The last day of the MSL groupstages is upon us! In two hours, the eight players will battle for the four remaining spots.
The matchups are:
Savior (Z, CJ) vs Pusan (P, MBCgame) on Reverse Temple Silver (Z, Pantech) vs Much (P, CJ) on Blitz X Bisu (P, MBCgame) vs Canata (T, SKT) on Longinus 2 Free (P, Hanbit) vs Xellos (T, CJ) on Desert Fox
Time to look back on what happened so far.
The MSL started off with a splash. Right in the first game, the invincible and huge favourite, Savior, was taken down by a rookie, Hwasin from STX Soul. It wasn't the only surprise that day either. In the next game, Pusan reemerged back onto the pro scene with a convincing defeat of Lecaf ace Jaedong. In Group B, Silver showed why he didn't deserve to be in last season's finals by losing horribly to Justin, and Much completed Zerg's misery by beating Aqua with 2 gate.
The week after wasn't quite as exciting, but good nonetheless. Ra vs Bisu and Jju vs Light were disappointing (but at least Ra won and Jju lost), but Canata's win over TvT specialist Iris was impressive, and Xellos against Free was an extremely cool game. Bunker rush vs 14 Nexus into 7 goons against one tank and a few mines at Xellos' base into Free very nearly breaking Xellos' contain and Xellos barely winning. That sounds strange? It was, but a lot of fun.
The losers' games the week after perfectly displayed that ZvZ can be fun, but only at the very highest levels. Savior vs Jaedong was an awesome game, including mass offensive sunken/spore, while Silver's win over Aqua was stupid and boring. It's a real pity Jaedong's out already, he played a lot better than his 0-2 might appear. In the other two games, Bisu kicked out a horribly playing Iris while not looking too sharp himself, and Free beat Jju.
A week ago, in the winners' matches, Hwasin beat Pusan (or should we say Desert Fox beat Pusan? -_-), Justin gayed his way to victory against Much, Ra almost managed to lose after a huge lead, and Light surprisingly beat Xellos in his weakest matchup.
We are left with four matches to determine who will join Hwasin, Justin, Ra , and Light in round 2.
Savior (Z, CJ) vs Pusan (P, MBCgame) on Reverse Temple
Definitely the most interesting of today's matches. Savior has looking more beatable than usual lately, losing against Midas and Hwasin. Still, that does not mean much, and his win against Jaedong showed he's still at top form.
Pusan on the other hand shouldn't be underestimated. He's on a streak lately, beating GGPlay and Anytime in Proleague and Jaedong in MSL. His loss last week doesn't count much seeing as it was on Desert Fox, one or two of his decisions might've been off, but he played an alright game.
The fact that it is on Reverse Lost Temple makes the game even more interesting. Other than on many current maps, Much has impressively demonstrated that 2 gate is very viable on here. Pusan doesn't seem to be much of a 2 gate player, but he's shown before that he likes to mix up strategies.
My pick: Savior. Doesn't need an explanation, he's Savior.
Silver (Z, Pantech) vs Much (P, CJ) on Blitz X
Last season's fluke finalist against the in my opinion best Protoss rookie, this is going to be another tough one.
While Much has shown the power of his 2 gate several times, I can't remember him playing a single straight up PvZ game, and he'll have no option but to FE on Blitz.
On the other hand, has Silver ever shown us he can play straight up? No, all he does are allins, and I don't think those will work against Much.
My Pick: Much. He may be untested in long PvZs, but I'm not too worried, he's such a brilliant player overall. Die Silver.
Bisu (P, MBCgame) vs Canata (T, SKT) on Longinus 2
Another tough one to predict. Bisu's play hasn't convinced me at all lately, but he's 4-2 for December which isn't bad at all.
Canata on the other hand only played three games in December, two losses, against Ra and Saint, and his win against Iris.
That does not look too good, but I have faith in Canata. His win against Iris was very impressive, and right now I think he's the superior player. If he can survive early game, I give him good chances (don't 1 fac CC please, and don't be over-aggressive with your FD).
Free (P, Hanbit) vs Xellos (T, CJ) on Desert Fox
It's Desert Fox. Xellos will win. Yay.
Poll: Which game are you looking forward to the most? (Vote): Maestro vs Buffalo (Vote): Fluke vs Cool (Vote): Overrated vs Nerves (Vote): Overrated2 vs Sexy
there was no point in which rA was in any danger of losing vs canata, IMO. canata's push simply had too few tanks, and no reinforcements. I don't think canata razed a single building.
go pusan~! parkjiho fighting!
pusan>savior after long and grueling game silver<much, much will proxy 2 gate or something canata>bisu, straight up tankvult vs goonzeal battles, but canata will come out on top 'cause longinus is t map. xellos>free, 'coz dfox -.-;;
maestro v buffalo the MOST ..but i really want to watch all of these matches! i basically have the same choices except for bisu vs canata.. i'm rooting for bisu!
On January 03 2007 23:49 Last Romantic wrote: there was no point in which rA was in any danger of losing vs canata, IMO. canata's push simply had too few tanks, and no reinforcements. I don't think canata razed a single building.
I didn't watch the game, someone (whose judgement I trust) told me about the game on MSN.^^
It's the nickname they got for him, really cracked Day up. A pre-match presentation with something like MAESTRO vs JUSTIN definitely gives you the impression of balance and fierce confrontation, doesn't it? :p Anyway, why am I getting the feeling savior v pusan will be such a one-sided rape that'll last all of six minutes... Long gg ftw! Edit: err, my answer was mostly for alffla.
On January 03 2007 23:59 chiflutz wrote: It's the nickname they got for him, really cracked Day up. A pre-match presentation with something like MAESTRO vs JUSTIN definitely gives you the impression of balance and fierce confrontation, doesn't it? :p Anyway, why am I getting the feeling savior v pusan will be such a one-sided rape that'll last all of six minutes... Long gg ftw! Edit: err, my answer was mostly for alffla.
On January 04 2007 01:27 Day[9] wrote: god i HAVE to find out who that terran player was
that guy was so insanely fucking good wow
His irradiate clones were REALLY fast.
But good? iono if he was good so much as the map is really easy for terr to get nat/min only pretty fast, whereas z is hard to secure enough gas to fight well. I mean, terr lost almost all the early battles. one thing he did do well is prevent z from expoing, but with 3base vs 3base if terr isn't able to win... eh, either z is godly or t is doing something wrong.
Ku Sung Hoon / HiyA[fOu] / Terran Kim Sang Kon / n.Die_aTtacK / Terran Park Sung Jin / Eavan[WHITE] / Terran Park Ji Soo / fOrGG_V / Terran Son Ju Hong / Lomo[fOu] / Terran Lee Hak Ju / Dongrae[S.G] / Terran
Looked REALLY familiar too, then again I mistakenly thought Jy was savior so I'm a retard.
Edit: Progamizer doesn't have Jy =(
This is one of those things where you should know but don't and it pisses you off until you do know.
I think the main question is whether this fpvod was a new release, or whether it was a rerun of an old one. If it was old we can find out the T's name from past files, if it was new then playsc will upload it soon i think
On January 04 2007 01:32 M2 wrote: I dont know how to start the GOM player I onlymanage to start something like interview with savior I think, but no the live stream
If you get that, that means the match hasn't started yet, so GOM player is not actually showing the programme yet.
Again, I remind everyone of the Taiwan earthquake that damaged undersea cables. Some signals coming out of South Korea to certain countries might be disrupted, so even if GOM usually works for you, you might have to use the MBC player for now, and vice versa.
Cannon is out of rrange, so it cannot kill the zerglings that are owning the gateway. Pusan starts a cannon closer by, but it seems to be too late to save the gateway. It dies. In the meantime, Pusan starts a stargate. The zerglings start attacking the forge, but run away as the closer-by cannon finishes. Pusan tries to scout Z's main again (he had a brief peek earlier), but a drone block prevents him from doing so. Savior's 4th hatchery starts at his natural.
oh great so that WAS a robo. yea, support bay going up now. all buildings at his nat, only a pylon at his main. 2 sairs out, savior expanding at 6 nat.
it is definite that pusan will employ corsair/reaver strategy. it might be a good choice on LT, actually, since ground mobility is pretty bad. Not sure, I am too chobo ^^
savior expands at nat of 6. pusan support bay finished.
Gateway has been rebuilt in the meantime, and Pusan is still making more sairs. I wonder what Savoir will do about the Reaver that's about to be warped in.
does anyone remembe rpusan actually successfully winning with reaver sair? I vaguely recall him using it vs Silver(?) on arcadia II, doing alright, but losing anywyas.
The corsairs try some harassment, but the cloud of overlords was hiding a spore colony and the corsairs are forced to fly away. A lurker is harassing the forge at pusan's nat outside of cannon range. A few scourges are flying around as well
Yet another hathery starts at Savior's natural, and he finally builds an extractor at his now well mining 6'o clock expansion. Reaver shuttle is flying in the directiino of savior's natural1!! Savior has hydralisks there
Pretty quiet at the moment but Pusan's massive army is growing by the minute. Corsairs again fly into the spore colonies at 6's nat, killing a few overlord but losing almost every one of them.
OMG SAVIORS ATTACKS THE NATURAL AGAINN WHEN PUSAN MOVES OUT
but he doesn't do much damage, the army comes back and he loses a shitload of stuff to storm and scarabs.
Now in return Pusan is trying to attack Savior's mineral only natural, but there is a quite impressive army there too, including lurkers and sunkens. In addition, pusan is being flanked from below.
Savoir's stuff is dead, and pusan is now raping savior's natural but with an army that isn't so impressive anymore. A second zerg w2ave finishes it off.
pusan confronting min only of savior with goon reaver, hydras come from behidn which are delth with by zeals, savior reinforcing from his 6 o lcock bases. pusan seems to be slowly breaking though with goon reaver, most zeals dead, lurkers burrow right noext to reavers, but they die, 1 reaver left, sunkesns are down, noew ones morphing, and hydras come to reinforce from savior main.
On January 04 2007 02:00 thedeadhaji wrote: pusan confronting min only of savior with goon reaver, hydras come from behidn which are delth with by zeals, savior reinforcing from his 6 o lcock bases. pusan seems to be slowly breaking though with goon reaver, most zeals dead, lurkers burrow right noext to reavers, but they die, 1 reaver left, sunkesns are down, noew ones morphing, and hydras come to reinforce from savior main.
soryr that was shitty writing .
ok, more informative than my stream though.
right now i just see a lot of hydras moving around o_O
Pusan is bringing some probes along with his armmy for some reason, and those overlords keep moving around uncomfortably OMMG PUSAN ATTACKS SAVRIO MINERAL ONLY WITH A FUCKING HUGE ASS ARMMY.... but does hardly any damage.. mass sunk+lurker imba lol
pusan could have done a lot more damage with his reaver/goon army IMO. He lost all his reavers to sunkens though [stupid reaver AI] and other control mistakes (losing first reaver, losing 4 dt, losing 8! corsairs, losing first gate and first forge) while doing virtually nothing cost him the game.
On January 04 2007 02:03 LosingID8 wrote: SAVIOR TRIED TO HIDE HIS SMIRK LOLOL
That's cocky bastard >.< He intentionally slipped that smirk off I think. x( For a moment or two, Pusan actually looked like he did have a slight chance of winning. =.= But Savior's 3 early expos and clearing blocking mins at early game are simply godly brilliant moves.
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
Okay... the MBC trailer for the SKY proleague Finals just showed a split screen with Savior on the left and Pusan giving the thumbs up on the right. Ouch.
I think Pusan really fucked it up though. Savior went for a more aggressive hydra build with so many hatches at his expo instead of more bases. I think someone like Ra would of won that game in the same position
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
savior already held 2 more expos than him for awhile then. while pusan expanded to top, savior would have gotten some form of hive tech and run over pusan. pusan knew he had to do damage, but was unable to, and thus lost the game.
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
Savior has such an amazing timing. He never has more units then he needs. He powers drones and makes units so perfectly. On more then one occasion I thought Pusan had this game, but savior prevailed with flawless timed flanks and hit and runs attacks. Pusan really never stood a chance.
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
nal_rA has beaten 4-gas savior. I think Reach has too [hahahahaha Reach TT]
It's also somewhat unfortunate that Savior decided to research burrow, and to deliberately keep the fact from Pusan until he burrowed his drones and put a dampener on the DT drop.
On January 04 2007 02:13 exihea wrote: too late, saviror has 5 bases including 4 gas. It's already un-stoppable
On January 04 2007 02:11 mrdx wrote:
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
nal_rA has beaten 4-gas savior. I think Reach has too [hahahahaha Reach TT]
that was a longg time ago though ;P twas an epic game on Ride of Valkyries, both sides trying to take the last 12:00 expansion
On January 04 2007 02:11 GoBOXERgogo wrote: I think Pusan really fucked it up though. Savior went for a more aggressive hydra build with so many hatches at his expo instead of more bases. I think someone like Ra would of won that game in the same position
I think Pusan's ground combination today might work against Savior if Protoss can make some surprise factor at early game (rather than being totally defensive). But Savior scouted so perfectly this game that I can hardly think of him being surprised in any case.
On January 04 2007 02:13 exihea wrote: too late, saviror has 5 bases including 4 gas. It's already un-stoppable
On January 04 2007 02:11 mrdx wrote:
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
nal_rA has beaten 4-gas savior. I think Reach has too [hahahahaha Reach TT]
that was a longg time ago though ;P twas an epic game on Ride of Valkyries, both sides trying to take the last 12:00 expansion
On January 04 2007 02:16 The Storyteller wrote: It's also somewhat unfortunate that Savior decided to research burrow, and to deliberately keep the fact from Pusan until he burrowed his drones and put a dampener on the DT drop.
Pusan knew. He saw hydralisks burrow when he was scouting around with his first DT.
On January 04 2007 02:13 exihea wrote: too late, saviror has 5 bases including 4 gas. It's already un-stoppable
On January 04 2007 02:11 mrdx wrote:
On January 04 2007 02:08 LosingID8 wrote: pusan should have saved his corsair and use distweb when he was trying to break the front. it would have helped his goon/reav forces immensely, imo.
Or he can be a little more patient and try to hold the centre north area and secure 2 expos at 12. But well I guess he knows it better than me. ._.
nal_rA has beaten 4-gas savior. I think Reach has too [hahahahaha Reach TT]
that was a longg time ago though ;P twas an epic game on Ride of Valkyries, both sides trying to take the last 12:00 expansion
damn good game
uzoo msl?
hmm was it uzoo? or some like mbc all stars game. some msl thingy ~_~
i like savior, i think he has the best timing in the world, but please... just for one time show us you can win without mass sunken, i know you can man, ultra/hidra/lurker/ling would have been better than just sit there and expect pusan to bounce aganist you
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
Nal_rA doesn't have Pusan's macro.
ah well nalra isn't THAT bad... ;o
[edit] to orome: oh rofl i thought casy's friends were like PROTOSS IS TEH SUX DONT PICK PROTOSS as ur race when he went pro or something hha
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
Nal_rA doesn't have Pusan's macro.
Orly? rA's macro is just fine. He took Savior down on baekdu in a huge macro war 20 archon 6 reaver vs 20 ultralisk style~
On January 04 2007 02:23 thedeadhaji wrote: that opening is being convered by a probe, which moves away just as the lings come. much pulls probes to ramp to block lings, but 3 ghet through.
cannon warping at much main, zeal was in silver's main but drones kill it. couldnt see how many kills it had. much has built 2 gates at silver's nat!!
On January 04 2007 02:23 thedeadhaji wrote: that opening is being convered by a probe, which moves away just as the lings come. much pulls probes to ramp to block lings, but 3 ghet through.
cannon warping at much main, zeal was in silver's main but drones kill it. couldnt see how many kills it had. much has built 2 gates at silver's nat!!
wow wtf silver has no nat still??
silver expanded to center platform instead of his nat.
This savior vs pusan was very entertaining! Those mass sunkens in the end looked so difficult to break.. Can anyone explain why he didn't make dweb? He had stargates from start.
On January 04 2007 02:23 thedeadhaji wrote: that opening is being convered by a probe, which moves away just as the lings come. much pulls probes to ramp to block lings, but 3 ghet through.
cannon warping at much main, zeal was in silver's main but drones kill it. couldnt see how many kills it had. much has built 2 gates at silver's nat!!
wow wtf silver has no nat still??
silver expanded to center platform instead of his nat.
oh ok. hm...k silvers gonna lose this game i know it! bases divided, forces divided + 2 of much's gateways right at his nat
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
Nal_rA doesn't have Pusan's macro.
Orly? rA's macro is just fine. He took Savior down on baekdu in a huge macro war 20 archon 6 reaver vs 20 ultralisk style~
That was on Peaks of Baekdu.
Ra's macro is fine, but Pusan's macro is incredible.
extractor goes up at expo, zeal goon attacks the middle expo, while some zeals block the middle passage between the two expos to prevent lings from getting through.
hydras attack the gates + goon zeal at silver nat, and now zeals attack middle expo thru that mineral passageway, so those hydras retreat to kill them, which gives much time to make more units from his gates.
silver played VERY well that game. Much tried to abuse the terrain to not allow silver a natural expansion, but silver kept his cool and got out his signature unit while defending against dual gate proxy rush. from then on, his hydralisk control owned much really, really hard.
Altho silver won and i dont like that, I dont dislike his use of mass hydra. He does it "his own way" and we want that from players so much anyways. Just sux that it's silver who does it (
On January 04 2007 02:32 GoBOXERgogo wrote: I guess those two hatcheries really surprised much cause he didn't look like he had a clue wtf he was doing
Agreed... Much could really have taken the lead had he concentrated on one of the hatcheries, or harrassed and expanded.
On January 04 2007 02:31 Highways wrote: man i hate silver, only knows how to zvp with mass hydra
when he plays a terran it shows how noob he is
how is zvp with mass hydra bad? I certainly like watching mass hydra better than savior's 12 sunkens at each expo.
how much times has he won by massing hydras and breaking the cannon line?
similarly I could ask: how many times has a terran won by massing infantry and breaking the sunken line?
protosses have to adapt to early low econ hydralisk rushes, just like how zerg players have adapted to 4-rax infantry rushes off of one base, that kind of stuff.
lol the stream is laggy during games but once it is teh commercials everything goes smoothly. -__-
About the savior game, Pusan never had a chance, unless savior drastically underproduced troops or is surprised by some tech, which isn't going to happen that often.
i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
I don't know why he built six cannons in a row but
making a nexus would be even more suicidal than what he did. if six cannons can't hold those hydras, no way 1 nexus and 3 cannons could.
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
Maybe he thought if he backed off and expoed Silver would do an all in ling + hydra rush and he'd have no way to defend it. Thats the only thing i can think of
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
Because when Much expands, he expands and jacks his macro up like crazy. But occassionally, like his last game on Longinus, he seems to forget!
On January 04 2007 02:40 Last Romantic wrote: after nada's pose with the s2 over his head with his arms, it's popular to do it on TV.
celebrities do it all the time in korea (and probably other places too). it's considered cute. lots of boybands do it as fanservice to their female fans lol.
#2 and #1 were clearly MMORPG's, i think #3 was Fifa online, #4 was that special force game. pretty convinced now that it's weekly/monthly game sales in korea.
On January 04 2007 02:40 Last Romantic wrote: after nada's pose with the s2 over his head with his arms, it's popular to do it on TV.
celebrities do it all the time in korea (and probably other places too). it's considered cute. lots of boybands do it as fanservice to their female fans lol.
I have never seen that done in the states, or in Japan.
On January 04 2007 02:40 Last Romantic wrote: after nada's pose with the s2 over his head with his arms, it's popular to do it on TV.
celebrities do it all the time in korea (and probably other places too). it's considered cute. lots of boybands do it as fanservice to their female fans lol.
On January 04 2007 02:40 Last Romantic wrote: after nada's pose with the s2 over his head with his arms, it's popular to do it on TV.
celebrities do it all the time in korea (and probably other places too). it's considered cute. lots of boybands do it as fanservice to their female fans lol.
I have never seen that done in the states, or in Japan.
Dont know about other countries though.
anyone?
i think like western celebs doing that stuff would get a differetn reaction `
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
I don't know why he built six cannons in a row but
making a nexus would be even more suicidal than what he did. if six cannons can't hold those hydras, no way 1 nexus and 3 cannons could.
not too sure canons were warping in when hydras arrived, i think that was not really suicidal
On January 04 2007 02:37 malongo wrote: i still dont understand why much didnt expanded, please someone explain me why he didnt made the same but building one nexus + 3 canons instead of waiting to the last time to build 6 canon in a row? i dont get it.
I don't know why he built six cannons in a row but
making a nexus would be even more suicidal than what he did. if six cannons can't hold those hydras, no way 1 nexus and 3 cannons could.
not too sure canons were warping in when hydras arrived, i think that was not really suicidal
the suicidal part was waiting until 900 minerals to make cannons when you KNOW hydras are coming and you've SEEN how many there are.
bisu is pretending he is nal_rA and making a funny base. I suppose he figured after getting raped by rA that copying ra's base would make him a stronger player.
nexus warping at 12, probes looks liek it wants to wall off the ramp. 4 fac for canata, 2nd addon is building, he has about 3 tanks in his main area, a starport is building in the bottom left corner.
bisu engaging the mineral only of canata, but repelled. canata drops 2 tanks at bisu's 12 expo, takes out cannos, THEN drops 4 vults. group of zeals come to defend
2 groups of goons move in, as the slow push reaches the wide ramp in front of canta's min only. 5 goons die, retreat. bisu moves in again, but cant do much, loses a few goons again.
On January 04 2007 02:54 Last Romantic wrote: I liked it better when terran was triumph of war.
bisu is pretending he is nal_rA and making a funny base. I suppose he figured after getting raped by rA that copying ra's base would make him a stronger player.
is Ra the only person can make his base look funny ?
8-9 gates for bisu, long distance mining for canata into 5's minerals. double statiss on tanks at min only, as well as another at the ramp of 5 expo (3 tanks)
smallish group of zeal goon archon sneaking out of canata's 5expo area, luckily aviods mines near retreat path. Canata's stuff moves northward, but is caught from behidn by canata's arb/goon army.
On January 04 2007 03:21 Orome wrote: I thought that was pretty unimpressive. By both.
huh?
that was awesome attacking/flanking/recalling by Bisu
The flanking was more a setup and unit mix mistake by Canata than anything else. And what was impressive about the recall? He had that game won for 15 minutes before he managed to end it.
On January 04 2007 03:21 Orome wrote: I thought that was pretty unimpressive. By both.
huh?
that was awesome attacking/flanking/recalling by Bisu
The flanking was more a setup and unit mix mistake by Canata than anything else. And what was impressive about the recall? He had that game won for 15 minutes before he managed to end it.
Was a really back and forth game though and exciting to watch. Do you not watch for entertainment value?
Canata never took control of the center, so he couldn't protect his expos without risking his main. This is one of the weaknesses of "static" turtle terran on maps like this. his later harasses weren't at all effective, wasting vults that could have helped fighting..
On January 04 2007 03:21 Orome wrote: I thought that was pretty unimpressive. By both.
huh?
that was awesome attacking/flanking/recalling by Bisu
The flanking was more a setup and unit mix mistake by Canata than anything else. And what was impressive about the recall? He had that game won for 15 minutes before he managed to end it.
Canata prepared for the first recall by planting mines and placing goliaths But Bisu still managed to recall twice while flying into goliaths and dodging mines
No specific game was that amazing but..combined with the players who played and the good games I was just saying it's worth downloading. Hell of a lot better than the last live matches
On January 04 2007 03:30 Orome wrote: Do you find entertainment in a 1 tank against 20 goons back and forth game?
I agree with you, Bisu should have ended this game early, just when Canata took the 6 expo Bisu attacked Canatas mineral only, and should have killed it if he had just realised Canata only had like 2 tanks left... Instead he killed the 6 expo and prolonged the game another 10 min..
He also lost at least 2expansion on the upper side of the map to 1 dropship and some vults..
the only reason it was exciting is because i was rooting for canata and when i thought he was far behind he did a few things from bisus mistakes to try and get back into the game and bisu let him because he didnt do anything for ages when he could have won... so yeah
On January 04 2007 03:35 SenSai wrote: the only reason it was exciting is because i was rooting for canata and when i thought he was far behind he did a few things from bisus mistakes to try and get back into the game and bisu let him because he didnt do anything for ages when he could have won... so yeah
Yeah thats probably what makes it so exciting for me is the liquibet. Being a gambler probably adds to it
10 goons + 3 shuttle engage tank goli in mid, shuttles unload 3 reaver 3 goon on teanks, i think all tanks die, a few goli and goons run away. xellos expoands at 5
ht try to storm xellos's scv at min only but scv's run in time.
free is cannoning xellos' 4 main, but think goli drop will prolly make him stop. free drops ht goon at xellos 4... honestly pretyt sloppy control from him...
xellos' mid defense seems very sparse, b/c a lot of his shit is in his dropships.
shuttles are.... um... what the heck? looked like he was going to mass unload, but hardly aything came out, then his regularly ground army clearns xellos' defense in mid..
free's shuttles not doing much really in stopping this nat cliff drop, free spots a xellos expo at the 3 nat. xellos finds and tries to drop the 1 expo of free. cannon and ht storm doing quite massive dmg to xellos' two drop tries.
a bunch of zeal ht seen at 5 still, with nothing to do. xellos continues to build cc at 3 nat area.
xellos firing at 1 expo from 2 min only, free drops the 5 expo with zeals, but xellos just lifts. free has nexus at 2 nat, but xellso scans it, he can just walk over from the 2 min only and cliff it.
zeal ht come to engage, free actually does a great job at eliminating that drop with what looked like an inferior force, but alas xellos drops 3 main.
free now using archon straight out of his gateways due to lack of minerals. his ht composition is increasing. xellso drops 3 main again, free doing nice storms and clears almost all fo the goli tank.
his play has been sloppy but his storms have seirously saved him thus far.
This is so unfair for Free.I would have smashed the computer with this retarded map.Free is palying way better and is slowly dying.Xellos is a fag terran. More storms raping everything
On January 04 2007 04:05 Adamthegreat wrote: I don't really care if Free looses this one, at least he shows us that this map is playable (recepie: 1:1 zeal/temp combo
No way it's playable
look how xellos is killing the last expo, impossible to defend against that
On January 04 2007 04:08 nothingbutzerg wrote: This is so unfair for Free.I would have smashed the computer with this retarded map.Free is palying way better and is slowly dying.Xellos is a fag terran. More storms raping everything
Looks like Kingdom is still the one closest to winning a PvT on Desert Fox. I also liked his DT strategy the best out of all three, if you're that disadvantaged, risking something is your best chance.
Free played very good but this map is T>>>>>>>>>>>>>P so... If it was normal xellos would go home and play brain server... i voted xellos cuz of the map
On January 04 2007 04:08 nothingbutzerg wrote: This is so unfair for Free.I would have smashed the computer with this retarded map.Free is palying way better and is slowly dying.Xellos is a fag terran. More storms raping everything
Nothingbutzerg, i think your quote should be katayoku, not katatsubasa. -___- tsubasa is the "kun" reading of the wing character while "yoku" is the "on" reading.
On January 04 2007 04:12 Orome wrote: Looks like Kingdom is still the one closest to winning a PvT on Desert Fox. I also liked his DT strategy the best out of all three, if you're that disadvantaged, risking something is your best chance.
A protoss already one on Desert fox if I'm not mistaken. Was pvt too
does anyone wanna get a pic of desert fox and show me where its imba / tank abuse cuz i cant stream shit these days and have no idea what the hell is happening and cannot picture any of that shit happening
Ra`s record vs Savior is not that bad. As far as I remember Ra beat Savior 2-1 in snickers all star league, and he lost twice 3-1 in msl. 4-7 pvz vs savior is nothing to be ashamed. Ra has a good chance to beat him in bo1 where Ra is the strongest.
On January 04 2007 04:31 Red_Dragon wrote: Ra`s record vs Savior is not that bad. As far as I remember Ra beat Savior 2-1 in snickers all star league, and he lost twice 3-1 in msl. 4-7 pvz vs savior is nothing to be ashamed. Ra has a good chance to beat him in bo1 where Ra is the strongest.
I totally agree...in a bo1 i think Ra is the strongest.He can beat anyone,and i love Ra vs Savior,it's becoming a classic of the MSL .
On January 04 2007 04:31 Red_Dragon wrote: Ra`s record vs Savior is not that bad. As far as I remember Ra beat Savior 2-1 in snickers all star league, and he lost twice 3-1 in msl. 4-7 pvz vs savior is nothing to be ashamed. Ra has a good chance to beat him in bo1 where Ra is the strongest.
On January 04 2007 07:13 MarcX wrote: wait, wtf? That guy is TheMarine? *THE* themarine? The guy that used to suck?
TheMarine did not "suck". If BoxeR invented the Terran book of tricks, TheMarine invented the Terran book of standard play. He was very top, I think still like rank 5 overall on PGR21 or something. [after the usual nada/boxer/yellow/reach]
rA/SavioR is becoming another BoxeR/YellOw, where rA can only win in the special events but loses in real leagues ;x
On January 04 2007 02:09 Orome wrote: That was Savior at his best. Pusan would've beaten anyone else today.
I think nal_rA using pusan's build would have beaten savior. I mean, his building placement would mean no stupid early building losses, and his corsair/reaver micro is much better. -.-;;
Nal_rA doesn't have Pusan's macro.
Orly? rA's macro is just fine. He took Savior down on baekdu in a huge macro war 20 archon 6 reaver vs 20 ultralisk style~
ra's macro is fine, but that's not the macro he means at all. quite funny actually.
also silver > much? wow his zvp . ppl are gonna hate him for this one.
On January 04 2007 14:08 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: much played as gay as possible. theres no way you can hate silver for this one.
Nah I still hate on Silver for that one. Much's opening seemed incredibly doomed from the start. Just thinking of the possibilities of it, its like he wanted something completely different to happen. He would have been even more fucked if Silver had gone to slow mutas, imo. Going range goon? ahaha; [
I particularly liked how Pusan played and its just another case of "too little too late." But if he had been able to succesfully reaver harass early on or do a little more damage with his DT run he may have won that match.
On January 04 2007 14:08 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: much played as gay as possible. theres no way you can hate silver for this one.
Nah I still hate on Silver for that one. Much's opening seemed incredibly doomed from the start. Just thinking of the possibilities of it, its like he wanted something completely different to happen. He would have been even more fucked if Silver had gone to slow mutas, imo. Going range goon? ahaha; [
I particularly liked how Pusan played and its just another case of "too little too late." But if he had been able to succesfully reaver harass early on or do a little more damage with his DT run he may have won that match.
IF only he had been able to....but SAVIOR IS PERFECT U CANT DEFEAT HIM LOLOLZ
EPT
LOL JUSTin.. hmm..nice nickname -__ -
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