The WCG 2007 US Open will take place over 2 days, June 2nd and June 3rd. The four top US players from your game/discipline will be invited, butonly the top two will advance as top seeds to the WCG 2007 USA Championship National Finals held in Orlando, Florida September 14th–17th. The winners of the WCG US Open – in certain games - will also qualify for a free trip to Cancun, Mexico to represent the USA at the WCG Pan American Championship, June 22nd – 24th.
So looks like it's me, Day, Artosis, and lastgosu receiving the invites. And I have no chance unless I work some miracle practice in during the month of May.
Predictions: I have no idea what the status of lastgosu is. I'm thinking Day[9] will get a bye or play against someone he can beat (a replacement for lastgosu), and Artosis will beat me. Then Day[9] will beat Artosis. Day[9] and Artosis qualify.
wcg can go to freakin hell.. i lose 1 set in 2006 usa finals.. and thats it.. i traveled 1000's of miles to go 1-1 in group play and get top 8.. atlest so i could go to usa open (so i thought) and now i dont get crap.. screw u wcg... freakin monkey's could run it better --a
On April 12 2007 18:05 Lz wrote: wcg can go to freakin hell.. i lose 1 set in 2006 usa finals.. and thats it.. i traveled 1000's of miles to go 1-1 in group play and get top 8.. atlest so i could go to usa open (so i thought) and now i dont get crap.. screw u wcg... freakin monkey's could run it better --a
hope for some gg's Funny they word it "top 4 in the game" or w/e. Those are just the guys who are willing to shell out the dough or have the time to travel for this game! Hopefully I can be one of them seeing as how the traveling part would be 20 minutes from my bedroom in Seattle haha.
er fuck, I need to word that better. Not "just" obviously as all 4 of those guys are among the top. Just not litterally 1-4, thats what I meant haha.
On April 12 2007 23:05 Metal[x] wrote: slogster :D anyone remember what he did in vegas? ho ho ho
He choked in his last match?
On April 12 2007 23:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: hope for some gg's Funny they word it "top 4 in the game" or w/e. Those are just the guys who are willing to shell out the dough or have the time to travel for this game! Hopefully I can be one of them seeing as how the traveling part would be 20 minutes from my bedroom in Seattle haha.
As I read your comment, it reminded me of the year you lost at the wcg qualifier that only had 2 people at it, you and I think HnR)Insane. Not trying to diss, just something that makes me chuckle.
Yeah that'd be the year the admin told us we had to pay our way to a regional and then pay our way to the final. That'd be the year both peter and I didn't give a fuck and he came out on top 2-1. That'd be the year all right. What about the year before when 30 people showed up and I slaughtered everyone losing maybe 1-2 games to Proxa's bunk rush and a game on Gorky? Why not remember the year everyone actually cared/tried and I rocked the joint?
PS: LJT Moon LJT's brother Proxa GoldenBoy and a few others were at the latter WCG (all better than peter no offense to him of course).
On April 12 2007 23:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Yeah that'd be the year the admin told us we had to pay our way to a regional and then pay our way to the final. That'd be the year both peter and I didn't give a fuck and he came out on top 2-1. That'd be the year all right. What about the year before when 30 people showed up and I slaughtered everyone losing maybe 1-2 games to Proxa's bunk rush and a game on Gorky? Why not remember the year everyone actually cared/tried and I rocked the joint?
PS: LJT Moon LJT's brother Proxa GoldenBoy and a few others were at the latter WCG (all better than peter no offense to him of course).
ya but u still didnt go 2 nationals ya scmuck PR 1-0 inc
either way, no one is good enough to do damage at the international level. So i dont know why you kids are bickering. Its been YEARS since anyone has even won games outside the group level. Infact... when was the last time someone made it out of group? i know froz did when he beat boxer 2-0 that one year in.. 02? Course even his first wcg international he failed to get out of the group play. Wizard beat Giyom on jungle story, but it was pvp and giyom made a pretty bad mistake --a. I cant think of anyone from the usa ever beating anyone good besides that? So who cares?
last year eth woulda made it but he couldnt go and neither could sean... so we sent artosis... who would make it outta group if he never had 2 play a zerg... unfortunately for him the rest of the world outside north america is zerg
hmmm so inc are you going? And what about you Idra or skew? I'd have to say top two usa would probley be Idra and inc. Maybe lastgosu if he's practicing again.
lastgosu with practice will rape. keep in mind that at last year's finals, he hadnt played for weeks prior (although that's the same story for a few people there). once his mouse was fixed, he was on a rampage.
i hope there is prize money for the US open. then i'll train all pvt to beat artosis and get 3rd, since he'll be training all tvz trying to qualify :O
my biggest pet peave... and i not directing this to anyone in particular. But when people say, oh i havent trained in weeks, or played in weeks, and then go play in the biggest competiton of their bw careers. Its like... the entire point of you playing for all of these years is to mold you into a great bw player and now you have the opportunity to show how good you are and.. you cop out and say, oh well i havent been playing or practicing? I think people just say that when they lose personally, just to help them keep face. If not then if they truly didnt even 'touch' bw for 3weeks prior to the tournament then why even play? why even call yourself a bw player? just my 2 cents. GL to all those playing
On April 13 2007 01:11 Ruehl wrote: If you win the USA WCG you win some money and being the best in the US matters too.
Well aware, since ive competed in half a dozen wcgs, including the nationals. But we dont play bw for the money? And bragging rights are limited, since generally the best of usa dont show to the finals or when they do they make excuses. Not to mention most of the great usa players dont even play anymore
LJ what you say is mostly right but the truth is that many of the people just don't have time to practice. They don't want people to think that they did practice and then played shitty anyway, so they make their excuse public. I'm sure there are some people that say they don't practice just to be cowards but honestly I don't think that's what most people at WCG are doing. Maybe the kids in op x-17 are doing that :o
and as far as the greatest usa players not playing anymore... well, it doesn't even make sense. If they aren't playing, then they're not good anymore. And if you're going to count on just potential, then the fact is that the greatest USA players don't even own BW. They are geniuses doing other things with their lives than playing BW
Mmmmm does anyone know where the US Open is being held?? Or any of the regionals for that matter??
I want to attend the US Open if its in LA again, last year it was 15 minutes from my house but I was with my gf that day so couldnt come
IMO USA will do much better in WCG this year, it seems like USA gamers are making a comeback in the community... and we've got a few people who are active enough to make some noise at WCG.
Hopefully Idra and Day and do pretty well, since they seem like the most active at the moment.
froz/assem/whear >>> artosis imo. I bet if they picked up the game for 2-3 weeks they could beat just about anyone in usa though i dont think tsu's name belongs up there :x He was a legend, sure, but so was NTT, and once people got good enough to realize mass scv isnt a valid strat, he stopped being idolized Same with Tsu's random strats, though inventive and great for bw, not viable nowadays.
So thats what i meant NoNy, the idea that several players could pickup the game and dominate with less than a month's practice, just chose not to. I dont mean to belittle anyone by my opinions though, cause thats what they are, just opinions. I havent seen an artosis replay in probably... 2yrs? He could very well be way better than anyone who has ever played from the usa, but still think that at least froz/assem/rekrul could dominate anyone in usa with a month's practice. Perhaps its biased, infact it probably is
I think FroZ has the talent to be a top player in the USA within a month for sure. Rekrul as well to a degree. But to say "dominate" absolutely not. Only Assem has that level these days that I would go as far as to say "dominate." Whear is out of his time and would need a lot longer to get even "top" status. And Froz has come back SEVERAL times and absolutely not "dominated." with MORE than a month of practice. Believe it or not USA actually has several players that are considered "top" on the non korean scene atm and being as such they dont get "dominated" typically by players. They may lose more than they win vs the Testie, Mondragon, Draco PJ's of the world but they dont get dominated. Myself included.
And I am tired of people living in the past with US names. They are great players and pioneers of the sport for us. But as it is, stop listing them as "top" players. They dont play and when they do it is for an event, league or fun and they barely make a splash. There are of course a few exceptions like Ret/Smuft/FroZ(to a degree) who have come back and actually done some damage.
On April 14 2007 01:13 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I think FroZ has the talent to be a top player in the USA within a month for sure. Rekrul as well to a degree. But to say "dominate" absolutely not. Only Assem has that level these days that I would go as far as to say "dominate." Whear is out of his time and would need a lot longer to get even "top" status. And Froz has come back SEVERAL times and absolutely not "dominated." with MORE than a month of practice. Believe it or not USA actually has several players that are considered "top" on the non korean scene atm and being as such they dont get "dominated" typically by players. They may lose more than they win vs the Testie, Mondragon, Draco PJ's of the world but they dont get dominated. Myself included.
And I am tired of people living in the past with US names. They are great players and pioneers of the sport for us. But as it is, stop listing them as "top" players. They dont play and when they do it is for an event, league or fun and they barely make a splash. There are of course a few exceptions like Ret/Smuft/FroZ(to a degree) who have come back and actually done some damage.
Amen! I couldn't agree with you more. So many people are still living in the past about who the best players in the USA are...were no longer living in 2002-2004. There's plenty of rising talent coming from the USA and yes even our best can compete with many of the "top" outside of South Korea.
Ok, i confess i do live in the past. But its not like our current top players dominate or even win at the international scene either? I dont think they have the lan experience it takes to do well, besides artosis, who of course would still be considered just a mediocre amature in korea if he competed. So all in all, i do concede that point and whear probably would need more than a month. But, i still believe Assem/Froz/Rekrul with 1-2mths practice would best any the usa had to offer, and thats what i meant by the top players not really being able to compete or show to the events. And even if they were in top form, im not too sure they could dominate all that well either on the international level, though with 2 of them having kor pro team experience and froz with all of his wcg experience, i think they would do good at wcg at least, vs non-asians. So i dont really have a point i guess now that i think about it, so gl to all of the players and i hope they actually take it seriously and make a dent at wcg? Though i doubt they will b/c excuses are better ;x thats mean :[
hmm... good points all around. in my opinion, lastgosu is about to do what LJ is saying assem/froz/rekrul could do.
i think that most top players who could return from retirement and do well have spent some period in their life where they practiced a lot and very seriously. there are a lot of other players that have never practiced hard but they havent quit for long periods of time either. they get on bnet, play ~3 serious games in a night, obs 5 games, play a few UMS, etc, but they never completely quit BW. if i had to choose between doing that for a year or practicing hardcore for 5 months, not playing for 5 months, then getting back in shape for 2 months before wcg, i'd do the latter. and all the fans seem to forget that these retirees, at some point, trained a shitload, and say it's all talent that they can come back with "minimal practice" and dominate.
truth is that despite their long periods of not touching the game, they have more quality practice in them than the regular players. it's not hard to pick up where you left off after a long break. and for people that have achieved a good understanding of the game, it's not hard to pick up on new strats by watching vods and reps, or to just figure out new strats on your own in a short period of time. but this "higher understanding" never came naturally or from pure talent, but rather it sprung out of a period of high-intensity training that never left the person
I dunno, the "lan experience" thing is crap in my opinion. I've played lan only a few times and I played considerably better than I do on bnet / regularly. Possibly because I am an athlete that gets an adrenaline rush from "showing off" so-to-speak by playing in front of people. If there are people that crumble at lans I have not seen them. Not saying it isnt true, just saying I dont think that factors in.
IdrA pointed out a point missed. FroZ has come back. Lost and disappeared into obscurity again.
Whear is beyond his time. And comparing his skill relative to 3-5 years ago and what bw is NOW, is silly.
Rekrul is nice but never had the PvZ to be a "dominating" player. Even when he was absolutely at his best. So a Day/Lz/Me/Crayon/Lastgosu and various other z's USA has to offer would be more than enough to "Monkey" Rekrul numerous times.
I think I cannot stress enough yet again, admitting to living in the past is only admitting to a huge annoyance. They were damn great times. I was there, I gamed with them, loved it and moved on. Now we have new top players, they are as good if not better. If they dont glimmer as much it is because replays/rep sites/years and most importantly various competitive ladders have made the standard bw gamer a better gamer than the average sc/bw gamer of years past. Also, the "top" player hierarchy is ALOT closer than it was in the past, for the same reasons. We live in a new(ish) era of bw where the gaps are a lot closer and the top players can all exchange blows.
The era of "old names dominating" is also psychologically behind us. They come back for a big event, usually train at a higher level than most because they live off of their name. Do "ok" because they have raw talent / better training partners than most. But then fizzle out and lose. Yet time in and time again fanboyism would have us believe they are the risen mesiah of bw each time. I think we should move away from it. Really the only player I think that has ever tickled this possibility is Ret. He has come back like 2-3 times and been top 1-3 each time.
Day or LastGosu and you guys forgot DReaMe among the big names...A guy who beat boxer shouldn't be forgotten just like that...
Day is absolutely the best Zerg I have ever gamed with his knowledge of the game is amazing,but so is ethans so...Hope it'll be a good finals.
Artosis doesn't stand a chance
Idra is Idra,he should be frozen for observation to see where gene mutations go wrong,nothing really he can do except being laughed at (not for his skill) but because of his looks and character but hey at least he can always get a job being a scarecrow in a cornfield which most of us can't say.
eth will win this year and he hasnt played bw since last wcgs he picked it up like 6days ago ;o and froz can comeback and dominate last USopen he played BGH for 2weeks after not playing since i beat him in 05 and came in 2nd playing R the whole tournament...
i am some what skeptical about this new "top" americans cus eth / day are great but are out of shape trying 2 quickly get back in shape... artosis still is his very consistent self. no one really else in the BW scene has proven anything wcg wise. im actually really looking forward 2 seeing u play this year seriously geoff, along w/ dae. cus i think u both have a great chance but I havent gotten 2 see either of u take a tournament seriously in a long time let alone an offline event. This year will b very interesting
why on earth do so many people think lastgosu is untouchable? of course hes good.. but to say hes gonna run away with wcg usa is just dumb. he was 1 game off of elimination twice last year, vs nyo and vs me at the ny regional, he could just have just as easily lost. he probably has as good a chance as anyone, but he is not a sure thing to win.
On April 14 2007 15:52 IdrA wrote: why on earth do so many people think lastgosu is untouchable?
He's not, and he won't win this time.
Whoever attends the USA finals, we can put money bets before each match, just make sure you pay up, and don't pull a Nero and go dumb when I bring up the bet. <hr> I hope all the people that should make it, do make it, to the usa finals.
On April 14 2007 15:52 IdrA wrote: why on earth do so many people think lastgosu is untouchable? of course hes good.. but to say hes gonna run away with wcg usa is just dumb. he was 1 game off of elimination twice last year, vs nyo and vs me at the ny regional, he could just have just as easily lost. he probably has as good a chance as anyone, but he is not a sure thing to win.
cuz he wasnt practicing much and he honestly had huge mouse problems that cost him games. of course, it's just as likely this year that he wont play for weeks before the finals again, so i guess you can say it's dumb to assume he's gonna be badass just cuz he's practicing in april. he is a good tournament player. but you are right that he isnt a sure thing, i just think he's the most likely to win. imo, nobody in usa has more than a 30% chance to win the finals. maybe lastgosu has a 30% chance, day has a 25%, and the last 45% is split up among everyone else or whatever. so it's most likely that lastgosu won't win the whole thing, but he has the best chance to (30% lastgosu vs 70% everyone else).
but ya, it's a tossup. and anyone saying "person xxx is surely gonna do well" doesnt know what they're talkin about. nero basically summed it up when he said that it'll be interesting
In my biased opinion, I think theognis-x17 would've been a good contestant in prime and in shape. I really liked his harass / map intelligence style. Plus, he had an intense dedication and love for the game. Too bad that nerd gave up bw for something like...school, i mean wtf? Kid's gotta get his priorities straight!
On April 14 2007 15:52 IdrA wrote: why on earth do so many people think lastgosu is untouchable?
He's not, and he won't win this time.
Whoever attends the USA finals, we can put money bets before each match, just make sure you pay up, and don't pull a Nero and go dumb when I bring up the bet. <hr> I hope all the people that should make it, do make it, to the usa finals.
uh how the fuck do i owe u money... the only person i woulda bet on last year would be for eth or against artosis... and i paid artosis and eth wins so... STFU BITCH ASSS! or i'll hovz all over ur ass at nationals
btw anyone wanna give me 3:1 odds on eth winning it assuming that he qualifies? and i'll bet artosis wont make it outta group play again... if i bet it 3 years in a row maybe it will work for the 3rd
On April 14 2007 15:52 IdrA wrote: why on earth do so many people think lastgosu is untouchable?
He's not, and he won't win this time.
Whoever attends the USA finals, we can put money bets before each match, just make sure you pay up, and don't pull a Nero and go dumb when I bring up the bet. <hr> I hope all the people that should make it, do make it, to the usa finals.
uh how the fuck do i owe u money... the only person i woulda bet on last year would be for eth or against artosis... and i paid artosis and eth wins so... STFU BITCH ASSS! or i'll hovz all over ur ass at nationals
rofl, okay son.
Let's make some more bets at the nationals, then I'll take your money and your life!
On April 14 2007 11:13 Xyoliths wrote: Day or LastGosu and you guys forgot DReaMe among the big names...A guy who beat boxer shouldn't be forgotten just like that...
as i recall, it was a *fake* boxer, and he was mostly a big name because he loved to promote himself **cough..incontrol...cough**.
aye, i was just about to post that, it was a fake boxer with like 145apm. They used a name spoofer, and i dont think he was ever really good, him or TNT, if anyone remembers him : ) I mean thats like saying jolly was good, just b/c he was one of the few first bw players who had a brain --a
I like to promote myself? That is garbage [just like the pro I beat 10 minutes ago drunk] and you have no grounds for that! [just like the clan I allkilled when I DESTROYED ALL THEIR SHIT HAH!]
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