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Probemicro
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stork PvZ is improving, 45% winrate with 69 games played this month. should easily beat a low profile pro like Miso free has 62% PvP winrate this month. but his competitive games hasn't bode any confidence, looking undecisive in his 0-3 loss to Rain.. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 15:17 Bakuryu wrote: i want Light to win against Larva with +1 5 rax in 9 minutes. :d | ||
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arbiter_md
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[[Starlight]]
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Which totally sucks. The usual 2am start times are already nearly killin' me.  | ||
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outscar
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Netto.
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Overall I predict team Stork to win this one but it may be very close  | ||
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spiff
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FlaShFTW
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Bakuryu
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On February 19 2017 19:42 Netto. wrote: I think Larva is very underestimated. I have been watching a lot of his stream recently and I think he is one of the best zergs in late game now - if he survives early and middle game then he can go toe to toe even with Flash. So in my opinion Larva is going to take the match. Overall I predict team Stork to win this one but it may be very close larva on stream = very good with sometimes god like games larva in offline setting = very often choking so hard that he looks like D- + Show Spoiler + well it will be hard to copy effort who managed 0-2 in 20 minutes from yesterday, but it should be close i was really hoping he would be able to fix his choking ability sometime over the last years, but it rather got worse over the years (tournaments getting bigger each year) also, very very high chance miso will 3 hatch hydra because he probably thinks he cant take stork head on and blue storm is blue storm | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
On February 19 2017 19:52 Bakuryu wrote: larva on stream = very good with sometimes god like games larva in offline setting = very often choking so hard that he looks like D- + Show Spoiler + well it will be hard to copy effort who managed 0-2 in 20 minutes from yesterday, but it should be close i was really hoping he would be able to fix his choking ability sometime over the last years, but it rather got worse over the years (tournaments getting bigger each year) also, very very high chance miso will 3 hatch hydra because i dont think he thinks he can take stork head on and blue storm is blue storm in retrospect for your spoiler comment: + Show Spoiler + It was flash we're talking about. You could throw Jaedong in that situation and if he lost 0-2, I don't think you'd call it a choke. FlaSh is just too good especially on Fighting Spirit and Circuit Breakers for TvZ | ||
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
I don't think +1 5 rax is Light's strong suit (just to be certain, I formed this opinion from watching his stream as well). If I remember correctly he lost or was at least put behind in the game he tried it vs Larva in Hosic S2; I recall a pathetic marine count at one point. I personally want to see his mech play just to make a statement again, but that's more likely on Circuit Breaker. | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On February 19 2017 19:52 Bakuryu wrote: larva on stream = very good with sometimes god like games Larva is currently 6:15 to Flash and 4:19 to Last this month = very good on stream :-) | ||
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thezanursic
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Today we have B tier teams compared to yesterday | ||
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Terrorbladder
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BLinD-RawR
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On February 19 2017 20:09 Terrorbladder wrote: I don't recognize Light without the glasses cus hes invisible | ||
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LittLeLives
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BLinD-RawR
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TheNewEra
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On February 19 2017 20:05 thezanursic wrote: Well whichever team wins will lose versus T Flash next week. Today we have B tier teams compared to yesterday Never say never  I mean yesterday we saw Team Flash only winning after being brought to the Ace Match by basically 1 player. And if Team hero would have sent out ZerO they maybe would have been KO'd by him. BeSt is not worse than ZerO and Light can definitely win against Rain/Last in a Bo1. And 2v2 is a gamble anyways So let's wait and see.And in the opposite direction: Team BeSt first needs to win today | ||
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Terrorbladder
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BLinD-RawR
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BLinD-RawR
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its a long running thing, light is called the invisible terran. | ||
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Lucumo
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Probemicro
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arbiter_md
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Lucumo
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[[Starlight]]
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LittLeLives
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FlaShFTW
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outscar
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 20:38 outscar wrote: Larva should never allow mech king to survive and must kill him before raxes start floating. Terran becomes immortal when he gets his mech composition versus zerg. fixed  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Probemicro
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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LittLeLives
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damn I feel for Stork though 5 loss streak in afreeca events | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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outscar
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Probemicro
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arbiter_md
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then again, there's nobody to blame for it. They should know that they are not "ahead" in such a situation. | ||
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outscar
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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[[Starlight]]
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On February 19 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: dont dare to vote no,we should all praise that hard win made by Miso ^^ *votes No* | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 20:53 outscar wrote: Even if losing team wins on Hunters I don't think Free can take down Best because his macro is out of control. But don't count him off, this can go to ace. will u believe free 10-2 flash ? | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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TheNewEra
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On February 19 2017 20:53 outscar wrote: Even if losing team wins on Hunters I don't think Free can take down Best because his macro is out of control. But don't count him off, this can go to ace. Not only is BeSt's macro out of control but free is probably in his current form one of the worst players in this league Edit: Huh Free vs Flash record surprises me. Because every 'official game' free played in the last months looked like shit | ||
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Probemicro
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free is 16-17 to flash atm this month, and this isn't relevant when its PvP | ||
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outscar
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On February 19 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: dont dare to vote no,we should all praise that hard win made by Miso ^^ Scouted two times, lost 2 probes, made 3 cannons, blocked his cannons like whole minute with 4-5 probes wasting mining time and in the end stil lost. Yeah Miso deserved that well. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 20:55 [[Starlight]] wrote: Who knew bats were so sexy? i will proly try to avoid that girl,a girl with a bad has tremendous potential to do some terrible damage. | ||
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outscar
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Scouted two times, lost 2 probes, made 3 cannons, blocked his cannons like whole minute with 4-5 probes wasting mining time and in the end stil lost. Yeah Miso deserved that well When really? Wow. | ||
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arbiter_md
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Wait, what? If that's true, then free is a super-god! | ||
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Lachrymose
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On February 19 2017 20:53 arbiter_md wrote: Well, at some point in his professional experience a protoss has to learn that it's not acceptable to unblock his entrance in such a situation. I know, most of the players don't learn this stuff even though there are countless games lost like that. But then again, there's nobody to blame for it. They should know that they are not "ahead" in such a situation. You're not ahead if you sit around hugging your cannons all day while your opponent builds drones, either. If leaving probes in front of your cannons longer is such a winning strategy why doesn't it win in practice or on the ladder so much that everyone just does it? Because it's not. There's pros and cons. Stork's choice didn't pay off, but that doesn't make it some stupid idea and he needs to learn his lesson. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 20:56 Probemicro wrote: free is 16-17 to flash atm this month, and this isn't relevant when its PvP it doesnt change the picture,that was a single day score,if i didnt see it i will not believe,so after watching this kind of result i can believe free can take down best,i mean before miso vs stork started if anyone did ask me if Miso could win i will send him an ambulance. | ||
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Probemicro
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On February 19 2017 20:58 Lachrymose wrote: You're not ahead if you sit around hugging your cannons all day while your opponent builds drones, either. If leaving probes in front of your cannons longer is such a winning strategy why doesn't it win in practice or on the ladder so much that everyone just does it? Because it's not. There's pros and cons. Stork's choice didn't pay off, but that doesn't make it some stupid idea and he needs to learn his lesson. miso is a weak zerg, its pays better to be safe eat some loss knowing that your superior macro/mechanics will bail you out eventually, then try funny greed | ||
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Probemicro
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On February 19 2017 20:59 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: it doesnt change the picture,that was a single day score,if i didnt see it i will not believe,so after watching this kind of result i can believe free can take down best,i mean before miso vs stork started if anyone did ask me if Miso could win i will send him an ambulance. rain says ayy | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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On February 19 2017 20:58 Lachrymose wrote: You're not ahead if you sit around hugging your cannons all day while your opponent builds drones, either. If leaving probes in front of your cannons longer is such a winning strategy why doesn't it win in practice or on the ladder so much that everyone just does it? Because it's not. There's pros and cons. Stork's choice didn't pay off, but that doesn't make it some stupid idea and he needs to learn his lesson. Lol with the ladder comparison to justify a strat Stork could leave 5 probes hugging the cannons for the entire game and still be insanely ahead | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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classicyellow83 Profile PM Joined June 2016 United States1873 Posts February 13 2017 15:35 CET #3107 not a good day for Flash. 2-8 against Free today | ||
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Probemicro
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On February 19 2017 20:51 Probemicro wrote: alright light plz roll z lawll | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On February 19 2017 21:00 Probemicro wrote: miso is a weak zerg, its pays better to be safe eat some loss knowing that your superior macro/mechanics will bail you out eventually, then try funny greed I know that sounds good, but it actually doesn't really follow. Your weak opponent 'cheating' out a huge economy while you double dot your I's and triple cross your T's at home is just as cheesy and good as cheating out a win with a ling all-in. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6590 Posts
On February 19 2017 21:03 Lachrymose wrote: I know that sounds good, but it actually doesn't really follow. Your weak opponent 'cheating' out a huge economy while you double dot your I's and triple cross your T's at home is just as cheesy and good as cheating out a win with a ling all-in. nah he is right,i did see MIso lossing with 5 bases vs rain 3 bases /1 of them mineral only)the guy only know how to makes hdyras and die to storms. | ||
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Probemicro
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On February 19 2017 21:03 Lachrymose wrote: I know that sounds good, but it actually doesn't really follow. Your weak opponent 'cheating' out a huge economy while you double dot your I's and triple cross your T's at home is just as cheesy and good as cheating out a win with a ling all-in. if you ever play PvZ seeing that many speedlings at that particular timing is already a big warning sign. even if he stops lings and only made drones he wont be a lot ahead even if you put 5 probes out defending your cannon. zzz | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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Lucumo
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On February 19 2017 21:22 Probemicro wrote: light should just sunken crawl to toss It's what he is doing. | ||
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LittLeLives
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Just come out for better than front row seats | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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Oh, and observer kills. So. many. So. MANY. | ||
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outscar
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On February 19 2017 21:42 FlaShFTW wrote: Idk why in the mid game Free didn't kill Light. He had the dragoon force to breka through sunkens and without units to support sunkens, they just melt to a well upgraded protoss force. After that, he can just try to run through Miso, which he would have since he didnt need to worry about scourge and muta sniping his observers. Bah, a nice effort from Free but he definitely had a better chance. He must be afraid from backstab or think there are more units there. Free fcked up at start when he lost like 10 zealots to pure drone drill. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On February 19 2017 21:46 Bakuryu wrote: after the storm drops and realizing he gets lurker contained, best just needed to take the free mineral only because miso could never attack him and light was still dead at that point. then he would have actually been on a 2 base economy while not needing to spread his army so far. best wasnt playing,there is not mineral only expo in hunters,what game were u watching ? or mb u are calling the 2v2 combo best ok, at some point i did see 4 drones from light in the middle,im curious why he didnt try to take a new base in the other side of the contain.im sure instead of that many sunks he could make 2 hatcheries and macro up quickly,but by the result doesnt matter. | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
mineral only was also bad, i was refering to the base directly outside of his natural where his army was for a long time trying to fight the lurker contain over the small choke. | ||
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RAPiDCasting
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On February 19 2017 21:23 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: is the first they are watching 2v2 ? Nope | ||
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Vivi57
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It's amazing how much damage 3-5 mutas can do when you don't have to control anything else. | ||
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I really like how Light and Best treated Miso post games. Great hyungs. | ||
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Piste
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On February 20 2017 21:21 Peeano wrote: Free could have done many things to win that 2v2. Maelstrom and dweb (if he kept his original sair count) would have been good as well. He should have definitelty tried building 1 scout. Even if that wouldn't have killed Light, it could still have killed drones/sunkens to make it a great investment (as he already had a stargate anyway this wouldn't require extra tech). I really like how Light and Best treated Miso post games. Great hyungs. I don't think neither dweb or maelstorm would have been that good vs hydra+lurk. The biggest problem for Free was his multitask. Casting dwebs and maelstorms would have not made it any easier. The game could have gone differently if Light wouldn't have kept sniping all those observers with his scourges and mutas. If Free would have just kept his corsairs alive, observers would have most likely stayed alive as well. | ||
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aedeph
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I find it very strange, that Miso didn't make nydus to Light's base (for both offensive/defensive reasons) and Light invested a few thousand minerals into offensive sunkens, when he easily can get back to normal play and even take some bases in down part of the map. So, the was probably quite bad from both sides, but this is exactly the reason, why it was so fun to watch. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On February 21 2017 19:58 aedeph wrote: Dweb could help him push into Light's base without significant damage and finally forgot about scourges or mutalisks but after losing 3 corsair to hydras it didn't seem proper investment. I guess, free's biggest problem was Miso's nice storm dodging. free lost a lot of time and apm without significant results, while zergs push economy and techs. I find it very strange, that Miso didn't make nydus to Light's base (for both offensive/defensive reasons) and Light invested a few thousand minerals into offensive sunkens, when he easily can get back to normal play and even take some bases in down part of the map. So, the was probably quite bad from both sides, but this is exactly the reason, why it was so fun to watch. I don't know how well DWeb would have worked. It's super expensive in both money and time. You gotta make a Fleet Beacon to research it. Also, free lost all his Corsairs, so he would have had to make a bunch of those again and wait for the energy. It's not like free had a ton of money - he never had more than 2 mining bases at any time. As for the Nydus to Light's main, that couldn't hurt since it's not too expensive, but it's not like Light's main was ever seriously threatened. Offensively a Nydus wouldn't have mattered much - it's not like Miso had any trouble being right outside free's expo whenever he wanted to be. Another small note - Lurkers hurt allied units, so you can't just blindly use a bunch of Lurkers to defend an ally's base. Though in this game it still would have been effective. | ||
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