build vs Zerg is brutal. Not sure how you beat it but those muta openings are not a good idea it seems. I'd still like to see a Zerg going for early Hydras vs this (apart from ZeLot's failed rush). The early vulture harass seems key. If Flash does any sort of meaningful damage he gets a huge mid and late game advantage he doesn’t let go of.
I agree in that I wonder if hydra is a better opening to deal with the harass and then maybe move to muta once the zergs eco is stronger.
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On July 31 2019 08:40 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2019 08:19 FakeFin wrote:On July 31 2019 08:07 Xain0n wrote:On July 30 2019 23:39 lepape wrote: Snow vs Flash in ASL5 quarterfinals was one of the best series I've seen, let's hope we'll get a Snow vs Flash finals.
TvT finals would be a disapointment though, no player comes even close against Flash in that matchup. Flash is not granted to beat Last, actually. Action vs Flash could be good, too, but I would love to see Snow beat Flash 3-2 in the finals. Finals will be bo7 though, so the chances of Snow beating Flash will be very low Did they change the format? It was bo5 in ASL and bo7 in KSL. Yes, ASL finals are now also bo7, semifinals are still bo5
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On July 30 2019 22:41 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 21:58 VioleTAK wrote: Was really hoping for Flash and Rain on opposite sides... Flash Rain won't be as good as some people think. Rain's PvT is a lot weaker than most people give him credit for and he lost to Last and Sharp who are way behind Flash is TvP. Flash vs Snow would be a much better matchup.
Wtf? You are wrong on so many levels
Rain consistantly beats Flash (yes, on ladder + sponsored matches but they haven't met off line)
Rain has owned Last's number except for the last time where Rain got EXTREMELY unlucky and LOST 2-3
He owned Sharp pretty easily in his KSL Championship run
Rain vs. Flash will be fucking incredible and Rain has a GREAT shot at beating him, Flash even admits this
Literally the only thing Rain needs to do to fix his TvP is to put his fucking templars in some shuttles and hes set
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On August 01 2019 06:02 ShowTheLights wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2019 22:41 Dante08 wrote:On July 30 2019 21:58 VioleTAK wrote: Was really hoping for Flash and Rain on opposite sides... Flash Rain won't be as good as some people think. Rain's PvT is a lot weaker than most people give him credit for and he lost to Last and Sharp who are way behind Flash is TvP. Flash vs Snow would be a much better matchup. Wtf? You are wrong on so many levels Rain consistantly beats Flash (yes, on ladder + sponsored matches but they haven't met off line) Rain has owned Last's number except for the last time where Rain got EXTREMELY unlucky and LOST 2-3 He owned Sharp pretty easily in his KSL Championship run Rain vs. Flash will be fucking incredible and Rain has a GREAT shot at beating him, Flash even admits this Literally the only thing Rain needs to do to fix his TvP is to put his fucking templars in some shuttles and hes set
From what I can decipher on sponbang, Rain has a 5:31 or ~14% win rate against Flash this year, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Snow more than double his win rate at 11:25/30.5%. Both of them probably have better odds against Flash in a prepared offline tournament than those stats suggest, but Rain's going to have to prepare insanely well to have a "GREAT shot" at beating Flash.
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I don't think Snow is >30% v Flash in a boX. Probably 20 or 25%. I'd put Rain about the same. Flash is absurdly dominant.
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I had to login to watch the over 19 video of Soulkey getting his head shaved by Guemchi. He sure looks different.
His last three VODs might be worth a look.
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Bulgaria750 Posts
On August 01 2019 14:37 QOGQOG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2019 06:02 ShowTheLights wrote:On July 30 2019 22:41 Dante08 wrote:On July 30 2019 21:58 VioleTAK wrote: Was really hoping for Flash and Rain on opposite sides... Flash Rain won't be as good as some people think. Rain's PvT is a lot weaker than most people give him credit for and he lost to Last and Sharp who are way behind Flash is TvP. Flash vs Snow would be a much better matchup. Wtf? You are wrong on so many levels Rain consistantly beats Flash (yes, on ladder + sponsored matches but they haven't met off line) Rain has owned Last's number except for the last time where Rain got EXTREMELY unlucky and LOST 2-3 He owned Sharp pretty easily in his KSL Championship run Rain vs. Flash will be fucking incredible and Rain has a GREAT shot at beating him, Flash even admits this Literally the only thing Rain needs to do to fix his TvP is to put his fucking templars in some shuttles and hes set From what I can decipher on sponbang, Rain has a 5:31 or ~14% win rate against Flash this year, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Snow more than double his win rate at 11:25/30.5%. Both of them probably have better odds against Flash in a prepared offline tournament than those stats suggest, but Rain's going to have to prepare insanely well to have a "GREAT shot" at beating Flash.
I completely agree with this and the stats are correct.
Month by month, the Protoss players with the most consistent chance of beating Flash have been Best and Snow, especially considering sample sizes. More recently so possibly more relevant to this particular tournament, Snow has a 2-2 record against him since June, but that's too small a sample size to compare to the 20 games (13-7) Flash has played versus Best or the 33 (24-9) versus Stork in that same timeframe. Rain has lost 7 of the 9 games between the two, not too reassuring but a rather small sample size as well. All of those are on the ASL8 maps.
Granted, online stats do not readily translate into probability of winning in an offline best-of series, but still, I'd consider Snow and Best far more dangerous than Rain.
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Those are facts, but the sickest thing, for me at least, is when it comes to offline match. Not only Best (snow doesnt look affected much) is under performing to say the least, but Flash's game step up to another level. edit: Rain's game also step up in offline matchs, but i do agree that his chances of beating Flash are lower than snow.
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Bulgaria750 Posts
Best does choke massively offline, this is true. But last time he's had a best-of series with a Terran in an offline tournament was his schooling of Mind 3-0 in KSL1. He tends to choke in bo1s and get REKT by other protosses in bo5s, but he does that on stream too anyway.
Must be really frustrating to root for the guy, he's so awesome on stream. Still, should he EVER reach the elimination phase of the ASL, I'd consider him the most dangerous opposition for any Terran alongside Snow.
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