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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
December 11 2016 11:26 GMT
#141
why is there a goon? Did he build it to kill the overlord?
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
December 11 2016 11:26 GMT
#142
On December 11 2016 20:21 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2016 20:20 Miragee wrote:
On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:
On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?

"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"

Wait, what?? Derp. o_0



See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance.

Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."


Soulkey's strategy was NOT creative. It's a strategy that's literally years old and has been played often over the past few years. I would also argue that Soulkey was a much higher caliber player in 2011 than he is now.

I don't disagree with the assumption that players may take some ideas from SC2 to BW which gives them advantages. I did, too, for example. However, in this case it's simply not true.


You know what, I'm done, no one fucking reads, circle jerk about your game, kill both of them because you can't deal with anyone who doesn't love your pure nostalgia.


You know what, I'm done, no fucking understanding of what is going on. If it was some new build you could have brought this SC2 analogy as a caster, I agree on that point. However, Soulkey himself has played this build before he switched to SC2. SC2 has nothing to do with it at all. Another sentence Artosis could have used would be "oh, this looks like some kind of SC2 build", which would have been fine as well, even though it's a BW build. Got it?
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
December 11 2016 11:26 GMT
#143
This Terror guy is terrible... Nothing good from him so far.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 11 2016 11:27 GMT
#144
Well fuck, I'm getting no video feed on any stream or via VLC. rip
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
December 11 2016 11:27 GMT
#145
On December 11 2016 20:27 c3rberUs wrote:
Well fuck, I'm getting no video feed on any stream or via VLC. rip


basically Terror is being reked
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
December 11 2016 11:28 GMT
#146
LuL Terror...
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
December 11 2016 11:28 GMT
#147
Terror: "EEK! A REAVER!"

*gg's*
User was warned for being hilarious
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51459 Posts
December 11 2016 11:28 GMT
#148
dunno why terror didn't go for the macro game. he showed some really kickass games against stork on friday night.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8509 Posts
December 11 2016 11:28 GMT
#149
Pretty much what I expected from Terror...
ThreeActPlay
Profile Joined April 2011
United States249 Posts
December 11 2016 11:29 GMT
#150
these games have not been very good
twitter.com/haethos
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
December 11 2016 11:30 GMT
#151
On December 11 2016 20:28 GTR wrote:
dunno why terror didn't go for the macro game. he showed some really kickass games against stork on friday night.

yeah Terror was in full panic mode, shame.
Michael Probu
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 11 2016 11:31 GMT
#152
So is he officially rekt?

Also, if any of you guys care to recommend any games feel free to do so here

Poll: Recommend FlaSh vs Terror?

If you have time (16)
 
59%

Absolutely yes! (8)
 
30%

Who would want to watch that (3)
 
11%

27 total votes

Your vote: Recommend FlaSh vs Terror?

(Vote): Absolutely yes!
(Vote): Who would want to watch that
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend Movie vs Soulkey?

Who would want to watch that? (15)
 
52%

If you have time (8)
 
28%

Absolutely yes! (6)
 
21%

29 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Movie vs Soulkey?

(Vote): Absolutely yes!
(Vote): Who would want to watch that?
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend the Winners' Match?

If you have time (10)
 
38%

Absolutely yes! (9)
 
35%

Who would want to watch that? (7)
 
27%

26 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the Winners' Match?

(Vote): Absolutely yes!
(Vote): Who would want to watch that?
(Vote): If you have time



Poll: Recommend the Losers' Match?

Who would want to watch that? (17)
 
81%

Absolutely yes! (2)
 
10%

If you have time (2)
 
10%

21 total votes

Your vote: Recommend the Losers' Match?

(Vote): Absolutely yes!
(Vote): Who would want to watch that?
(Vote): If you have time

WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19240 Posts
December 11 2016 11:31 GMT
#153
On December 11 2016 20:27 c3rberUs wrote:
Well fuck, I'm getting no video feed on any stream or via VLC. rip

http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 ^
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2141 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 11:36:00
December 11 2016 11:31 GMT
#154
On December 11 2016 20:21 LongShot27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2016 20:20 Miragee wrote:
On December 11 2016 20:14 LongShot27 wrote:
On December 11 2016 19:54 [[Starlight]] wrote:
The Twitch stream commentary is so annoying. How many different ways can they work SC2 into the conversation?

"SC2 has taught players SO MUCH MORE about how to play SC1!!!"

Wait, what?? Derp. o_0



See this is why people hate BW circle jerkers so much. Artosis said that playing SC2 has made the best BW players better at some aspects of broodwar. If you think that isn't true, well you're just wrong. SC2 is an easier mechanical game allowing players to focus more on strategy, tactics, creativity and other aspects. They bring what they've been able to do in SC2 back to BW and combine that with the higher mechanical demands they are doing and they are better players. It's the same as the chess analogy. You don't learn how to click faster or how to use control groups but you do learn how to plan for the future 20 moves in advance.

Soulkey didn't win his game against Movie because he played better mechanically, he won because he used a creative strategy, that literally looked exactly like a 2012-2013 SC2 build. Get over yourself, watch a different stream and stop trying to keep your nostalgic "pure, bw is the only Starcraft ever crap to yourself."


Soulkey's strategy was NOT creative. It's a strategy that's literally years old and has been played often over the past few years. I would also argue that Soulkey was a much higher caliber player in 2011 than he is now.

I don't disagree with the assumption that players may take some ideas from SC2 to BW which gives them advantages. I did, too, for example. However, in this case it's simply not true.


You know what, I'm done, no one fucking reads, circle jerk about your game, kill both of them because you can't deal with anyone who doesn't love your pure nostalgia.

and this is why the anti bw-circlejerker circlejerkers are just as bad as the bw circlejerkers themselves

kinda wish the mods would ban pro vs anti sc2 debate in general in the bw forum...
vibeo gane,
eekmice
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States373 Posts
December 11 2016 11:32 GMT
#155
This was flash playing well than soulkey playing poorly. i'll try to simplify the thoughts that bisu expressed on his stream during the last moments.

1) flash sent out his 12 unit army out to force the lurkers to burrow/unborrow and slow down their progress towards his base if soulkey was morphing lurks inside his base.

2) soulkey had morphed lurks outside and had ~1 group of lings outside flash's base. And when flash moved his initial army out, he moved his lings into his base which was very nice. it made flash into a hard decision. do i send my initial army back (giving time for the sunkens) or do i go rush into his nat hoping my army that comes out from the rax to defend it.

if you watch the the minimap during this time, flash doesn't even hesitate and moves his army straight to soulkey's nat.

3) if sk does go back and defend, note that he has no spire and has no harassing tools so flash can save 400-500 minerals in turrets and can push out a lot earlier. and does he really want to go late game vs flash?
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
December 11 2016 11:33 GMT
#156
On December 11 2016 20:29 ThreeActPlay wrote:
these games have not been very good

I know. I think more BO3s would make better games. The players would not have their back against the wall, facing elimination all the time. It creates a lot of nerves..
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
December 11 2016 11:33 GMT
#157
I feel like the most any BW player would get out of SC2 would be mental and psychological rather than strategical. The increased opportunities to play in the booth and on stage (and sometimes on the bigger stage of a foreign tournament or grand finals) would've helped those players steel themselves against any remaining stage fright or other mental roadblocks.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 11:36:35
December 11 2016 11:33 GMT
#158
On December 11 2016 20:31 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2016 20:27 c3rberUs wrote:
Well fuck, I'm getting no video feed on any stream or via VLC. rip

http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 ^

Unfortunately it's my net connection. (which rarely goes south like tonight though.)
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-11 11:35:42
December 11 2016 11:33 GMT
#159
I'd feel bad for Movie especially after how he lost the first game, but Soulkey needs to advance. Ro16 needs more Zerg
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
December 11 2016 11:34 GMT
#160
On December 11 2016 20:29 ThreeActPlay wrote:
these games have not been very good

Idk what is worse... the games or the commercials.
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