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On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."
Dude it was a hydra bust. We've seen hydra busts like this for a very long time. It wasn't a 2012-2013 SC2 build lmao.
Movie's build was actually a recreation of a build Stork used on the very same map where you abuse the long rush distance (gate -> core at front to wall off early) so you can get early corsairs out.
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On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."
so u really believe this is an sc2 build ? bro starcraft born in 1997.but i can agree with you,u can learn from anything to bring new builds to bw. sc2 chess even from war movies.
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On December 11 2016 20:06 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:05 Bakuryu wrote:
flash 14cc vs soulkey selfown, this should be over quick.... What's self-own?
you own yourself, like... you play a build/strat or do random stuff where you place yourself at a disadvantage without any enemy interaction.
soulkey blocked his main gas with the pool, needing 4 drones for maximum gas.
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Still waiting on that Hive tech, longer TvZ game with Defiler Ultra to happen 
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On December 11 2016 20:16 anandworld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself." Dude it was a hydra bust. We've seen hydra busts like this for a very long time. It wasn't a 2012-2013 SC2 build lmao. Movie's build was actually a recreation of a build Stork used on the very same map where you abuse the long rush distance (gate -> core at front to wall off early) so you can get early corsairs out.
I never claimed it was i said it looked like one, hence the casters analogy, learn...how...to...read.
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On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build.
nice that you added this bit and confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about, I wasn't sure.
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On December 11 2016 20:14 eekmice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:12 Harem wrote:On December 11 2016 20:11 eekmice wrote:On December 11 2016 20:08 Heartland wrote:
Would Soulkey have done better if he flanked the bio attack group with his lurkers instead? I was watching the bisu stream and he said that it was a tough decision. Yes his lurkers would've killed the initial army but does soulkey really want to go into a late game scenario against flash? yes? literally anything was better than what he did If his 3 sunkens came up 5s earlier and his lings blocked the push you would've called him a genius. it was a split second decision and it didn't work.
no i wouldnt
trying to base trade a terran with multiple bunkers and scvs that can repair them is super ?????????????????
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On December 11 2016 20:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself." so u really believe this is an sc2 build ? bro starcraft born in 1997.but i can agree with you,u can learn from anything to bring new builds to bw. sc2 chess even from war movies.
No, I said it looked like one, hence the caster analogy.
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On December 11 2016 20:17 Bakuryu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:06 Heartland wrote:On December 11 2016 20:05 Bakuryu wrote:
flash 14cc vs soulkey selfown, this should be over quick.... What's self-own? you own yourself, like... you play a build/strat or do random stuff where you place yourself at a disadvantage without any enemy interaction. soulkey blocked his main gas with the pool, needing 4 drones for maximum gas.
Ah, okay. Thanks dude!
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On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."
Soulkey's strategy was NOT creative. It's a strategy that's literally years old and has been played often over the past few years. I would also argue that Soulkey was a much higher caliber player in 2011 than he is now.
I don't disagree with the assumption that players may take some ideas from SC2 to BW which gives them advantages. I did, too, for example. However, in this case it's simply not true.
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On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."
Sorry, but I just can't get with the (rather dumb) idea that an easier game did much of anything to elevate former high-level BW players in their BW performance to any great extent... on the contrary, the time away took more away from their BW skills and the development of BW meta than anything SC2 contributed.
Just because Artosis has some sort of marching orders to pimp SC2 at every breath doesn't mean we have to go along with it like good little sheeple (or can at least expect the SC2 pimping to be done with non-ridiculous comments). SC2's a fine game in it's own right, it's just not a lot of BWers favorite game, that's all. So I don't need to hear about it every other sentence. If I did, I'd go watch an SC2 cast.
Sorry if that bit of logic made your panties bunch.
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On December 11 2016 20:18 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:14 eekmice wrote:On December 11 2016 20:12 Harem wrote:On December 11 2016 20:11 eekmice wrote:On December 11 2016 20:08 Heartland wrote:
Would Soulkey have done better if he flanked the bio attack group with his lurkers instead? I was watching the bisu stream and he said that it was a tough decision. Yes his lurkers would've killed the initial army but does soulkey really want to go into a late game scenario against flash? yes? literally anything was better than what he did If his 3 sunkens came up 5s earlier and his lings blocked the push you would've called him a genius. it was a split second decision and it didn't work. no i wouldnt trying to base trade a terran with multiple bunkers and scvs that can repair them is super ?????????????????
it wasn't a fucking base trade attempt. i'm sorry but some of these comments are so asinine it drives me insane. lurkers have splash damage. you really think that 6 lurkers won't rip through scvs repairing a bunker at point blank range?
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lol Rapid announcing terror,i was looking for something THIS IS TERROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR.but it was like it is terror -_-
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On December 11 2016 20:20 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself." Soulkey's strategy was NOT creative. It's a strategy that's literally years old and has been played often over the past few years. I would also argue that Soulkey was a much higher caliber player in 2011 than he is now. I don't disagree with the assumption that players may take some ideas from SC2 to BW which gives them advantages. I did, too, for example. However, in this case it's simply not true.
You know what, I'm done, no one fucking reads, circle jerk about your game, kill both of them because you can't deal with anyone who doesn't love your pure nostalgia.
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On December 11 2016 20:18 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:16 anandworld wrote:On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself." Dude it was a hydra bust. We've seen hydra busts like this for a very long time. It wasn't a 2012-2013 SC2 build lmao. Movie's build was actually a recreation of a build Stork used on the very same map where you abuse the long rush distance (gate -> core at front to wall off early) so you can get early corsairs out. I never claimed it was i said it looked like one, hence the casters analogy, learn...how...to...read.
I can read. You're talking about Soulkey using a "creative strategy". It wasn't really, this sort of build was literally the reason why protoss would constantly get wrecked by players like Shine.
SC2 didn't give Soulkey hydra busting skills like the casters profess. Soulkey was a solid proleague zerg back in the day who was on Woongjin's starting lineup, there's no way he wouldn't know how to do this build.
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On December 11 2016 20:07 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:06 -NegativeZero- wrote:
remember that regardless of it's popularity in korea itself, pro bw wasn't nearly as well known outside of korea as pro sc2, so the majority of their potential viewers will know sc2 better - the dedicated bw fans who already know the game extremely well just aren't the target audience here Can we not do this? It's incredibly boring.
Well I guess my question in answered...
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On December 11 2016 20:21 eekmice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:18 Harem wrote:On December 11 2016 20:14 eekmice wrote:On December 11 2016 20:12 Harem wrote:On December 11 2016 20:11 eekmice wrote:On December 11 2016 20:08 Heartland wrote:
Would Soulkey have done better if he flanked the bio attack group with his lurkers instead? I was watching the bisu stream and he said that it was a tough decision. Yes his lurkers would've killed the initial army but does soulkey really want to go into a late game scenario against flash? yes? literally anything was better than what he did If his 3 sunkens came up 5s earlier and his lings blocked the push you would've called him a genius. it was a split second decision and it didn't work. no i wouldnt trying to base trade a terran with multiple bunkers and scvs that can repair them is super ????????????????? it wasn't a fucking base trade attempt. i'm sorry but some of these comments are so asinine it drives me insane. lurkers have splash damage. you really think that 6 lurkers won't rip through scvs repairing a bunker at point blank range?
Yeah they didn't. Because Soulkey decided to put them at maxrange to attack the bunker. Which was silly. So yeah, he failed with his break.
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On December 11 2016 20:21 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 20:20 Miragee wrote:On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?
"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"
Wait, what?? Derp. o_0
See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance. Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself." Soulkey's strategy was NOT creative. It's a strategy that's literally years old and has been played often over the past few years. I would also argue that Soulkey was a much higher caliber player in 2011 than he is now. I don't disagree with the assumption that players may take some ideas from SC2 to BW which gives them advantages. I did, too, for example. However, in this case it's simply not true. You know what, I'm done, no one fucking reads, circle jerk about your game, kill both of them because you can't deal with anyone who doesn't love your pure nostalgia.
Suck it, Longshot. You bitterly attack everyone who doesn't agree with you, get over yourself.
Going back to watching the (other) cast.
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terror ling-rushed?! *gasp*
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