On August 03 2015 07:26 ImbaTosS wrote: I would win, but I'm away for one week. I think that somewhat damages the legitimacy of the winner, but HF anyway.
i mean, i am a bit offended that you're taking something away from my sure victory, but i'll take it anyway.
On August 03 2015 07:18 GGzerG wrote: Hype. I wonder who will win this week.
I wonder if we'll see more good and fun games. (Which is the intent behind the tour.) So far it's been working out great in my opinion, really enjoying the casts and replays. Notably Scan's as well, even though they're often one-sided, I've learned a lot and some were pretty close and entertaining.
True.. probably he's vulnerable in bo1 match ups due to eventual cheese /and its still a long shot/ but hell.. I really dont see anyone taking him out in bo3 let alone bo5. With Sziky missing Trutacz is the best foreign player nowdays and well.. we all saw the games.
For anyone who is going to practice on Saturday, you can join the BWAPI mini tour #3 for some practice (and for the 1st or 2nd prize money ofc).
I am going to play in TLC3 as myself (as in, not with my bot) after I am done with the BWAPI mini tour #3. There you will see why I am better off programming a bot with 100 cpm than playing BW with 100 apm
On August 04 2015 02:27 ggnore13 wrote: True.. probably he's vulnerable in bo1 match ups due to eventual cheese /and its still a long shot/ but hell.. I really dont see anyone taking him out in bo3 let alone bo5. With Sziky missing Trutacz is the best foreign player nowdays and well.. we all saw the games.
Don't think the gap between trutaCz and an active Sziky is as big as you think (or as it sounds like by your post) - let alone now that trutaCz have been practicing even more. trutaCz can do a lot better than he did in those finals, but I do agree that it's pretty much a default in a bo3/bo5-series which takes a lot of the fun away.
OT: Hopefully I can make it and participate this time! Signed up.
I'm also curious to see if anyone other than Scan can take trutaCz down. Especially a non-Zerg. Maybe that's something to practise for if Scan seems too distant for a target atm.
On August 04 2015 02:27 ggnore13 wrote: True.. probably he's vulnerable in bo1 match ups due to eventual cheese /and its still a long shot/ but hell.. I really dont see anyone taking him out in bo3 let alone bo5. With Sziky missing Trutacz is the best foreign player nowdays and well.. we all saw the games.
Don't think the gap between trutaCz and an active Sziky is as big as you think (or as it sounds like by your post) - let alone now that trutaCz have been practicing even more. trutaCz can do a lot better than he did in those finals, but I do agree that it's pretty much a default in a bo3/bo5-series which takes a lot of the fun away.
OT: Hopefully I can make it and participate this time! Signed up.
Oh I do think Sziky is better than trutaCz but I am aware the gap is not really that big. As for if he can do better vs scan I'm not sure of that.. I mean he is good but Scan's perfomance have vastly improved lately and the times when foreigners could pick off some games of him in defiler tournaments are gone imo.
@Stratos: There was a guy in Defiler Tour 70 (iwL-Djem5) who played well against trutaCz as protoss (lost 2:1) but in general I dont think there is a non zerg foreigner with good chances against truta but yes maybe its achievable by more practicing.
i think we will see a lot of improvement in the TLC's to come. Despite a couple of players saying they feel unmotivated to practice or won't play because of scan, i think enough players are trying to get active again. Because of that reason, i will reserve my judgement on the kind of question discussed above for later. It#s fine to discuss this subjects sure, i just think there is vast room to improve for a lot of top foreigners atm, so the results of the early cups shouldn't be overinterpreted.
On August 04 2015 10:32 neteX wrote: i also think that some old schoolers will come back to play, I've been talking to a few of them and they might join up
That would be really cool Old-schoolers bring a lot of hype with them every time.
Changed the broadcast time to be one hour later, which makes the cast start now at 19:00 GMT (+00:00). This will give us, organizers, some breathing room between the tournament and the broadcast, allowing us to have enough time choosing which games to cast.
Any willing to change any map for next tourney? I really want to see Blue Storm in the pack for next cups. Maybe need to get rid of Tau Cross or Match Point. Don't touch Destination, that map shows exciting games.
On August 08 2015 04:45 Atom[Bomb] wrote: Yea, TLC is one of the reasons I came back to BW from a 5 year break. So yeah, you making these events happen affects the activity of the bw scene.
I do think more and more oldschool players will show up in the participant list of TLC.
Lastly, I should be able to attend TLC #3.
On August 08 2015 05:21 neteX wrote: I will probably register for every tournament and play those i can play ;3
On August 04 2015 04:09 Stratos wrote: I'm also curious to see if anyone other than Scan can take trutaCz down. Especially a non-Zerg. Maybe that's something to practise for if Scan seems too distant for a target atm.
Where are these protoss scums when you need them? Is the art of DTs forgotten already?
On August 04 2015 04:09 Stratos wrote: I'm also curious to see if anyone other than Scan can take trutaCz down. Especially a non-Zerg. Maybe that's something to practise for if Scan seems too distant for a target atm.
guess that was my last participation on tlc. getting w.o. when opponent has unplayable lag is kind of ridiculus.i think admins have to show their solidarity to scan after all the posts on tl. not that i would lose anyway in a bo3 but thats nonsense² in my opinion. it laged on high lat, i dont know how 2pac wasnt able to notice it... and then these questions from 2pac: "you forfeit 3rd place match, vanatir?" and "what does W.O. vs Scan has to do with 3rd place match?" its a matter of principle as simple as it is. i need to watch this vod again to get into a better mood
On August 09 2015 06:11 vanatir wrote: guess that was my last participation on tlc. getting w.o. when opponent has unplayable lag is kind of ridiculus.i think admins have to show their solidarity to scan after all the posts on tl. not that i would lose anyway in a bo3 but thats nonsense² in my opinion. it laged on high lat, i dont know how 2pac wasnt able to notice it... and then these questions from 2pac: "you forfeit 3rd place match, vanatir?" and "what does W.O. vs Scan has to do with 3rd place match?" its a matter of principle as simple as it is. i need to watch this vod again to get into a better mood
On August 09 2015 06:32 2Pacalypse- wrote: There wasn't any lagg at high lat, you simply refused to play. Then you refused to play 3rd place match as well.
thats no true,in high lat units still moving very slopy -.- no to tell micro muta is just a joke,i have some games vs scan when he was in the U.S and i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D
On August 09 2015 06:32 2Pacalypse- wrote: There wasn't any lagg at high lat, you simply refused to play. Then you refused to play 3rd place match as well.
thats no true,in high lat units still moving very slopy -.- no to tell micro muta is just a joke,i have some games vs scan when he was in the U.S and i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D
There is a difference between a lagg and latency. There was no lagg. High latency is unfortunate, but if we start banning everyone who needs to play on high latency, we'll have like 10 players total ^^.
On August 09 2015 06:11 vanatir wrote: guess that was my last participation on tlc. getting w.o. when opponent has unplayable lag is kind of ridiculus.i think admins have to show their solidarity to scan after all the posts on tl. not that i would lose anyway in a bo3 but thats nonsense² in my opinion. it laged on high lat, i dont know how 2pac wasnt able to notice it... and then these questions from 2pac: "you forfeit 3rd place match, vanatir?" and "what does W.O. vs Scan has to do with 3rd place match?" its a matter of principle as simple as it is. i need to watch this vod again to get into a better mood
So why did he get a w.o. vs Enjoyme? Becasue Enjoyme refused to play under what he perceived as to much lag?
Actually i did get to play Scan too today and regardless of the latency there was a noticeable delay in the reaction of the units which felt really unnatural. I have never experienced something like that playing with a foreigner for example. Also i am sure that if i had to micro goons vs fd id get rekt simply because of the slower unit response.
A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
Are you really talking about sportmanship? Don't make me laugh.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
come on, a nonkorean is no way near scan's level. as a viewer this is kind of sad to watch a foreign tournament of rapes. maybe you guys could exclude the finals and other scan games from the stream? They're just rapes and everyone knows who wins.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
im not asking for ban,that times are over,im just talking about reality,sadly my macro and multitask arent close to yours,so while my micro mutas is actually pretty good i dont have the abitly of a semipro to do the rest,and even having a big lead in my games vs you still loss late anyways,the first game u typed low lat :o then after 30 seconds the game started lagging,i didnt change or anything since once i saw the lings the game was over.as i said the times to complain are over,admins already decided you are allowed to play in the tournament,i just cant acept the fake comments that there is not lag againt you.(no like this change a sh*t the result will be the same,but if it was already hard to play now is even more harder and unpleasant .when are you returning to the U.S ? maybe you should stop playing in the cups till then ?
A korean aggressively lecturing just about every foreigner about lag in a "foreigner" tournament? Priceless. Bulgaria, many EU countries and South Korea all have pretty good internet services on a global scale i believe. The thing is eu/us-korea connection is far from good for bw competitive 1v1 games nowadays. Both z and p suffer siginificantly against the better ranged terran army imo. This increases the korean terran advantage further in even a slight lag on high lat in my plenty of experience. Vs sziky i dont suffer the very least. The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know that or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH.
Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH.
Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together.
Looks like fan-boyism isn't dead afterall. Jesus Christ buddy, looks like you've been building that up for a while. You act as though everything mean anyone has ever said about scan is in my post. Now that you got that out of your system, hopefully you can read words and make proper sense of them with an unbiased and clear head.
By the way, I'm glad you directed your hatred towards me on how the community treats your boy-crush because many others would take it out of it's true context and confuse it for a personal attack (like you).
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH.
Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together.
Looks like fan-boyism isn't dead afterall. Jesus Christ buddy, looks like you've been building that up for a while. You act as though everything mean anyone has ever said about scan is in my post. Now that you got that out of your system, hopefully you can read words and make proper sense of them with an unbiased and clear head.
By the way, I'm glad you directed your hatred towards me on how the community treats your boy-crush because many others would take it out of it's true context and confuse it for a personal attack (like you).
I really don't care if Scan is allowed to play or not. Doesn't change the point that you don't understand your own words, they're nothing but an insult. Regardless of what Scan or admins said, eventually posts were directed to belittle Scan's contributions and make his status as valueable user questionable. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to make a difference between him as a member of several pages and his status as player in a tournament. All I read in your post is: "I wouldn't play either way, but let's shit on some people and blame someone I never met lol lol lol".
As I agree insulting Scan (or everyone) on personal matter is not right I totally get where the shitstorm is comming from. It was bad enough that he's a semipro korean with who we're seeing only one-sided games but he's also lagging on low lat which results with eonzerg having worse muta micro then me (and I am a C/C+ protoss player). And on top of it if someone (vanatir for example) refuses to play with that lag he gets kicked out and scan gets W.O. I mean.. really? If the administration likes scan so much then just put him straight into the finals which soon nobody will watch anyway and get him out of the rest of the games so the viewers can enjoy them. To sumamrize: last night there was a foreigner (which wasn't Sziky) who managed to eliminate trutacz. I honestly can't remember when was the last time that happened so I'd say this is a big deal and vanatir surely put in a lot of training. That was the very goal of these tournaments - to get the foreigners to practice. Now vanatir claims he wont play anymore. Not long ago I saw a post of trutacz saying he's thinking about not playing anymore. I bet the day we'll see the same statement from eonzerg is not very far in the future. Not to mention the many others who refused to participate in the tournament because of Scan and the participants who are not motivated enough to practice hard because of the same reason. You guys are messing up a wonderful event and you're messing it up BIG TIME.
On August 09 2015 13:51 Piste wrote: come on, a nonkorean is no way near scan's level. as a viewer this is kind of sad to watch a foreign tournament of rapes. maybe you guys could exclude the finals and other scan games from the stream? They're just rapes and everyone knows who wins.
This. I stopped watching when it got to the finals. Great fun up until that point - watching games you know the winner of however is not. I got him in Ro2 after playing vOddy as well, that is perhaps even less fun knowing you're out right away. Sadly I have no problems understanding those who doesn't participate due to Scan.
come on, a nonkorean is no way near scan's level. as a viewer this is kind of sad to watch a foreign tournament of rapes. maybe you guys could exclude the finals and other scan games from the stream? They're just rapes and everyone knows who wins.
Give everyone the same rules and people like eon, can outplay scan in the long run, he's probably a lot more talented anyway. Take that lag away, and his offracing is basicly done. You can only execute some strategies on lag and he abuses that.
What he does is he simply negates the multitasking and control top players have - by simply lagging.
This increases the korean terran advantage further in even a slight lag on high lat in my plenty of experience.
Organizers don't play bw. They do not understand what is lag or how it works, frustrating. We play most people, so we know who lags. Unfortunately, we can skip people in ladder, but not here. It becomes lagcraft.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH.
Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together.
I think that latent racism can go on all Koreans who are participating NA/EU tournaments in SC2. ForGG, Stardust, Jaedong, Gamja(iCCup: vTv.tO2s, he's now sc2 pro), and so on. Sorry for bringing up a little information about SC2 because I think it can be little related.
I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S.
Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat.
ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean.
I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/
Because Blizzard already fixed lag issues in warcraft3. If you have lag in war3, you have a problem. In war3 if you got lag issues, you just lost the game. In starcraft if you have lag, the other player plays on lag too.
That's the fucking difference. I assume in sc2 it's quite similar.
We would be hyped about Jaedong too, cuz Jaedong is cool, you're not. Beside, you wouldn't play here if other koreans were participating, which is even more funny to discuss.
ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean.
You got to understand him, he reports you on icc abuse for racism, if you ask whether he's korean.
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S.
Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat.
ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean.
"Latent racism". Worshipping Koreans doesn't mean you can display latent racism nonetheless. Have a closer look how often his nationality is stressed out, which is absolutely unrelated to the discussion about him playing. Granted, the rules were probably written without admins having any idea what kind of absurd contradictions they were about to generate. However, the entire discussion boils down to:
Scan currently lags and therefore gets and unfair advantage Scan crossed the line and shouldn't be considered an amateur anymore
vs.
Scan did play in the past and is a member of the community We want to provide the community with games
No nationality whatsoever needed. For now, I tend to agree that Scan might be thrown out of the tournaments (and for sure not play in the final TLS season), simply because the gap in his skill became too large. However, what's actually said is:
He is Korean, therefore he mustn't play. He also mustn't post. Korean's opinions do not matter.
He shits on competition, reasons being he uses off race, and he probably laughs at us.
He only visits these pages for money and "fame".
He has no life and trains all day.
All he ever did is laughable.
All that isn't needed. Who would possibly benefit from Scan moving away from any foreign BW page? He did helpful things, which he knew couldn't potentially bring him any kind of gain. I like him as a user and as that I want to keep him around. He for sure is more valuable to the scene than a "I never play but once was sort of famous" G5 or a "everyone fuck off, kurwas" Julia.
On August 09 2015 19:20 LaStScan wrote: I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/
You are not part of any foreign team.
BTW. for your knowledge, BW is racist and you have to face it. And it's not because of foreigners - you koreans started it with your selfish behaviour long ago.
When people in this thread mention Scan's Korean, I assume they mean it as a synonym of having unfair advantage - they just don't want to repeat over and over how the two tings are related (same language, no ping fish games, same cultures, practicing with pros blabla). I don't see anyone saying anything about opinions of Koreans.
ps: offracing is bm. It makes your opponent mad knowing he can't defeat your off race let alone the main one. Otherwise - why is offensive gg bm? You know the game's over as a matter of fact so what's wrong? You gotta take the emotions into consideration, that's what.
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S.
Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat.
ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean.
"Latent racism". Worshipping Koreans doesn't mean you can display latent racism nonetheless. Have a closer look how often his nationality is stressed out, which is absolutely unrelated to the discussion about him playing. Granted, the rules were probably written without admins having any idea what kind of absurd contradictions they were about to generate. However, the entire discussion boils down to:
Scan currently lags and therefore gets and unfair advantage Scan crossed the line and shouldn't be considered an amateur anymore
vs.
Scan did play in the past and is a member of the community We want to provide the community with games
No nationality whatsoever needed. For now, I tend to agree that Scan might be thrown out of the tournaments (and for sure not play in the final TLS season), simply because the gap in his skill became too large. However, what's actually said is:
He is Korean, therefore he mustn't play. He also mustn't post. Korean's opinions do not matter.
He shits on competition, reasons being he uses off race, and he probably laughs at us.
He only visits these pages for money and "fame".
He has no life and trains all day.
All he ever did is laughable.
All that isn't needed. Who would possibly benefit from Scan moving away from any foreign BW page? He did helpful things, which he knew couldn't potentially bring him any kind of gain. I like him as a user and as that I want to keep him around. He for sure is more valuable to the scene than a "I never play but once was sort of famous" G5 or a "everyone fuck off, kurwas" Julia.
I agree that certain users are being rude and unmannered in the way they are complaining, but you can´t generalize putting all the people in the same bag, a lot of people has expressed their opinion in really good terms and manner. I see no racism at all, I love korea and I love koreans I respect them as human beigns and I envy how skilled and hardworking they are. That being said I also think that letting Scan play hurts more than benefits the scene. The cast yesterday was being amazing then finals came and what happened is what we all know and sadly is the same that is going to happen over and over. Let´s try to respect more each other, we can´t start talking bad to each other if we don´t get what we want.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
Sorry to tell you that, but if you had that sportsmanship you talking about and if you were a man
you wouldnt be playing in an easy tournaments against players way below your level
if you had sense of morale you should've left already and wouldnt be so stuborn to be in a place where others dont want you knowing you ruin their experience
and lastly talking about man up, it will be good to go and show your talent in sospa scene where you belong and where you participate( i can assure you everyone will cheer for u being part of our community), none of them other players play in C or D leagues, the few cases that ive seen gets insta ban's.
I have an idea , bring more koreans to this tournament , it has some money , and i`m sure most of the low tier semi-pros koreans would like to participate.Get rid of this "only foreigners kinda tour" mentality , we are too small to separate.
I don`t mind scan playing , he is always been here for some easy money , and nothing more , and that is okay.We need more koreans in this tournament thats all we want.Some will say "but the lagg plz kurwa" i rather play in lagg vs better player then stay in iccup and play vs 200-9 A+ who can play until 5 minute mark.Don`t get me wrong , i think Scan is ignorant and selfish kid , but a good player.We need good players.
I have no motivation playing this game , while there is no good players. Also Scan , don`t talk about internet connections when u know nothing about it.
I would like a more detailed explanation regarding the rules in case of lag. The only rule is:
If there is persistent unplayable lag (lag screen comes up more than once in a short time), players must contact a Referee who will decide how to proceed.
Does that mean only when the lag screen comes up during a game that is played on extra high latency, it will be an official lag case? If that is the case but a player doesn't want to play on extra high latency, does he therefore automatically forfeit?
Also what are the usual possible options, if it is indeed per definition unplayable?
What about the edge case where both players cannot agree to a certain latency setting?
and lastly talking about man up, it will be good to go and show what you got in sospa scene where you belong and where you participate( i can assure you everyone will cheer for u being part of our community), none of them other players play in C or D leagues, the few cases that ive seen gets insta ban's.
apparently sonic is also not on amiable terms with Scan, simply because of the way he forfeits his SRT ro16 spot 2 years ago for no good reason, sonic dislikes amateurs that do not take his events seriously. perhaps thats part of the reason why Scan hasn't been in any SOSPA event since.
Since its obvious that the organizers wants good games and more competition (rather than pandering to foreigners only), if Scan is to be included, TLS/TLC should perhaps include other Koreans as well. some of the lower rank players would be interested in this kind of stuff too if they are informed.
On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote: Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts.
whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play. and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence.
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote: Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts.
whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play. and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence.
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
otherwise simply ban Scan.
That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play in the TLC cups was the right choice by admins.
Maybe we need some adjustments but I trust the admins and their decisions. They watch the development of the tournament closely and will make adjustments if necessary. Who knows. Until then, stop crying and train harder. That's exactly what Scan is doing.
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
otherwise simply ban Scan.
That is an exelent suggestion, knowing how good sonic is, he might even decide to sponsor merged leagues with foreigneer/korean players.
+1 for BBARAS.
However it think TLS(not TLC) should be foreigneer only, no scan no anyone, bassically as it was OSL and as its SSL Korean only league we should have such tournament in the face of TLS with the trademark of biggest foreigneer starleague.
On August 09 2015 22:32 tenacity wrote: Wow, this thread really is full of pathetic posts.
whether you agree/disagree with the community reaction or think its downright disgusting, the fact of the matter is that few if any of the foreigners can match up to Scan's play. and with every TLC more and more of the top foreign players are being put off, discouraged from participating and suffering from connectivity issues due to Scan's presence.
if the organizers want to instill any more spirit and competitiveness into the competitions they should include other Koreans and maybe Chinese into the tourneys so that we don't see a Scan win almost every TLC. If thats the case I think it would be nice if some Sonic BBARAS players join, would be good to give Sonic startup team more morale and publicity outside Korea. would also act as a nice exchange program between Sonic and the foreign community (who knows Sonic might even gain an interest in top foreign players like Sziky)
otherwise simply ban Scan.
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That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play was the right choice by admins.
Maybe we need some adjustments but I trust the admins and their decisions. They watch the development of the tournament closely and will make adjustments if necessary. Who knows. Until then, stop crying and train harder. That's exactly what Scan is doing.
you know if thats possible (beating scan even 50-50 consistently) people wouldnt have been whining anymore right? yes its easy to say "they should hunker down to no-life practice/strategise!", how many foreigners has the means/capability to do that? they have real life commitments, they dont have easy access to top korean pros for practise like scan does.
of course some are inherently lazy/bm but thats the reality of the foreign scene. its too much of a stretch of imagination for a foreigner and hunker down and practice like mad just to be even with scan, as much as i like to see it happen. just not possible
that why i concur with infected and gave those suggestions above. because it would be sad to see scan to win almost every TLC before admins finally rue their decision.
On August 09 2015 23:17 tenacity wrote: That's the only reason why everyone wants Scan to get banned from this tournament. Because he is too good. That is the only reason. Not his nationality, not the lag.(He doesn't lag btw. Many ppl can 1on1 him even on low lat) But instead of standing united and train together, a lot of ppl want the easy way out by banning him. Personally, I think letting Scan play in the TLC cups was the right choice by admins.
you don't get it. The main reason is that "he's too good because he's Korean". Does it make sense? One can argue. But that's the logic behind Koreans/Foreigners separation itself, and it always was. No one wanted Sziky out when he raped TLS 1-3, because he's a foreigner, a legitimate foreigner, albeit significantly better than the rest.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH.
Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together.
I think that latent racism can go on all Koreans who are participating NA/EU tournaments in SC2. ForGG, Stardust, Jaedong, Gamja(iCCup: vTv.tO2s, he's now sc2 pro), and so on. Sorry for bringing up a little information about SC2 because I think it can be little related.
I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/
My mind is blown that you are trying to use Korean pros playing in foreign sc2 tournaments / teams as a way to justify you playing in this event. (LOL)
StarCraft 2 is a completely different game, the skill ceiling is 100% lower than BW, the skill gap between Koreans and Foreigners in SC2 and BW is like night and day, you of all people know this Scan, it is honestly pretty sad to see you using SC2 to try to defend your legitimacy in this tournament....
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
Replay pack is sadly incomplete yet again, this time it's just a couple of replays from the first round and there should be no more missing in the future since r1ch fixed whatever was causing the issue.
Yet another evening of fun games, looking forward to the next week.
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims.
Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S.
Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat.
ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean.
"Latent racism". Worshipping Koreans doesn't mean you can display latent racism nonetheless. Have a closer look how often his nationality is stressed out, which is absolutely unrelated to the discussion about him playing. Granted, the rules were probably written without admins having any idea what kind of absurd contradictions they were about to generate. However, the entire discussion boils down to:
Scan currently lags and therefore gets and unfair advantage Scan crossed the line and shouldn't be considered an amateur anymore
vs.
Scan did play in the past and is a member of the community We want to provide the community with games
No nationality whatsoever needed. For now, I tend to agree that Scan might be thrown out of the tournaments (and for sure not play in the final TLS season), simply because the gap in his skill became too large. However, what's actually said is:
He is Korean, therefore he mustn't play. He also mustn't post. Korean's opinions do not matter.
He shits on competition, reasons being he uses off race, and he probably laughs at us.
He only visits these pages for money and "fame".
He has no life and trains all day.
All he ever did is laughable.
All that isn't needed. Who would possibly benefit from Scan moving away from any foreign BW page? He did helpful things, which he knew couldn't potentially bring him any kind of gain. I like him as a user and as that I want to keep him around. He for sure is more valuable to the scene than a "I never play but once was sort of famous" G5 or a "everyone fuck off, kurwas" Julia.
I agree that certain users are being rude and unmannered in the way they are complaining, but you can´t generalize putting all the people in the same bag, a lot of people has expressed their opinion in really good terms and manner. I see no racism at all, I love korea and I love koreans I respect them as human beigns and I envy how skilled and hardworking they are. That being said I also think that letting Scan play hurts more than benefits the scene. The cast yesterday was being amazing then finals came and what happened is what we all know and sadly is the same that is going to happen over and over. Let´s try to respect more each other, we can´t start talking bad to each other if we don´t get what we want.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
Adding an additional information implies Poland is poor. Just wow.. G5.. zzz I'm talking about a country, BG. Not the U.S.. Is that how you understand of my sentences? Great job. you probably know more vocabulary and much more fluent English than I am. Though, you are the only person understanding in that way at the moment. Even Geckoxp clearly said that he does not see me saying Poland is poor.
If you would like to bash my English, go ahead. I've worked my ass to finish most of my English courses in school in California. Currently only 1 English course left.
Oh, wait a minute. I think I shouldn't be replying and talking to you because maybe this is what you truly want and somehow dragging me in.
So now we are talking about internet speeds / Scan's english. Well, this is getting no where. I wonder how many Cups scan will win 3-0 in the finals in before people realize that we need a change.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
Adding an additional information implies Poland is poor. Just wow.. G5.. zzz I'm talking about a country, BG. Not the U.S.. Is that how you understand of my sentences? Great job. you probably know more vocabulary and much more fluent English than I am. Though, you are the only person understanding in that way at the moment. Even Geckoxp clearly said that he does not see me saying Poland is poor.
If you would like to bash my English, go ahead. I've worked my ass to finish most of my English courses in school in California. Currently only 1 English course left.
Oh, wait a minute. I think I shouldn't be replying and talking to you because maybe this is what you truly want and somehow dragging me in.
Yes, I am more fluent in English than you. Thank you for recognizing that. As such, your criticisms of my interpretation of your English writing is invalid. Go finish your last English course and try again if you think that'll help.
I don't want to drag you into a conversation. It's pretty obvious that we can't have a conversation... Egomaniac.
GGzerG is right. This is pointless and goes no where. I'm done arguing here. It's obviously not going to change anything. I'm just so disappointed in these admins and this scan kid. I won't even be reading this crap anymore.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
Adding an additional information implies Poland is poor. Just wow.. G5.. zzz I'm talking about a country, BG. Not the U.S.. Is that how you understand of my sentences? Great job. you probably know more vocabulary and much more fluent English than I am. Though, you are the only person understanding in that way at the moment. Even Geckoxp clearly said that he does not see me saying Poland is poor.
If you would like to bash my English, go ahead. I've worked my ass to finish most of my English courses in school in California. Currently only 1 English course left.
Oh, wait a minute. I think I shouldn't be replying and talking to you because maybe this is what you truly want and somehow dragging me in.
хаха, just watch this, http://www.vbox7.com/play:0fee5f7b72 its on bulgarian but it bassically states that in 2011 we are on the 3rd place for download speed worldwide. Here internet is cheap and fast. And I dont remember myself lagging in a game ever. Altough our country current state is not very well, internet department is at top level.
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it?
Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?
Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D"
@eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL.
@Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network.
From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people.
Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got.
So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better.
As such, let me try again:
I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke.
I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception.
He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol.
I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency).
Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players.
"Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me?" - This is why I say you imply Poland is poor. If you were just talking about Trutacz's individual internet, you wouldn't have mentioned Poland.
"Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network." - This is why I say you speculate USA hasn't developed proper internet.
Perhaps I don't understand you because your English is too poor and comes off the wrong way. As I was told you lived in the United States, maybe I expected better English from you that I should have. IF that is the case, I apologize for misunderstanding you.
However, I do not agree with the notion that the lag is simply everyone else and not you. Even if Korea has the best internet in the world (which it does thanks to SKT1), it doesn't mean everyone in the world connects best with them. There are reasons Koreans and Chinese are excluded from foreigner tournaments and lag is part of it (granted though, it's not the biggest reason).
Adding an additional information implies Poland is poor. Just wow.. G5.. zzz I'm talking about a country, BG. Not the U.S.. Is that how you understand of my sentences? Great job. you probably know more vocabulary and much more fluent English than I am. Though, you are the only person understanding in that way at the moment. Even Geckoxp clearly said that he does not see me saying Poland is poor.
If you would like to bash my English, go ahead. I've worked my ass to finish most of my English courses in school in California. Currently only 1 English course left.
Oh, wait a minute. I think I shouldn't be replying and talking to you because maybe this is what you truly want and somehow dragging me in.
Yes, I am more fluent in English than you. Thank you for recognizing that. As such, your criticisms of my interpretation of your English writing is invalid. Go finish your last English course and try again if you think that'll help.
I don't want to drag you into a conversation. It's pretty obvious that we can't have a conversation... Egomaniac.
GGzerG is right. This is pointless and goes no where. I'm done arguing here. It's obviously not going to change anything. I'm just so disappointed in these admins and this scan kid. I won't even be reading this crap anymore.
You're acting childish. Very disappointing to see from a veteran player.
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