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On August 09 2015 19:59 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 19:35 juvenal wrote:On August 09 2015 19:08 LaStScan wrote:On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote:
Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims. Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S. Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat. ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean. "Latent racism". Worshipping Koreans doesn't mean you can display latent racism nonetheless. Have a closer look how often his nationality is stressed out, which is absolutely unrelated to the discussion about him playing. Granted, the rules were probably written without admins having any idea what kind of absurd contradictions they were about to generate. However, the entire discussion boils down to: Scan currently lags and therefore gets and unfair advantage Scan crossed the line and shouldn't be considered an amateur anymore vs. Scan did play in the past and is a member of the community We want to provide the community with games No nationality whatsoever needed. For now, I tend to agree that Scan might be thrown out of the tournaments (and for sure not play in the final TLS season), simply because the gap in his skill became too large. However, what's actually said is: - He is Korean, therefore he mustn't play. He also mustn't post. Korean's opinions do not matter.
- He shits on competition, reasons being he uses off race, and he probably laughs at us.
- He only visits these pages for money and "fame".
- He has no life and trains all day.
- All he ever did is laughable.
All that isn't needed. Who would possibly benefit from Scan moving away from any foreign BW page? He did helpful things, which he knew couldn't potentially bring him any kind of gain. I like him as a user and as that I want to keep him around. He for sure is more valuable to the scene than a "I never play but once was sort of famous" G5 or a "everyone fuck off, kurwas" Julia.
I agree that certain users are being rude and unmannered in the way they are complaining, but you can´t generalize putting all the people in the same bag, a lot of people has expressed their opinion in really good terms and manner. I see no racism at all, I love korea and I love koreans I respect them as human beigns and I envy how skilled and hardworking they are.
That being said I also think that letting Scan play hurts more than benefits the scene.
The cast yesterday was being amazing then finals came and what happened is what we all know and sadly is the same that is going to happen over and over.
Let´s try to respect more each other, we can´t start talking bad to each other if we don´t get what we want.
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There was some great games last night, and the casting was fun too. i missed the end as it was late unfortunately
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So underlining that he is korean is racist, but calling the tournament a 'foreigner' tour, is absolutly not racist. Philosophy 2.0
I like korea, I don't like scan for what he is. Trying to call that racism is being ignorant, but I've never thought more of some people here.
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On August 09 2015 20:17 sas.ZaRaki wrote:
Let´s try to respect more each other, we can´t start talking bad to each other if we don´t get what we want.
Ok. In that spirit
feliz cumpleanos, ZaRaki!
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On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote:
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
Sorry to tell you that, but if you had that sportsmanship you talking about and if you were a man
you wouldnt be playing in an easy tournaments against players way below your level
if you had sense of morale you should've left already and wouldnt be so stuborn to be in a place where others dont want you knowing you ruin their experience
and lastly talking about man up, it will be good to go and show your talent in sospa scene where you belong and where you participate( i can assure you everyone will cheer for u being part of our community), none of them other players play in C or D leagues, the few cases that ive seen gets insta ban's.
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I have an idea , bring more koreans to this tournament , it has some money , and i`m sure most of the low tier semi-pros koreans would like to participate.Get rid of this "only foreigners kinda tour" mentality , we are too small to separate.
I don`t mind scan playing , he is always been here for some easy money , and nothing more , and that is okay.We need more koreans in this tournament thats all we want.Some will say "but the lagg plz kurwa" i rather play in lagg vs better player then stay in iccup and play vs 200-9 A+ who can play until 5 minute mark.Don`t get me wrong , i think Scan is ignorant and selfish kid , but a good player.We need good players.
I have no motivation playing this game , while there is no good players.
Also Scan , don`t talk about internet connections when u know nothing about it.
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I would like a more detailed explanation regarding the rules in case of lag. The only rule is:
If there is persistent unplayable lag (lag screen comes up more than once in a short time), players must contact a Referee who will decide how to proceed.
Does that mean only when the lag screen comes up during a game that is played on extra high latency, it will be an official lag case? If that is the case but a player doesn't want to play on extra high latency, does he therefore automatically forfeit?
Also what are the usual possible options, if it is indeed per definition unplayable?
What about the edge case where both players cannot agree to a certain latency setting?
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On August 09 2015 22:00 _Animus_ wrote:
and lastly talking about man up, it will be good to go and show what you got in sospa scene where you belong and where you participate( i can assure you everyone will cheer for u being part of our community), none of them other players play in C or D leagues, the few cases that ive seen gets insta ban's.
apparently sonic is also not on amiable terms with Scan, simply because of the way he forfeits his SRT ro16 spot 2 years ago for no good reason, sonic dislikes amateurs that do not take his events seriously. perhaps thats part of the reason why Scan hasn't been in any SOSPA event since.
Since its obvious that the organizers wants good games and more competition (rather than pandering to foreigners only), if Scan is to be included, TLS/TLC should perhaps include other Koreans as well. some of the lower rank players would be interested in this kind of stuff too if they are informed.
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Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts.
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On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote:
Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts.
whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play.
and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence.
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea.
would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
otherwise simply ban Scan.
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On August 09 2015 22:52 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote:
Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts. whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play. and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence. if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky) otherwise simply ban Scan.
That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play in the TLC cups was the right choice by admins.
Maybe we need some adjustments but I trust the admins and their decisions. They watch the development of the tournament closely and will make adjustments if necessary. Who knows. Until then, stop crying and train harder. That's exactly what Scan is doing.
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On August 09 2015 21:09 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 20:17 sas.ZaRaki wrote:
Let´s try to respect more each other, we can´t start talking bad to each other if we don´t get what we want. Ok. In that spirit feliz cumpleanos, ZaRaki!
Is not my birthday thanks
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On August 09 2015 22:52 Probemicro wrote:
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea.
would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
otherwise simply ban Scan.
That is an exelent suggestion, knowing how good sonic is, he might even decide to sponsor merged leagues with foreigneer/korean players.
+1 for BBARAS.
However it think TLS(not TLC) should be foreigneer only, no scan no anyone, bassically as it was OSL and as its SSL Korean only league we should have such tournament in the face of TLS with the trademark of biggest foreigneer starleague.
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On August 09 2015 23:17 tenacity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 22:52 Probemicro wrote:On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote:
Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts. whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play. and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence. if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky) otherwise simply ban Scan. j That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play was the right choice by admins. Maybe we need some adjustments but I trust the admins and their decisions. They watch the development of the tournament closely and will make adjustments if necessary. Who knows. Until then, stop crying and train harder. That's exactly what Scan is doing.
you know if thats possible (beating scan even 50-50 consistently) people wouldnt have been whining anymore right? yes its easy to say "they should hunker down to no-life practice/strategise!", how many foreigners has the means/capability to do that? they have real life commitments, they dont have easy access to top korean pros for practise like scan does.
of course some are inherently lazy/bm but thats the reality of the foreign scene. its too much of a stretch of imagination for a foreigner and hunker down and practice like mad just to be even with scan, as much as i like to see it happen. just not possible
that why i concur with infected and gave those suggestions above. because it would be sad to see scan to win almost every TLC before admins finally rue their decision.
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On August 09 2015 23:17 tenacity wrote:
That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play in the TLC cups was the right choice by admins.
you don't get it. The main reason is that "he's too good because he's Korean". Does it make sense? One can argue. But that's the logic behind Koreans/Foreigners separation itself, and it always was. No one wanted Sziky out when he raped TLS 1-3, because he's a foreigner, a legitimate foreigner, albeit significantly better than the rest.
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Hey look Scan has won every single cup so far and undefeated in the finals of every cup so far, what a surprise.
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On August 09 2015 19:20 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 17:16 GeckoXp wrote:On August 09 2015 16:52 G5 wrote:On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote:
A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum?
Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better. As such, let me try again: I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke. I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception. He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol. Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH. Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together. I think that latent racism can go on all Koreans who are participating NA/EU tournaments in SC2. ForGG, Stardust, Jaedong, Gamja(iCCup: vTv.tO2s, he's now sc2 pro), and so on. Sorry for bringing up a little information about SC2 because I think it can be little related. I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/
My mind is blown that you are trying to use Korean pros playing in foreign sc2 tournaments / teams as a way to justify you playing in this event. (LOL)
StarCraft 2 is a completely different game, the skill ceiling is 100% lower than BW, the skill gap between Koreans and Foreigners in SC2 and BW is like night and day, you of all people know this Scan, it is honestly pretty sad to see you using SC2 to try to defend your legitimacy in this tournament....
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On August 09 2015 18:56 LaStScan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2015 16:52 G5 wrote:On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote:
A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum?
Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better. As such, let me try again: I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke. I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception. He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol. I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency). Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
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