EPT[News] Proleague Grand Final 2006 Rosters - Page 3
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sOnagi[3.33]
Korea (South)886 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 19 2007 11:47 Last Romantic wrote: light/bisu/pusan/sea/july/saint is just a scary lineup. Shark, not saint  | ||
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OverTheUnder
United States2929 Posts
and after they do i will link to this post with a big "i told you so" ;o | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Oov a shadow of his former self is harsh. I haven't seen all his games lately, but the ones I did weren't bad, mostly him playing solidly and his opponents fucking up. There was also that game vs Much in Proleague that was apparently awesome. I just don't see how July (maybe) or especially Pusan are supposed to be favoured against him. Canata has suffered from stage fright in the path, but looking at the last final he played in, where he won the decisive match against July, I'm not too worried. I really hope T1 will use Canata for a 1v1 and In_Dove for the 2v2 with Rumble. Last Romantic: MBC definitely does have a greater skill depth, but when you compare T1's skill depth to Hanbit and Lecaf, who both managed to get into the ace game, T1 looks a lot better. The thing is, it's really not that hard to get three wins somehow. They've got 5-6 players that can win a 1v1 game, that's easily enough. If they have one thing to worry about, it's their racial imbalance. Fakesteve: (btw, good to see you taking part in discussions again )I don't see how Sea has a big advantage over Gorush. In the one series they played, Gorush won 2-1. Granted, Gorush isn't in his prime, but Sea hasn't been hot either. Also, why would Bisu be at an advantage over Gorush? If he was playing like last OSL, maybe, but he's far from that at the moment. I rarely ever watch 2v2's, so I can't really discuss that. From what I can remember, in the playoffs, 910[Ete]/TheZerg didn't look too convincing to me, but it's very possible I'm wrong. If MBC will indeed win both 2v2's, yeah, T1's situation suddenly looks a lot worse. Aren't Canata/Rumble or Rainbow/Rumble supposed to be good 2v2 teams as well? Kingdom T_T Well, I suppose I'll have to agree. Still, we all know he's capable of beating any of those players, it's so frustrating. T_T | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 19 2007 13:23 Orome wrote: Fakesteve: (btw, good to see you taking part in discussions again )I don't see how Sea has a big advantage over Gorush. In the one series they played, Gorush won 2-1. Granted, Gorush isn't in his prime, but Sea hasn't been hot either. Also, why would Bisu be at an advantage over Gorush? If he was playing like last OSL, maybe, but he's far from that at the moment. Bisu is MUCH better at PvZ than PvT. That loss to Iris is a little misleading, it was a big timing rush on Iris' part that Bisu really didn't prepare for. GoRush's 'Lair First Ask Questions Later' style in ZvP is effective I guess, but have you seen any games lately where GoRush gets at a disadvantage? He crumbles like stale bread. Bisu is amazing at putting lots of pressure on a Zerg player, so I'd put him as a favourite over GoRush easily. Even if he plays passively in the beginning, he's much better at digging himself out of holes. I rarely ever watch 2v2's, so I can't really discuss that. From what I can remember, in the playoffs, 910[Ete]/TheZerg didn't look too convincing to me, but it's very possible I'm wrong. If MBC will indeed win both 2v2's, yeah, T1's situation suddenly looks a lot worse. Aren't Canata/Rumble or Rainbow/Rumble supposed to be good 2v2 teams as well? Kingdom T_T Well, I suppose I'll have to agree. Still, we all know he's capable of beating any of those players, it's so frustrating. T_T Thanks Sea lost that series against GoRush, yeah. That was a much different situation, though. Sea will have prepared builds on a specific map, to win one specific game, once. He is a crazy little bastard, and I guarantee any build he puts together will be too much for a conventional lair-style zerg like GoRush to handle. 910[Ete]/TheZerg was shaky for a bit, yeah. Lately this is how their 2v2 goes down. 910 does something crazy and it always fucking works because 1) TheZerg is phenomenal at covering his ass and 2) 910 always seems to know something the other guys don't. Rumble/Canata is a good team, but they'll save Canata for Ace. Rainbow, I love the guy to bits but he is TERRIBLE at 2v2. Rumble is always the support player when he teams with Canata, I don't think he has the skill necessary to dictate the flow of a 2v2. This isn't always a problem, but when you have 910[Ete] and Saint on the other two teams... well... you're basically going to get thrown around. Saint is one of the best 2v2 players I've seen this season. Kingdom.. it makes me sad. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Also I don't think players' current shapes are that important when it comes to singles games which players have several weeks to prepare for. Team spirit, overall determination, experience of big events and draw luck are extremely decisive factors as well. It's really hard to predict what could happen. And even the players' shapes are totally debatable. In the end I don't really care (those are my two favorites teams) and I only hope there'll be at least 2 epic 1v1s and as few mirrors as possible. There's potential for absolutely awesome matchups. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On January 19 2007 14:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Bisu is MUCH better at PvZ than PvT. That loss to Iris is a little misleading, it was a big timing rush on Iris' part that Bisu really didn't prepare for. GoRush's 'Lair First Ask Questions Later' style in ZvP is effective I guess, but have you seen any games lately where GoRush gets at a disadvantage? He crumbles like stale bread. Bisu is amazing at putting lots of pressure on a Zerg player, so I'd put him as a favourite over GoRush easily. Even if he plays passively in the beginning, he's much better at digging himself out of holes. I'm still not fully convinced, I think you're underestimating Gorush's management skills. Then again, PvZ is the mu I know by far the least about, so you could be right. Sea lost that series against GoRush, yeah. That was a much different situation, though. Sea will have prepared builds on a specific map, to win one specific game, once. He is a crazy little bastard, and I guarantee any build he puts together will be too much for a conventional lair-style zerg like GoRush to handle. Well TvZ is a mu that's less dependant on builds (like TvT, where he had that crazy m&m build against Boxer last finals), but I have to admit, you're probably right. Damn you!  | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 19 2007 14:46 Orome wrote: I'm still not fully convinced, I think you're underestimating Gorush's management skills. Then again, PvZ is the mu I know by far the least about, so you could be right. Well TvZ is a mu that's less dependant on builds (like TvT, where he had that crazy m&m build against Boxer last finals), but I have to admit, you're probably right. Damn you! You might be right about me underestimating GoRush. With our luck now, he'll get put up against July or something and all of our discussion is thrown out the window. And TvZ is a little less build dependant, yeah. But this is Sea we're talking about. This is the kid who beat JJu's 9pool with 14cc, he is INSANE. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
Anyway he'll probably play on Blitz and I doubt T1 will send out a Z here. I predict Sea vs Kingdom on Blitz in the first game btw. | ||
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Pressure
7326 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 19 2007 15:01 PoP wrote: I've never really been convinced by Sea's TvZ actually. His micro is bleh and his builds are pretty uninspired usually. Anyway he'll probably play on Blitz and I doubt T1 will send out a Z here. I predict Sea vs Kingdom on Blitz in the first game btw. in that case kingdom is completely and utterly fucked as far as i'm concerned | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Anyway, I think there's a good chance Sea isn't going to play on Blitz. MBC Game openly said they would've used Sea on Blitz for ace because he's very strong there after the series against CJ. If they were really intending to use him there in the grand final, would they have said this? It might very well be a feint. I'll make a bold prediction and say he's going to be used on Tau Cross to snipe Midas. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On January 19 2007 15:33 Orome wrote: It's Kingdom, you never know. I can still remember how he utterly beat the shit out of Nada on Blitz. Anyway, I think there's a good chance Sea isn't going to play on Blitz. MBC Game openly said they would've used Sea on Blitz for ace because he's very strong there after the series against CJ. If they were really intending to use him there in the grand final, would they have said this? It might very well be a feint. I'll make a bold prediction and say he's going to be used on Tau Cross to snipe Midas. But then again maybe they thought T1 would figure out the trick and expect someone else... in which case using him would actually take them by surprise. :p Oh well I'm thinking too much. G'night. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
Good night, I'm off too. | ||
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
aficionado brought up him strong~ | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
aficionado and boxer smoothed the edges | ||
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MiToLxX
Chile4 Posts
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