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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-03 17:52:30
April 20 2017 08:10 GMT
#1

SSL Classic Season 1


Thursday, Apr 20 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


(Wiki)SSL Classic Season 1


Casters & Hosts


RaPiD | Wolf


Streams


Korean YouTube Stream
English YouTube Stream


Matchups and Maps



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(T)Mind              (P)Rain

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(Z)herO              (P)free

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(Z)EffOrt              (T)sSak

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(Z)Soulkey              (T)Light





Results


+ Show Spoiler [Full results] +




Recommended Games


+ Show Spoiler [Mind vs Rain] +
Poll: Recommend Mind vs Rain?

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100%

No (0)
 
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If you have time (0)
 
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2 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Mind vs Rain?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [herO vs free] +
Poll: Recommend herO vs free?

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0%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

3 total votes

Your vote: Recommend herO vs free?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [effOrt vs sSak] +
Poll: Recommend effOrt vs sSak

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100%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

2 total votes

Your vote: Recommend effOrt vs sSak

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Soukey vs Light] +
Poll: Recommend Soulkey vs Light?

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1 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs Light?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




NOTE: Light forfeit his match against Soulkey today due to injury.


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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 20 2017 09:18 GMT
#2
Myb, didn't realize TheNewEra had already made an LR thread. I'll try to be more punctual next time around.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 09:36:02
April 20 2017 09:34 GMT
#3
On April 20 2017 18:18 EsportsJohn wrote:
Myb, didn't realize TheNewEra had already made an LR thread. I'll try to be more punctual next time around.

Yours is just straight-up better looking so it doesn't matter if you were later than me anyways
Midas <3 Casy <3 BeSt <3 | Pray to Doh-men, heathens! | Zwischen Harz und Heideland
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 09:41:21
April 20 2017 09:41 GMT
#4
Hypeeee! Hope Light gets better. Sad we don't get to see Soulkey play today.
Go rain & effort!
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 09:49:57
April 20 2017 09:49 GMT
#5
link to english stream is not correct
you can use this one: + Show Spoiler +
So... BW is back
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
April 20 2017 09:52 GMT
#6
who is esportsjohn and why is he spam tourney forums
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6180 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 09:56:53
April 20 2017 09:55 GMT
#7
Oh cool english cast!
predictions:
Mind < Rain
herO > Free
effOrt < sSak
Soukey > Light]

edit: I could not find the results from Day 1 thread, anyone knows the scores?
HyralGambit
Profile Joined February 2014
2439 Posts
April 20 2017 10:02 GMT
#8
SSL today will be played on 1.18 :O

Passion overcomes corporate stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX9hbbA-WP4#t=4h2m
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 20 2017 10:08 GMT
#9
Hope there wont be an issue with 1.18 hotkeys :O
The heart's eternal vow
arachnidd
Profile Joined April 2011
211 Posts
April 20 2017 10:08 GMT
#10
1.18? Isn't there a shit load of problems with the new patch?
Esp1noza
Profile Joined September 2003
Russian Federation481 Posts
April 20 2017 10:09 GMT
#11
wow, they said it will be played on 1.18
BroodWar forever
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
April 20 2017 10:15 GMT
#12
Supply + resources? yay! vision boxes on the minimap? nay.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 20 2017 10:15 GMT
#13
what's wrong with 1.18 in terms of balance? they keep emphasizing that players practiced hard on 1.18 but iirc there's no balance changes aside from goons being less dumb and valkyries working properly..
POGGERS
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 20 2017 10:17 GMT
#14
On April 20 2017 18:49 lamarine wrote:
link to english stream is not correct
you can use this one: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZ_bDjbKgQ


Thank you. LP streams not correct :/

Fixed for both English and Korean streams.

On April 20 2017 18:52 ggsimida wrote:
who is esportsjohn and why is he spam tourney forums


Hiya! I used to play SC2 back in the day and wrote a lot of strategy pieces on TL (formerly SC2John). Now I've been converted to BW working with the BW writing staff :D. This week I've just been on LR thread duty so I don't have to write hahaha.

On April 20 2017 18:55 Piste wrote:
Oh cool english cast!
predictions:
Mind < Rain
herO > Free
effOrt < sSak
Soukey > Light]

edit: I could not find the results from Day 1 thread, anyone knows the scores?


You can always check LP for results: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/SSL_Classic_Season_1
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 20 2017 10:17 GMT
#15
CARRIERS :o
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
April 20 2017 10:18 GMT
#16
i can only imagine there's no issues with LAN for 1.18?
Commentator
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 10:20 GMT
#17
On April 20 2017 19:18 GTR wrote:
i can only imagine there's no issues with LAN for 1.18?


That has to be it. I can't imagine they'd play it if 1.18 on LAN is as bad as it is online.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 20 2017 10:20 GMT
#18
On April 20 2017 19:15 konadora wrote:
what's wrong with 1.18 in terms of balance? they keep emphasizing that players practiced hard on 1.18 but iirc there's no balance changes aside from goons being less dumb and valkyries working properly..


Those bug fixes are actually not in this patch. But from what I understand, 1.18 has a few bugs regarding mouse movement and input. It's probably virtually imperceptible to the average player, but obviously pro players are really sensitive to that sort of thing.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 20 2017 10:24 GMT
#19
gg

that was such a strategic win
POGGERS
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 10:26 GMT
#20
On April 20 2017 19:20 EsportsJohn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 19:15 konadora wrote:
what's wrong with 1.18 in terms of balance? they keep emphasizing that players practiced hard on 1.18 but iirc there's no balance changes aside from goons being less dumb and valkyries working properly..


Those bug fixes are actually not in this patch. But from what I understand, 1.18 has a few bugs regarding mouse movement and input. It's probably virtually imperceptible to the average player, but obviously pro players are really sensitive to that sort of thing.


There's a lot of dropped inputs with assigning control groups and macroing. I had to go over my macro buildings at least twice just to get them all to build, when doing the exact same thing in 1.16 would have worked. I can only imagine how bad it must be for the pros who can go over their buildings in 1-2 seconds.
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
April 20 2017 10:27 GMT
#21
On April 20 2017 19:26 HalcyonRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2017 19:20 EsportsJohn wrote:
On April 20 2017 19:15 konadora wrote:
what's wrong with 1.18 in terms of balance? they keep emphasizing that players practiced hard on 1.18 but iirc there's no balance changes aside from goons being less dumb and valkyries working properly..


Those bug fixes are actually not in this patch. But from what I understand, 1.18 has a few bugs regarding mouse movement and input. It's probably virtually imperceptible to the average player, but obviously pro players are really sensitive to that sort of thing.


There's a lot of dropped inputs with assigning control groups and macroing. I had to go over my macro buildings at least twice just to get them all to build, when doing the exact same thing in 1.16 would have worked. I can only imagine how bad it must be for the pros who can go over their buildings in 1-2 seconds.


Ah okay. I mostly play on ShieldBattery, so I haven't had the chance to really check out 1.18 myself firsthand. Sounds pretty bad though. Hopefully it gets fixed quickly.
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66357 Posts
April 20 2017 10:30 GMT
#22
i just realised that's firebathero on the left commentating, nice to see him on official streams
POGGERS
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
April 20 2017 10:32 GMT
#23
are they actually playing 1.18?
So... BW is back
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 10:37 GMT
#24
On April 20 2017 19:32 lamarine wrote:
are they actually playing 1.18?


Yes. There's the little thing on the left that gives supply/mineral/gas/apm which is part of the 1.18 obs hud apparently. You can also see the player's screen location on the minimap. I guess they wanted these matches to be on 1.18 so they rushed it out unfinished.
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
April 20 2017 10:37 GMT
#25
i thought effort said that there are some issues with muta micro
And also showing players screen squares on minimap is kind of confusing o_O
So... BW is back
gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
April 20 2017 10:43 GMT
#26
On April 20 2017 19:37 lamarine wrote:
i thought effort said that there are some issues with muta micro
And also showing players screen squares on minimap is kind of confusing o_O

Not sure I'm a fan of being able to tell whether a player has noticed a drop yet or not.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
April 20 2017 10:44 GMT
#27
hero v free synopsis: storms
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 10:44 GMT
#28
On April 20 2017 19:37 lamarine wrote:
i thought effort said that there are some issues with muta micro
And also showing players screen squares on minimap is kind of confusing o_O


I'm not sure about muta micro. When I played the PTR it was impossible to micro mutas because of the server lag. I assume it might be slightly better on actual LAN. If muta micro is even a little bit off though, it'll mess up your volleys. And yea the player screen squares is really more distracting than helpful.

although watching Hero's mutas right now he doesn't seem to be missing many volleys. Maybe it is better on LAN.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 20 2017 10:52 GMT
#29
Scout hype! Best air unit of the game in action.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 10:54:34
April 20 2017 10:53 GMT
#30
aaaandd it's gone rip scout, we hardly knew ye.

Hero uses the rare scouting defiler to check the bottom expansion.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
April 20 2017 10:57 GMT
#31
This is a great game
The heart's eternal vow
aedeph
Profile Joined May 2015
104 Posts
April 20 2017 11:02 GMT
#32
So, free was unable to throw the game, although he tried very hard.
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 11:02 GMT
#33
Free just playing with his food at this point....
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3819 Posts
April 20 2017 11:02 GMT
#34
come on free this is silly now just finish the game
: o )
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
April 20 2017 11:06 GMT
#35
this game perfectly shows how free is actually good at pvz. But there is a lot of uncertainty in his game play. Hopefully it will go away
So... BW is back
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
April 20 2017 11:11 GMT
#36
I'm not entirely sure....but I think I just watched professional korean mario kart.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 20 2017 11:12 GMT
#37
This kart game seemed pretty cool, anyone knows if there are EU servers?
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51507 Posts
April 20 2017 11:16 GMT
#38
same spawns all three games, surely can't be all luck?
Commentator
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
587 Posts
April 20 2017 11:19 GMT
#39
rapid and wolf are so bad at BW=( not paying attention to barraks first, not figuring out that pool first is the reaction to it
So... BW is back
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
April 20 2017 11:20 GMT
#40
Two starports? That's a lot.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
HalcyonRain
Profile Joined March 2017
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 11:27:32
April 20 2017 11:20 GMT
#41
On April 20 2017 20:16 GTR wrote:
same spawns all three games, surely can't be all luck?


it's possible...but I wonder. There was the 1v1 bug on the PTR. If you set the game to 1v1 mode you'd get the same spawns every game, at least for FS. On FS you'd get the top left and top right spawns everytime. I'll go check to see if the same thing happens on neo medusa after this game.

edit: nvm I can't. Still have the PTR client but you can't set 1v1 in singleplayer, and I uninstalled my official 1.18 client. I'm also too scared to upgrade since it might find my 1.16 install and bork it up.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
April 20 2017 11:21 GMT
#42
busted
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
aedeph
Profile Joined May 2015
104 Posts
April 20 2017 11:22 GMT
#43
Effort played two games in overall 10 minutes.
aedeph
Profile Joined May 2015
104 Posts
April 20 2017 11:27 GMT
#44
On April 20 2017 20:16 GTR wrote:
same spawns all three games, surely can't be all luck?


(\frac {13})^3 = \frac 1 {27} ~= 0.037, probability is quite low, but not unreasonable.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6790 Posts
April 20 2017 11:30 GMT
#45
On April 20 2017 20:16 GTR wrote:
same spawns all three games, surely can't be all luck?

did happen to me playing fs in 1.16.1
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-20 13:04:31
April 20 2017 12:10 GMT
#46
Vods are already up for those who woke up too late...
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
GosHGG
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada6 Posts
April 20 2017 12:19 GMT
#47
On April 20 2017 21:10 Burned Toast wrote:
Vods are already up for those who woke up too late...


English vods up yet?? If so please link, I only found korean vods so far.
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-21 12:22:06
April 20 2017 13:04 GMT
#48
I will update the Small Vod thread with the english VODS as soon as they upload it. Usually takes from 5 hours to a day...

Edit : English VODs are up.
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
April 20 2017 19:18 GMT
#49
Impressive PvZ from free, really hunted down every Zerg expansion

TLPD updated.

TheNewEra for all the LP updates
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
April 20 2017 21:29 GMT
#50
Good to see sSak finally lost.
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