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[ASL4] Ro4 Flash vs Bisu - Page 3
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
Screw this, Kim Taek Yong hwaiiting!!! | ||
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
Jin Air OSL Flash vs JangBi 2011-08-26 @ Pathfinder Jin Air OSL Flash vs JangBi 2011-08-26 @ Gladiator I wonder if Bisu's PvT will be anywhere near that level. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On October 31 2017 08:32 Lazare1969 wrote: Here are Jangbi's games where he managed to beat Flash 2:1 in a Bo3 Jin Air OSL Flash vs JangBi 2011-08-26 @ Pathfinder Jin Air OSL Flash vs JangBi 2011-08-26 @ Gladiator I wonder if Bisu's PvT will be anywhere near that level. No. Jangbi gets into his opponents mind and controls from there with a clear route for the win, he was the player who managed to confuse Flash. Bisu style differs much, he is trying to be everywhere and get his opponent have hard time concentrating on that many things and drag him into chaos. Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself plus bisu not sharp as he was younger i dont see him doing much. I predict Bisu doing cheesy fails making at least 2 protoss comedy games. I dont think he have anything in the bag to surprise a good terran, he need creativity as its with all protoss players nowdays. Still if he manages to somehow win the series il be happy with that for sure. | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 08:37 _Animus_ wrote: No. Jangbi gets into his opponents mind and controls from there with a clear route for the win, he was the player who managed to confuse Flash. Bisu style differs much, he is trying to be everywhere and get his opponent have hard time concentrating on that many things and drag him into chaos. Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself plus bisu not sharp as he was younger i dont see him doing much. I predict Bisu doing cheesy fails making at least 2 protoss comedy games. I dont think he have anything in the bag to surprise a good terran, he need creativity as its with all protoss players nowdays. What a silly post. BIsu has beaten Flash numerous times in Bo1 with strong micro-oriented play. While you are right that Bisu is older, so is Flash, and Flash has been out of BW longer, so form is not a real argument against Bisu. "Unfortunately this had its time in the past," meanwhile this is precisely how Bisu got into the semi-finals in the first place? What is this current meta that you are talking about that is supposedly against Bisu, exactly? I'm curious to hear this. Also lol@"cheesy fails," Flash's cheese has failed in games between them and Bisu has had tons of success with aggressive strategies as I mentioned above, what makes you think they are destined to fail? Cite some games, perhaps? | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Watched some of Flash's stream recently and sometimes he gets completely owned due to some fishy stuff in the protoss arsenal... This could go either way, but somehow it feels as if when Flash plays on the big stage, something awakens inside of him=) My prediction is: If Bisu can't surprise flash early in strategy, Flash wins 3-1. Otherwise it will be 3-2 to either player! I don't see Bisu taking this 3-1 or 3-0. Also, does anyone know why Flash watches Last's stream so much? Seems to me like he would watch Bisu or other top protosses more right now... | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 08:59 StylishVODs wrote: In PvT anything can happen though, since P has the initiative... and Bisu is definitely no pushover. Watched some of Flash's stream recently and sometimes he gets completely owned due to some fishy stuff in the protoss arsenal... This could go either way, but somehow it feels as if when Flash plays on the big stage, something awakens inside of him=) My prediction is: If Bisu can't surprise flash early in strategy, Flash wins 3-1. Otherwise it will be 3-2 to either player! I don't see Bisu taking this 3-1 or 3-0. Also, does anyone know why Flash watches Last's stream so much? Seems to me like he would watch Bisu or other top protosses more right now... Let's not forget they are 4-3 in sponmatches in October. I suspect watching Bisu may be actually detrimental since Bisu is unlikely to show his builds on stream, so if Flash is watching Bisu stream to learn anything, he will learn the wrong things/make the wrong assumptions? I assume Flash watches Last because Last is another very high level Terran and maybe Flash is trying to see what Last does different so that Flash can incorporate it into his play? | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 31 2017 08:59 StylishVODs wrote: In PvT anything can happen though, since P has the initiative... and Bisu is definitely no pushover. Watched some of Flash's stream recently and sometimes he gets completely owned due to some fishy stuff in the protoss arsenal... This could go either way, but somehow it feels as if when Flash plays on the big stage, something awakens inside of him=) My prediction is: If Bisu can't surprise flash early in strategy, Flash wins 3-1. Otherwise it will be 3-2 to either player! I don't see Bisu taking this 3-1 or 3-0. Also, does anyone know why Flash watches Last's stream so much? Seems to me like he would watch Bisu or other top protosses more right now... I could be wrong but I think at one point, Last's best matchup was TvP and was likely better than Flash's TvP? Not sure why I remember this, take it with a grain of salt unless someone can confirm this "fact". | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On October 31 2017 08:53 Jealous wrote: What a silly post. BIsu has beaten Flash numerous times in Bo1 with strong micro-oriented play. While you are right that Bisu is older, so is Flash, and Flash has been out of BW longer, so form is not a real argument against Bisu. "Unfortunately this had its time in the past," meanwhile this is precisely how Bisu got into the semi-finals in the first place? What is this current meta that you are talking about that is supposedly against Bisu, exactly? I'm curious to hear this. Also lol@"cheesy fails," Flash's cheese has failed in games between them and Bisu has had tons of success with aggressive strategies as I mentioned above, what makes you think they are destined to fail? Cite some games, perhaps? The current meta? Bisu playing worse and players know how to beat his style, it just doesnt work like in the past obviously. Anymore silly questions? Bisu couldnt keep up against Mind the last time i watched his stream Mind rolled him with 3 vs 5 bases and it wasnt even close and on some of the previous tournaments he lost two series if im not mistaken, with some comical fails. He also lost to sea 3-0 so against flash, best he can hope is lose with 3-2 result. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:13 BigFan wrote: I could be wrong but I think at one point, Last's best matchup was TvP and was likely better than Flash's TvP? Not sure why I remember this, take it with a grain of salt unless someone can confirm this "fact". On October 31 2017 09:12 Jealous wrote: Let's not forget they are 4-3 in sponmatches in October. I suspect watching Bisu may be actually detrimental since Bisu is unlikely to show his builds on stream, so if Flash is watching Bisu stream to learn anything, he will learn the wrong things/make the wrong assumptions? I assume Flash watches Last because Last is another very high level Terran and maybe Flash is trying to see what Last does different so that Flash can incorporate it into his play? You might both be right, but I have a hard time seeing Flash trying to incorporate any last minute trick from Last. Flash is currently playing way better than any other terran right now in my opinion. And even though neither Flash or Bisu will reveal what strategies they're going to use, you can still see how players react to certain situations, how they prioritize their actions, how they generally get ahead of their opponents etc and maybe try to make use of that... Then again, maybe I'm reading into this too much and Flash just enjoys watching other terrans play. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13990 Posts
 Bisu pls | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:34 Cricketer12 wrote: Gonna be my first live BW match...unfortunately it's also probably gonna be a stomp, and not the kind I want Bisu pls what? no stomp here, Bisu going to beat Flash and makes the finals! | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:34 Cricketer12 wrote: Gonna be my first live BW match...unfortunately it's also probably gonna be a stomp, and not the kind I want Bisu pls I forgive you. But only because it is your first one. Let me know after the series how you think it went. | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 09:24 _Animus_ wrote: The current meta? Bisu playing worse and players know how to beat his style, it just doesnt work like in the past obviously. Anymore silly questions? Bisu couldnt keep up against Mind the last time i watched his stream Mind rolled him with 3 vs 5 bases and it wasnt even close and on some of the previous tournaments he lost two series if im not mistaken, with some comical fails. He also lost to sea 3-0 so against flash, best he can hope is lose with 3-2 result. "Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself" What about the meta are you trying to say, exactly? Bisu playing worse? Worse than when? Bisu hasn't dropped a game so far, can't be that many people who know how to beat his style? He went 3-4 vs. Flash in October? | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:03 Jealous wrote: "Unfortunately this had its time in the past, now with the players developed and the meta itself" What about the meta are you trying to say, exactly? Bisu playing worse? Worse than when? Bisu hasn't dropped a game so far, can't be that many people who know how to beat his style? He went 3-4 vs. Flash in October? That discussion with you seems to be pointles so pls dont bother me with ur fanboy shit, just see when was the last time Bisu won an offline tournament then lets talk again after he loses to Flash. | ||
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LONG_PTR
United States10 Posts
On October 31 2017 03:57 xccam wrote: ![[image loading]](https://puu.sh/y5UtX/d01544288f.jpg) Shameless repost from the Flash vs Mind thread, now with working link. + Show Spoiler + I hope Bisu manages to take the series It has been almost 8 years since that match and I still can't believe it. | ||
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:06 _Animus_ wrote: That discussion with you seems to be pointles so pls dont bother me with ur fanboy shit, just see when was the last time Bisu won an offline tournament then lets talk again after he loses to Flash. I see, can't back up your senseless drivel with anything of substance. Good to know some things never change. | ||
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hyfrehyfre
Bolivia92 Posts
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Jealous
10232 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:29 hyfrehyfre wrote: wait a second, tau cross is the first map? "Tau Cross was used in the offline preliminaries only. " That is not the map order, but the map pool. First (and last) map is Gladiator. (T)Flash <Gladiator> (P)Bisu (T)Flash <Fighting Spirit> (P)Bisu (T)Flash <Crossing Field> (P)Bisu (T)Flash <Gold Rush> (P)Bisu (T)Flash <Gladiator> (P)Bisu | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 31 2017 01:10 Qikz wrote: Bisu going to breeze through Flash like he is nothing. SKT BEST KT YO! This is the most modest, rational, and unbiased comment on this thread. I have no choice but to agree with it. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On October 31 2017 10:29 hyfrehyfre wrote: wait a second, tau cross is the first map? Fucking Tau Cross is ancient, wtflol | ||
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