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Piste
6177 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6591 Posts
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it? Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me? Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D" @eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL. @Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network. From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people. Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got. im not asking for ban,that times are over,im just talking about reality,sadly my macro and multitask arent close to yours,so while my micro mutas is actually pretty good i dont have the abitly of a semipro to do the rest,and even having a big lead in my games vs you still loss late anyways,the first game u typed low lat :o then after 30 seconds the game started lagging,i didnt change or anything since once i saw the lings the game was over.as i said the times to complain are over,admins already decided you are allowed to play in the tournament,i just cant acept the fake comments that there is not lag againt you.(no like this change a sh*t the result will be the same,but if it was already hard to play now is even more harder and unpleasant .when are you returning to the U.S ? maybe you should stop playing in the cups till then ? | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Bulgaria, many EU countries and South Korea all have pretty good internet services on a global scale i believe. The thing is eu/us-korea connection is far from good for bw competitive 1v1 games nowadays. Both z and p suffer siginificantly against the better ranged terran army imo. This increases the korean terran advantage further in even a slight lag on high lat in my plenty of experience. Vs sziky i dont suffer the very least. The problem is that the Elite TL BW organizers are either not competent enough to know that or cannot maintain a D or above rank at iccup or both. Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day. | ||
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trutaCz
Poland686 Posts
On August 09 2015 15:56 LRM)TechnicS wrote: Losing my respect for TL BW events slowly but surely day by day. This^ | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
On August 09 2015 10:44 LaStScan wrote: A few EU countries do have a little lag spike with KR on low latency, and what do you want me to do about it? Trutacz lives in Poland, uses 15EU Internet to play against me on low latency. How will you explain about this to me? Against eOnzerg in the final, we played on low latency in our first game, then in the 2nd game, he decided to change the latency on HIGH. Then I see a comment of him saying, "i make his rines looks like a total joke,now with this lag need 500 mutas to kill 10 rines :D" @eonzerg, What happened to your words where you were saying "scan kill all of us" somewhere in the forum? Your words are not matching now. It means you are saying you can beat me in any time. GL. @Wallace, if i remember correctly, you were slightly lagging even when I was playing in the U.S.. I don't think this is my problem. Maybe either it's your internet service, or your country has not developed of the speedy network. From now on, I'm just going to ignore all the comments. It's too toxic. And I do have a feeling you will say something like "oh yes, i beat scan" and talk about skills, but when you lose, look for an excuse. If you have a problem of this awesome competition host by Rus_Brain, then talk to the admins/organizers, don't tweak your words and try to group up with people. Lastly, I will repeat again what I've said before. I, as a player, am just taking an opportunity and trying to perform high quality games. If you think you got some sportsmanship, man up, show what you got. So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better. As such, let me try again: I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke. I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception. He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On August 09 2015 16:52 G5 wrote: So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better. As such, let me try again: I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke. I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception. He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol. Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH. Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together. | ||
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G5
United States2898 Posts
On August 09 2015 17:16 GeckoXp wrote: Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH. Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together. Looks like fan-boyism isn't dead afterall. Jesus Christ buddy, looks like you've been building that up for a while. You act as though everything mean anyone has ever said about scan is in my post. Now that you got that out of your system, hopefully you can read words and make proper sense of them with an unbiased and clear head. By the way, I'm glad you directed your hatred towards me on how the community treats your boy-crush because many others would take it out of it's true context and confuse it for a personal attack (like you). | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On August 09 2015 18:01 G5 wrote: Looks like fan-boyism isn't dead afterall. Jesus Christ buddy, looks like you've been building that up for a while. You act as though everything mean anyone has ever said about scan is in my post. Now that you got that out of your system, hopefully you can read words and make proper sense of them with an unbiased and clear head. By the way, I'm glad you directed your hatred towards me on how the community treats your boy-crush because many others would take it out of it's true context and confuse it for a personal attack (like you). I really don't care if Scan is allowed to play or not. Doesn't change the point that you don't understand your own words, they're nothing but an insult. Regardless of what Scan or admins said, eventually posts were directed to belittle Scan's contributions and make his status as valueable user questionable. It's not my fault if you're too stupid to make a difference between him as a member of several pages and his status as player in a tournament. All I read in your post is: "I wouldn't play either way, but let's shit on some people and blame someone I never met lol lol lol". | ||
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ggnore13
54 Posts
To sumamrize: last night there was a foreigner (which wasn't Sziky) who managed to eliminate trutacz. I honestly can't remember when was the last time that happened so I'd say this is a big deal and vanatir surely put in a lot of training. That was the very goal of these tournaments - to get the foreigners to practice. Now vanatir claims he wont play anymore. Not long ago I saw a post of trutacz saying he's thinking about not playing anymore. I bet the day we'll see the same statement from eonzerg is not very far in the future. Not to mention the many others who refused to participate in the tournament because of Scan and the participants who are not motivated enough to practice hard because of the same reason. You guys are messing up a wonderful event and you're messing it up BIG TIME. | ||
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dr.shrinker
Norway369 Posts
On August 09 2015 13:51 Piste wrote: come on, a nonkorean is no way near scan's level. as a viewer this is kind of sad to watch a foreign tournament of rapes. maybe you guys could exclude the finals and other scan games from the stream? They're just rapes and everyone knows who wins. This. I stopped watching when it got to the finals. Great fun up until that point - watching games you know the winner of however is not. I got him in Ro2 after playing vOddy as well, that is perhaps even less fun knowing you're out right away. Sadly I have no problems understanding those who doesn't participate due to Scan. | ||
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13Julia
Canada231 Posts
come on, a nonkorean is no way near scan's level. as a viewer this is kind of sad to watch a foreign tournament of rapes. maybe you guys could exclude the finals and other scan games from the stream? They're just rapes and everyone knows who wins. Give everyone the same rules and people like eon, can outplay scan in the long run, he's probably a lot more talented anyway. Take that lag away, and his offracing is basicly done. You can only execute some strategies on lag and he abuses that. What he does is he simply negates the multitasking and control top players have - by simply lagging. This increases the korean terran advantage further in even a slight lag on high lat in my plenty of experience. Organizers don't play bw. They do not understand what is lag or how it works, frustrating. We play most people, so we know who lags. Unfortunately, we can skip people in ladder, but not here. It becomes lagcraft. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On August 09 2015 16:52 G5 wrote: So, I get a warning for saying "HAHAHA" to scans post because (and I'm assuming here) I didn't explain myself well enough even though it's pretty clear how I feel about it. Much like my warning message from The_Templar which simply said "Really?". I suppose since I'm not a TL admin, what I write is held to a higher level and I must explain myself better. As such, let me try again: I read scans post and simply laughed. I don't think it's laughable, I know it is because that's all I did when I read it. I laugh because it's a post that's from a player who's Korean, playing in a "foreign tourney" from Korea, has won every tournament while occasionally off-racing (which tells me he's literally shitting on the competition), and is calling out the players and community he has been completely ravaging and winning money off of. To me, it's a joke. I also view almost every argument of "it's everyone else and not me" absolutely ridiculous and completely removed; this is no exception. He basically calls all of Poland poor, speculates that USA hasn't developed proper internet, and ties sportsmanship to dealing with inequalities and not complaining about them. The only positive thing he said to anyone was to the one man that's ensuring he stays in the tournament and paying his prize money. If that isn't funny as hell to any of you, ya'll need to get a sense of humor because I can't take people like that seriously. It's a joke lol. I assume you did not understand my words mostly. I used Comcast Xfinity 150MB/S DL, 10MB/s UL high speed boost something service. I am not calling out the players. I am just replying back to what they have said. Since when did I ever say all PL users are poor? Also, when did I say the US has not developed well? Or is my English bad for you to understand? Ask trutacz in person. He uses a cheap price internet service, and he is totally fine to play with most of the Korean on low latency(Including me on low latency). Read all the forums carefully. I never ever started an argument(s) and called out players. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On August 09 2015 17:00 juvenal wrote: Scan's karma sure going down, he should consider reviewing couple translations to restore it! On a serious note: Scan has always had lag issues in Defiler Tours, that's not a secret, I don't know why would you question the credibility of such claims. Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S. | ||
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LaStScan
Korea (South)1289 Posts
On August 09 2015 17:16 GeckoXp wrote: Aside from Scan's skill and potential problems with lags, I don't see how he is laughable, a joke or whatever. In the past weeks after the TLC announce literally every foreigner started to slightly insult his personality and rage against him. With every following posting the tone got worse. What do you expect of him? I guarantee you that half of the people complaining would've went apeshit and start crying a lot earlier, not that Scan actually started to flame or anything. Half of what he says can be read during any league, tournament or other event. As much as I try to, I can't see how he calls a country poor. However, I do see latent racism behind a ton of posts claiming Scan would be a money hungry whore from Korea, who has no life. Ironically, these arguments are always thrown into the room by people I have seen streaming almost non-stop for the past weeks and/or those, who have a record of at least 10 ladder games / day on ICCup/FISH. Your post is the perfect example of what goes wrong from the user side. Again, it's okay to argue against Scan's lags, against his potential advantage of speaking South Korean and so on. However, trying to make him sound bad, only because he participated in the foreigner tournaments for the past five years is just bullying. What did he possibly do to suddenly make it ok to offend him as a human being? That's what bothers me the most. The guy did try to contribute in small ways, it's not as if he's "only here to get money" - he is part of our scene, unrelated to the decision if he should play or not. Stop trying to alienate him entirely and keep it on point. Only because you're butthurt about TL.net admins, it doesn't give you permission to insult him in any way. I could puke all day seeing posts like that one, while people have no problems trying to motivate convicted ex hackers into playing. Get your shit together. I think that latent racism can go on all Koreans who are participating NA/EU tournaments in SC2. ForGG, Stardust, Jaedong, Gamja(iCCup: vTv.tO2s, he's now sc2 pro), and so on. Sorry for bringing up a little information about SC2 because I think it can be little related. I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/ | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On August 09 2015 19:08 LaStScan wrote: Oh lord, what a false drama maker. I played ALL of the defiler tours(the ones I participated) in the U.S. Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat. ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean. | ||
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13Julia
Canada231 Posts
I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/ Because Blizzard already fixed lag issues in warcraft3. If you have lag in war3, you have a problem. In war3 if you got lag issues, you just lost the game. In starcraft if you have lag, the other player plays on lag too. That's the fucking difference. I assume in sc2 it's quite similar. We would be hyped about Jaedong too, cuz Jaedong is cool, you're not. Beside, you wouldn't play here if other koreans were participating, which is even more funny to discuss. ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean. You got to understand him, he reports you on icc abuse for racism, if you ask whether he's korean. | ||
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GeckoXp
Germany2016 Posts
On August 09 2015 19:35 juvenal wrote: Because ru-us connection is fantastic. Not. Light only travels that fast buddy. Many DT players asked to ban you solely because of the high lat. ps: lol at the racism claims. It's the community worshiping korean pros and sometimes everything korean. "Latent racism". Worshipping Koreans doesn't mean you can display latent racism nonetheless. Have a closer look how often his nationality is stressed out, which is absolutely unrelated to the discussion about him playing. Granted, the rules were probably written without admins having any idea what kind of absurd contradictions they were about to generate. However, the entire discussion boils down to: Scan currently lags and therefore gets and unfair advantage Scan crossed the line and shouldn't be considered an amateur anymore vs. Scan did play in the past and is a member of the community We want to provide the community with games No nationality whatsoever needed. For now, I tend to agree that Scan might be thrown out of the tournaments (and for sure not play in the final TLS season), simply because the gap in his skill became too large. However, what's actually said is:
All that isn't needed. Who would possibly benefit from Scan moving away from any foreign BW page? He did helpful things, which he knew couldn't potentially bring him any kind of gain. I like him as a user and as that I want to keep him around. He for sure is more valuable to the scene than a "I never play but once was sort of famous" G5 or a "everyone fuck off, kurwas" Julia. | ||
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radley
Poland582 Posts
On August 09 2015 19:20 LaStScan wrote: I do watch SC2, but not that often. It seems like the audiences are hyped about those Korean players who are in the foreign teams and playing in foreign tournaments. Why is it so different in BW :/ You are not part of any foreign team. BTW. for your knowledge, BW is racist and you have to face it. And it's not because of foreigners - you koreans started it with your selfish behaviour long ago. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
ps: offracing is bm. It makes your opponent mad knowing he can't defeat your off race let alone the main one. Otherwise - why is offensive gg bm? You know the game's over as a matter of fact so what's wrong? You gotta take the emotions into consideration, that's what. | ||
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