The early vulture harass seems key. If Flash does any sort of meaningful damage he gets a huge mid and late game advantage he doesn’t let go of.

I agree in that I wonder if hydra is a better opening to deal with the harass and then maybe move to muta once the zergs eco is stronger.

FakeFin

Germany392 Posts

July 31 2019 13:06 GMT

#103

On July 31 2019 08:40 Xain0n wrote:

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Did they change the format? It was bo5 in ASL and bo7 in KSL.

Yes, ASL finals are now also bo7, semifinals are still bo5

ShowTheLights

Korea (South)1688 Posts

July 31 2019 21:02 GMT

#104

On July 30 2019 22:41 Dante08 wrote:

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Flash Rain won't be as good as some people think. Rain's PvT is a lot weaker than most people give him credit for and he lost to Last and Sharp who are way behind Flash is TvP.

Flash vs Snow would be a much better matchup.

Wtf? You are wrong on so many levels

Rain consistantly beats Flash (yes, on ladder + sponsored matches but they haven't met off line)

Rain has owned Last's number except for the last time where Rain got EXTREMELY unlucky and LOST 2-3

He owned Sharp pretty easily in his KSL Championship run

Rain vs. Flash will be fucking incredible and Rain has a GREAT shot at beating him, Flash even admits this

Literally the only thing Rain needs to do to fix his TvP is to put his fucking templars in some shuttles and hes set

QOGQOG

834 Posts

August 01 2019 05:37 GMT

#105

On August 01 2019 06:02 ShowTheLights wrote:

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From what I can decipher on sponbang, Rain has a 5:31 or ~14% win rate against Flash this year, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Snow more than double his win rate at 11:25/30.5%. Both of them probably have better odds against Flash in a prepared offline tournament than those stats suggest, but Rain's going to have to prepare insanely well to have a "GREAT shot" at beating Flash.

KamMoye

United States721 Posts

August 02 2019 01:09 GMT

#106

I don't think Snow is >30% v Flash in a boX. Probably 20 or 25%. I'd put Rain about the same. Flash is absurdly dominant.

Nematocyst

United States164 Posts

August 02 2019 01:59 GMT

#107

I had to login to watch the over 19 video of Soulkey getting his head shaved by Guemchi. He sure looks different.

His last three VODs might be worth a look.

TaardadAiel

Bulgaria750 Posts

August 02 2019 12:57 GMT

#108

On August 01 2019 14:37 QOGQOG wrote:

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I completely agree with this and the stats are correct.

Month by month, the Protoss players with the most consistent chance of beating Flash have been Best and Snow, especially considering sample sizes. More recently so possibly more relevant to this particular tournament, Snow has a 2-2 record against him since June, but that's too small a sample size to compare to the 20 games (13-7) Flash has played versus Best or the 33 (24-9) versus Stork in that same timeframe. Rain has lost 7 of the 9 games between the two, not too reassuring but a rather small sample size as well. All of those are on the ASL8 maps.

Granted, online stats do not readily translate into probability of winning in an offline best-of series, but still, I'd consider Snow and Best far more dangerous than Rain.

TornadoSteve

1026 Posts

August 02 2019 13:35 GMT

#109

Those are facts, but the sickest thing, for me at least, is when it comes to offline match.
Not only Best (snow doesnt look affected much) is under performing to say the least, but Flash's game step up to another level.
edit: Rain's game also step up in offline matchs, but i do agree that his chances of beating Flash are lower than snow.

TaardadAiel

Bulgaria750 Posts

August 02 2019 14:47 GMT

#110

Best does choke massively offline, this is true. But last time he's had a best-of series with a Terran in an offline tournament was his schooling of Mind 3-0 in KSL1. He tends to choke in bo1s and get REKT by other protosses in bo5s, but he does that on stream too anyway.

Must be really frustrating to root for the guy, he's so awesome on stream. Still, should he EVER reach the elimination phase of the ASL, I'd consider him the most dangerous opposition for any Terran alongside Snow.