Rookie Teamleague 2

On November 29 2017 06:11 twking wrote:
So, if i want to register as an open player, do I write in this thread?

By the way, i like https://namu.wiki/w/망월 this map.

On November 29 2017 06:15 Eywa- wrote:
Hmm.. Cool event... Faust, do I qualify despite my peak being higher than the cutoff?

https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-east/StarV?v=ladder_stats

On November 29 2017 06:20 twking wrote:
Thanks. https://starlog.gg/ko/profile/us-west/Kanzaki_Ranko?v=ladder_stats

This is my ID right now. My peak is 1894, but that is just I did 4 drones 5 times in a row and win XD

My race is basically random or selecting races depends on enemy's race. Mainly Terran.

On November 29 2017 06:21 SCC-Faust wrote:


It appears I'm fucking retarded. I based the idea of checking people's starlog.gg profiles off the fact that you can openly see pro player profiles (I was even able to search a 2,500 MMR Soulkey account and see his whole match history along with build orders). Maybe I'm unsure how the website works. Did you link your starlog.gg to your battle.net account cause atm it says "We could not verify this user's account. Only partial matching information is available. If this account is yours, please enter the battle tag or sign-in." for me.

Basically, my word on whether people can join or not if they peaked over 1,800 is "yes". If you're like at a 70%-80% win-ratio and sitting at 1800 or around there, obviously it would be hard to believe that your true MMR is near 1,800. I can't see your profile at all, but if you fall under the former, you are more than welcome to play in the league.

On November 29 2017 08:31 MarcoJ wrote:
btw it would be kinda neat if all participants try to spread the self equally based on MMR/Skill. Sure some people want to play together, but if one team consists just of players hitting the MMR limit it might get quite boring eventually.

P.S: I assume the 24th will be no games?

On November 29 2017 06:46 unoriginal_usernam3 wrote:
Super cool of you Faust for hosting again!

Suggestion: Some sort of draft or way to even the teams up. For example I'm like 1500 mmr and would love to anchor one of the better players/team down to the "rookie" level

On November 29 2017 06:27 HaN- wrote:
Fuck my MMR is too high for this T_T

On November 29 2017 08:39 FlaShFTW wrote:
wait cap at 1800 mmr? I definitely feel like I'm a mid-skilled player but peaked at 2k mmr a few months ago when i actually played.

On November 29 2017 08:46 flex_money wrote:
hi, i'd like to enter the 1v1 bracket. my race is Zerg, here is my starlog profile https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-west/lurks

On November 29 2017 06:15 Eywa- wrote:
Hmm.. Cool event... Faust, do I qualify despite my peak being higher than the cutoff?

https://starlog.gg/en/profile/us-east/StarV?v=ladder_stats

On November 29 2017 12:38 GGMrTea wrote:
how is 2k mmr "mid-skilled". It is literally the lowest league.

On November 30 2017 02:21 xccam wrote:
" What 3v3 map do you prefer? Other please specify in thread"
Team Melee - honestly the best part of season one.

On December 01 2017 01:02 iopq wrote:
Why are there so many team games, though? We were so shit at 3v3, we're going to lose 2v2 as well I think.

On November 30 2017 18:53 SCC-Faust wrote:
Captain's Log, Stardate: November 30th, 2017.

[inhales] Just a short update.

• VOTE IN THE POLLS - All polls will be closed this Sunday. At this time the league will take it's final shape. A time and the format will be completely decided. I have added a team melee poll so please be sure to re-check the OP. I will be testing team melee these next two days with some friends to make sure there will be no crashes or bugs.
  
• PLAYER LIST UPDATED - Please be sure to check the second post of the thread if you are forming a team or looking for a team. The complete player list of interested players is there along with their information. I am displaying peak MMR mostly for myself to see the average MMR of people entering the tournament and to form balanced teams for people who do not have teams before the league starts.
  
• DISCORD - The RTL discord will be up by early next week after I close the polls and have the date/time of the league set, as well as the rules and format set in stone. It is not a requirement but it will be purely for organization as I realize this topic is a bit confusing to most people who have not played in RTL1. If you are confused with how this league is going to play out, be sure to check out The Original RTL Thread so you can see how this league will be run similarly.
  
  

Demurity please come to my office with your starlog.gg report card.


Also iopq: I'll put Momo as a team if the other guys are interested. I'd be happy to see old teams rejoin.

On December 01 2017 03:24 SCC-Faustina wrote:
To preface: Hey guys, I along with the SCC team would like to inform you all that as of now, I am assuming the position of being the official go-between for you guys and the RTL leadership. If you guys have any questions about anything, grievances to express, or suggestions please feel free to hit me up. Additionally, with SCC-Faust I intend to assist with avoiding any further negative feelings about the way the league is being managed. I intend to do this by having an open and ongoing dialogue with team leaders/managers to avoid seemingly unilateral decision making going forward. I obviously can't guarantee total capitulation to every individual complaint, but will make sure the opinions of the community and participants are factored in when decisions are being made. I also will to the best of my abilities keep you guys informed of any ideas or changes that may be made AHEAD of their implementation, so your thoughts and impressions can be taken into account and considered as part of the decision making process.

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To Demurity

Hi Demurity / Hey Dem (whatever you're more comfortable with)
Hey. I'm sorry, but I can't let you play in my league, but I wish I could. The unfortunate thing is that you'd be by far and away the best player here, and that skill level isn't what this league is intended to cater to. I feel like that if I let you in, then not only would it be unfair to everyone else involved, but I know that I'd have to approve more than just you at this skill level, because it'd be unfair to everyone else as well, and I can't open that can o worms.
Hopefully next time, people will all be a little better players and you can play then.
PM me if you want to talk!

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 01 2017 06:29 Demurity wrote:


Oh absolutely faustina, no problem at all. I didnt expect to actually play, I figured I could just be on a team. Just threw my name into the hat to participate. No biggie. This leagues gonna be great, gl on getting good participation!

On December 01 2017 09:57 evilEye_ wrote:
Hello to all.

I'm glad to see a decent league around here again. I would love to participate.

I haven't played at all since the CPL and I'm sure I am terrible (not that I was any good before; just mean I'm even worse now!). I don't even have a username on battle.net. And I think someone stole my name.

Do I have to create one first and then post it here?

Also I am Protoss and have no team. I am willing to join anyone's team that wants someone to beat up on.

I missed all you guys and have been very busy with work but I would like to start playing on weekends again and join this league.

Finally, Faust I love you. And I want everyone to know it.

On November 30 2017 07:22 Jukado wrote:
May as well post (4)Clay Fields while Im here aswell:



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/528268-map-4clay-fields-halloween-update

On December 01 2017 11:52 LuMiX wrote:
Oh hey twking, we played in a tournament a few weeks ago! :D

On December 01 2017 09:57 evilEye_ wrote:
Hello to all.

I'm glad to see a decent league around here again. I would love to participate.

I haven't played at all since the CPL and I'm sure I am terrible (not that I was any good before; just mean I'm even worse now!). I don't even have a username on battle.net. And I think someone stole my name.

Do I have to create one first and then post it here?

Also I am Protoss and have no team. I am willing to join anyone's team that wants someone to beat up on.

I missed all you guys and have been very busy with work but I would like to start playing on weekends again and join this league.

Finally, Faust I love you. And I want everyone to know it.

On December 02 2017 04:42 Fazers wrote:
Sign Fazers, Jealous, and Metal[x] as a team.

Captain: Metal[x]

Team name to be determined.

On December 02 2017 05:04 evilEye_ wrote:
Also, LMaster we'd love to have you if you'll have us

On December 02 2017 14:04 Fazers wrote:
Team name is undecided but it's looking like:

- Fazers
- LuMiX
- EvilEye
- dM-White
- Cadenzie
- L_Master

On December 02 2017 15:37 Dazed. wrote:
I'd like to sign up if any team would have me. 1900 as a zerg, but I'd like to play as a terran, and im only like 1600-1700 for terran.

On December 02 2017 19:19 Chrh wrote:
[red]lumix is literally 20-0 2150 on ladder

On December 02 2017 20:30 Qikz wrote:


Honestly I think if this is a team it's going to be very hard for any other team to ever beat them.

You have arguably 4 of the best possible players in the league in this one team o_o

On December 03 2017 00:30 SCC-Faustina wrote:
stuff

On December 02 2017 15:58 Radivel-X17 wrote:


You should obviously form a 2v2 team with Fazers.

On December 04 2017 01:53 iopq wrote:
I'm trying to form a team

iopg
HerbMon
Manner]Mai
parisisokay

On December 04 2017 02:34 NbSky wrote:


I will play, Nb.Sky / [SK]Skye

or any team tbh just shoot me a PM,

Can play 1's/2's/3's.

On December 04 2017 12:33 castleeMg wrote:
can i sign up as a free agent and as terran in this league? my mmr as terran is 1900-2000

On December 07 2017 01:08 UltrA wrote:
i can play? im 2450

On December 08 2017 06:16 SCC-Faustina wrote:
Is there any teamliquid rule against people posing as others?

On December 08 2017 06:30 Fazers wrote:
We would like to add FlashFTW to Team GIR. Thank you!

Looking for additional Terrans and other members to join, maybe 1 or 2 more. PM me if you want in!

On December 08 2017 06:31 Faustina wrote:


Take me with you ;_;

On December 09 2017 18:13 TaShadan wrote:
I would like to register my team (con]) which is playing bwcl right now.
But only the players below 2100 MMR.
Is that possible? Majority of my team is below 2k MMR.
I personally would love to play too but i cannot ladder properly because of error 6:10.... in bwcl i was able to beat a 1900 guy but i frequently lose to people at 2000-2100.

On December 10 2017 03:31 SCC-Faust wrote:


Yes this is allowed. Also as far as players above 2100 MMR, I'm doing it on a case-by-case basis.

I would submit them anyways and give them the same chance I have given everyone else.

On December 10 2017 23:40 SCC-Faust wrote:
I will be updating everything and sending out messages tomorrow. I apologize for the delay, I get lazy on weekends.

Remember that the 15th is the last day to sign up. Also for anyone worried, the first week takes place on the 17th and then there will be a large holiday break, so week 2 will actually not start until the 7th of January, so three weeks later. Why did I do this? I don't know. But it is gonna be awesome so everyone can revel in how much fun they had in the first week and have a strong urge to do it again but I'll have to say NO!!! THREE MORE WEEKS!!!

On December 09 2017 04:16 Faustina wrote:
Why do I have a penis as my race

On December 12 2017 01:44 Nikon wrote:
Seal of approval. Is this going be be broadcasted/have vods?

On December 13 2017 02:23 SCC-Faust wrote:
When I get home from work I'm going to update the rosters and send out PMs.

Going to talk about quickly how the decisions are being made so no one is confused. Originally I was going to give people entering the OK or not if they fit in the skill range I had formed in my mind. I did this by checking their starlog, by asking friends who have played these players, and by using my own personal experience as guidance. This is not the current system anymore, and now works differently. This is how the current system works:

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A discord channel is formed on the RTL discord server where team leaders and people I know who ladder a ton have a special role to give them access to said channel. Whenever a player with higher than normal MMR enters the league, I post their name along with their starlogs and give them a thumbs up/thumbs down emote. Everyone with access to the channel then proceeds to click on thumbs up (if they think they should be allowed in the league) and then thumbs down (if they think they shouldn't). Also text is disabled so there is no discussions taking place that could change people's opinions.

People who I personally gave the okay to before I implemented this are still going to be allowed to play as I find it rude to say yes to someone, and then proceed to tell them no. Also I do not feel anyone I let in before this system outclasses the rest of the league to a ridiculous degree. After LuMiX and others have come to me telling me they feel teams are too strong, I decided this would be the best way to meet common ground. I host a league with a general idea in mind of how I want the skill to be set, and then I have a collection of players who vote on who may enter or not.

The benefits to such system are:

• Less personal bias - The people voting on entrants is wide and has leaders and players from all different teams. Chat is disabled as well. This allows people to vote with their true opinions.
  
• No power creeping teams - Teams will have a harder time stacking players with said system in place where it is hard for an individual to say no when a player is borderline meeting the skill ceiling, but a group may have a vested interest in voting against stronger teams fielding stronger players throughout.
  
• Fairness - Having multiple opinions in a voting fashion call the shots allows more people to weigh their opinions. This is a lot better than having me gauge skills and compare them and make unfair decisions because of my inability to properly place people together with the current data I have (starlogs, etc).
  
• Less bitching - Instead of having 30 pages of this thread be spawned by entrant issues like last RTL, this system is a lot more fair than just one person calling all the shots. Now if someone takes issue with a decision, it is not something they can appeal to just me, but they have to understand that this was voted on by team leaders and members of the league en masse.
  
  

Obviously the downside is everyone has a vested interest in keeping strong players out, so although that is a benefit, it is also a drawback. From common reception though, it seemed that people took issue with the stronger players I was letting in the league, so on the other hand it might actually be a silver lining all-in-all. Also something to understand is (and I've mentioned this before) that it is difficult and borderline retarded to make a tournament with a skill ceiling (esp with the playerbase numbers of SC:R) so nothing is perfect. There will be decisions made that will not look fair to everyone. The bottom line is, at this point, we're doing the best we can. And hopefully no one takes any decision personally, as I promise no one intends to hurt anyone through this or be mean.

I have a current list of 7 or so players that have gone through this process and I'm going to be adding them to the league if they passed, or send them a PM if they did not. Also, I will not be making posts about whether specific people have made it in or not and discourage any posts about people who are eligible or not as I do not want to spawn drama, cause feelings to be hurt, or let this topic run off its course. So I ask everyone do the same. Also I made this post because if you appeal to me in this thread or take issue with a decision that was made, I'm not responding and now you know why.

On December 13 2017 03:44 iRk-AGge wrote:
Hi! When is the last sign-up date? 15/12?

On December 13 2017 03:49 iRk-AGge wrote:
Oh, so too late for iRk- then. :/

On December 13 2017 03:37 SCC-Faust wrote:
LOL nice dude. And that is actually a good point. People I've personally said no to, I'll re-run them through this process.

And btw you had access to this channel but I'm going to temporarily remove it until people vote on you. After voting is done I'll give you back access.

On December 13 2017 03:58 Demurity wrote:


Fair.

I had access to the discord channel? wut

On December 13 2017 03:57 iRk-AGge wrote:
Lovely! I'll check with our low ranked players if they want a league of their own.

I'll be back in a day!

On December 13 2017 04:41 GGzerG wrote:

I remember Fedor, I actually talked to him not long ago, I think he is still playing actually just not very active anymore

On December 13 2017 05:26 L_Master wrote:


Is this same guy as npnl.fedor from like 5-6 years ago? Dude was a pretty decent zerg iirc, streamed alot and started a clan.

On December 13 2017 21:49 iRk-AGge wrote:
I want to sign up Team iRk-

iRk-AgGe
iRk-aGOny
iRk-Elkador
iRk-MwK
iRk-Ecchomysis
iRk-OboY
iRk-Reggae
iRk-aEquitas
iRk-Loveboy
iRk-Dogboy
iRk-Johan
iRk-o_O
iRk-Jerryk97

You do a starlog on every player? then I guess I get a list of the players who fit the bill.
But if Ty2 is legitimate to play, then I assume all my players are as well, no one in iRk is above him in mmr, and o_O lost to him in BWCL 0-2.

When it comes to iRk-Fedor, I havent really spoken to him since 2007. When MSN messenger got bought up by Skype, I lost contact with all former members from outside of europe that I didnt have on facebook allrdy.
So if you see him, say Hi from me, and if he wishes to talk to me, I'm always in op iRk- on europe server.

Also Hi Endinglife, long time!

On December 13 2017 13:31 LuMiX wrote:
iopg/herb add me to yo team..not making one anymore since everyone voted to not let half of the people in lol

On December 14 2017 11:57 GGzerG wrote:
Faust I respect your wishes and being really professional about the PM but really? I barely play anymore and i've lost to several people on this list that you are letting play...

Like talent, castle, AOT, iopq, and a few others...

How are you letting them play when many of these people have taken games off of me? Pretty sure this is just a biased decision on your part, due to the past "grudge match" thing, right?

Also Edred, Talent, Wallace on the same team, and you are not letting me in the league, like really?

The most biased decision by a tournament organizer ever.

EDIT : "You're skill is viewed as being too high for this tournament"

Take a look at the players in the team list's, I can tell just by glancing that this league will be dominated by a few obvious teams, and you decide to not let me play as if I can't and haven't lost games to many of these people? Obvious biased decision for obvious reasons, good luck, the tournament results will show how right I am once you begin.

gl hf gg

On December 14 2017 12:27 GGzerG wrote:


Haha yep, bunch of new schoolers who dislike me and don't even know me. Have fun with your rigged biased tournament.

On December 14 2017 13:20 JS-Bach wrote:
Faust's Rookie Team League is an absolute sham. The MMR "soft limit" of 1800 might as well be a minimum to enter. The term rookie has never been more misused in the history of foreign Brood War. This league exists to stroke the egos of foreigners who have literally been playing since the game's inception. The tournament is bound to be filled with a bunch of genuine rookies who will act as mere punching bags for these heavily experienced foreigners. Meanwhile they get to all make it to the final stages of the tournament, and enjoy the false satisfaction of placing highly. Don't even bother applying unless you genuinely enjoy stroking the egos of experienced players who have always lacked the motivation or desire to actually become high level.

On December 14 2017 13:55 SchAmToo wrote:
Did people take the word "rookie" to mean newbie?

rookie
ˈrʊki/Submit
nouninformal
a new recruit, especially in the army or police.
e.g. "a rookie cop"
a member of a sports team in their first full season.