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On February 13 2013 22:15 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 18:11 ninini wrote:On February 13 2013 14:05 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Why does it feel like only 4 teams are signing up, lol. Maybe because one of the teams took half of the active players from last season. Pretty unfair to say that... Let's put everything in blunt perspective. DeSPA had 3 active players. Freedom, more or less, had just me. That's 4 players... It's not anyone's fault that the players were inactive, it was just bad timing as it was December and everyone was studying or going back home to see their families. 4 isn't exactly half of the D-ranks community. O.o The reason I joined TAKK was because I didn't wanna have to take anymore responsibility of being captain, as like puppykiller pointed out in a post above, it's hard being captain. One person can hardly force completely strangers to actually take time out to play in a game (Not that I'm trying to bash on my own teammates in Freedom saying that they weren't listening to me). I just brought along Exy because I asked the members from Freedom if they would want to play another season together, and most of them said no as it'd get even busier for them, and Exy wanted to play, and I didn't wanna leave him in the cold, so I brought him along. Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 15:47 Sentenal wrote:
We could cut TAKK in half too cuz that team is huge. Less than half of them are even going to be able to play every week if its 5 set matches. Not everyone is gonna get to play anyways... We're all aware that there are going to be weeks when some of us can't play, while some of us probably won't play for several weeks. If the lack of playtime really becomes an issue, and it probably will, we'll think of something to do.
I meant that half of the active players from last season, including the players on TAKK went to one team, which isn't that far from the truth. And we're aiming for a 8 team league? It's time for a reality check! In every single season, 3-4 teams have fallen apart, sometimes more than that. And you still think it's a good idea to strengthen existing teams as the first priority? On top of that, the team is way too stacked in quality now. It's really hard to make a stronger, deeper team than that, that also fits the skill criterias of this league. Every team should be about the same in strength. Otherwise, what's the point of having a league? Courage have been strong since the beginning, but never this strong, and they have built their team on a good core of active players, signing players mostly outside of the league. Noone can blame them for building a strong team with their own efforts.
Having a draft at this point would be a farce, because TAKK already signed, like you pointed out, 4 players, including the drit finalist, the 2nd strongest terran from last season, (the best terran was already on the team) and lmaster + miss.click who are both solid players. How is that fair to the other teams? I'm not asking for a share for my team. I'm asking for the teams from last season who actually survived, to show some respect towards the league as a whole, by refraining from picking up players from dead teams, and letting newly formed teams get a chance to pick them up first. This is what's best for the competitiveness and stability of the league.
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On February 13 2013 22:15 SynC[gm] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 15:47 Sentenal wrote:
We could cut TAKK in half too cuz that team is huge. Less than half of them are even going to be able to play every week if its 5 set matches. Not everyone is gonna get to play anyways... We're all aware that there are going to be weeks when some of us can't play, while some of us probably won't play for several weeks. If the lack of playtime really becomes an issue, and it probably will, we'll think of something to do.
Its going to be every week where like 70% of you can't play. How many people are on Super TAKK right now? 13 or 14? Even if your team has 2-3 inactives, that's still half of the team of active players who won't be able to play. Courage is 10 players right now, and even we struggle at trying to get all of our players playtime.
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Dudes i want to sign up, but i dont have a team, let me know if someone wants to pick me.
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On February 14 2013 07:29 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 22:15 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 13 2013 15:47 Sentenal wrote:
We could cut TAKK in half too cuz that team is huge. Less than half of them are even going to be able to play every week if its 5 set matches. Not everyone is gonna get to play anyways... We're all aware that there are going to be weeks when some of us can't play, while some of us probably won't play for several weeks. If the lack of playtime really becomes an issue, and it probably will, we'll think of something to do. Its going to be every week where like 70% of you can't play. How many people are on Super TAKK right now? 13 or 14? Even if your team has 2-3 inactives, that's still half of the team of active players who won't be able to play. Courage is 10 players right now, and even we struggle at trying to get all of our players playtime.
I think everyone is blowing the TAKK thing a bit out of proportion. You have to remember that this season, the format is a Best of 7 Proleague style with ace match. That means each team needs at least 6 players playing. Since it's not all kill, that means all 6 matches are also encouraged to be played regardless if one team has already won 4-0, just to allow more play time. TAKK has 13 players, not all can make it every week, but it's definitely not going to be 70% not being able to play.
It's also hard to deny that every season so far, there's been at least 1-2 teams that just die out (Season 2 had 10 teams with a minimum of 8 players each). I don't blame the active players from the dying team of wanting to merge together as well, it must have been a struggle just trying to communicate between players. They didn't have the luxury that Courage had of everyone being in an IRC channel already. Also, if TAKK didn't take players, they might not have even been able to play this season. By the end of DRAKL, they had only 6 members.
Finally, it's also a fun league. And people want to play on the same team as friends, so forcing TAKK to drop players may or may not result in the best outcome anyways. Having 4 strong/consistent teams playing each other two or three more times may not be that bad an idea. Although, I personally would like to have ideally at least 6 strong teams, but the player pool just doesn't really seem to allow it.
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On February 14 2013 08:39 Nagisama wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:29 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2013 22:15 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 13 2013 15:47 Sentenal wrote:
We could cut TAKK in half too cuz that team is huge. Less than half of them are even going to be able to play every week if its 5 set matches. Not everyone is gonna get to play anyways... We're all aware that there are going to be weeks when some of us can't play, while some of us probably won't play for several weeks. If the lack of playtime really becomes an issue, and it probably will, we'll think of something to do. Its going to be every week where like 70% of you can't play. How many people are on Super TAKK right now? 13 or 14? Even if your team has 2-3 inactives, that's still half of the team of active players who won't be able to play. Courage is 10 players right now, and even we struggle at trying to get all of our players playtime. I think everyone is blowing the TAKK thing a bit out of proportion. You have to remember that this season, the format is a Best of 7 Proleague style with ace match. That means each team needs at least 6 players playing. Since it's not all kill, that means all 6 matches are also encouraged to be played regardless if one team has already won 4-0, just to allow more play time. TAKK has 13 players, not all can make it every week, but it's definitely not going to be 70% not being able to play. It's also hard to deny that every season so far, there's been at least 1-2 teams that just die out (Season 2 had 10 teams with a minimum of 8 players each). I don't blame the active players from the dying team of wanting to merge together as well, it must have been a struggle just trying to communicate between players. They didn't have the luxury that Courage had of everyone being in an IRC channel already. Also, if TAKK didn't take players, they might not have even been able to play this season. By the end of DRAKL, they had only 6 members. Finally, it's also a fun league. And people want to play on the same team as friends, so forcing TAKK to drop players may or may not result in the best outcome anyways. Having 4 strong/consistent teams playing each other two or three more times may not be that bad an idea. Although, I personally would like to have ideally at least 6 strong teams, but the player pool just doesn't really seem to allow it.
See:On February 11 2013 11:11 L_Master wrote:
There sign up period will be from time of posting of thread (AKA now), until February 28th. A draft will then be conducted over skype for the remaining players to fill out teams.
Number of the teams will determine the finality of Bo5 vs Bo7, as well as length of league and whether or not ace matches are utimately used.
I highly doubt its going to be a Bo7 league with sign-ups as they are right now. Right now there are a totally of 3 teams that actually have people on them, a couple of free agents, and one team that cannabalized half the other teams from previous seasons. If that isn't a problem, IDK what is.
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Well let's try a thought exercise on team and league populations. Let's assume ace matches. Let's assume 1/3 of a team's roster will be inactive/unable to play on any given match date. So for a team to be viable in a Bo5, it needs at least 6 players. For Bo7, it needs 9 players. If we want a league with 8 teams, we'd need a player population of at least 48 for Bo5 and 72 for Bo7. Right now we have 42 players on 4 teams, and 4 sign-ups 2 days after the OP was posted. If sign-ups proceed apace we'll get 48 new players, which would be plenty for 4 more big teams, Bo7, or what have you.
But will we get that many? I'm afraid we can't be quite that optimistic about the population. Let's look at populations in previous seasons.
DRATL: 69 on rosters, 55 actually played
DRTL3: 52 if you don't count teams that outright disbanded
So we can forecast a player population in the 50s. To be generous, let's assume we can get 60 players. Well that's not enough for Bo7, so let's consider Bo5. We know we already have 42 players on 4 teams, so the rest of our population for the remaining 4 teams would be 18. So at minimum team size we could make 3 new teams. Not enough to fill out 8 active teams, unless we split off some players from a big team like TAKK, whose 13 players alone are enough to constitute 2 full, active rosters in a Bo5 acematch setting.
Of course as Nagi mentioned maybe we don't really need 8 teams. We could make do with 4 teams, or 6 teams, or however many. Just know that with oversized rosters, it's possible to have a situation where we have enough population for 8 teams, but can't actually make them since people are stuck in pre-existing teams.
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I feel like having 6 teams with 10-14 players would be the best choice. It might not be the popular choice, but why not try it out this season? I mean, I don't wanna speak for the other teams, but say TAKK, Courage, Stealth Bunnies, DeSPA, Airforce (if they sign up), and NW Power (if they sign up) are the teams for DRTL. Sign-ups will eventually come, and enough so that each team has enough players to be distributed among evenly. We could possibly play each other 2-3 times in a Bo7.
That's just my idea... But again, if something MUST be done... We'll see. I'm definitely trying to speak for TAKK in that we're not trying to limit anyone of any sort of opportunity to play.
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Here's our confirmed players so far.
Airforce Ace of Spades
 L1ghtning (captain)
 Floladriblere (captain)
Rlentless (maybe)
mg.arb
sgsFabiano
 CityShuffle
CoughingHydra (TvZ)
pivert94
michamicha
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On February 14 2013 10:42 puppykiller wrote:
I am BIGsandwich88.
That doesn't really answer why you were trying to act like bigsandwich88 was someone else, which is what everyone was laughing about lol
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it looked like a kind of bad joke i think
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On February 14 2013 10:45 Sentenal wrote:That doesn't really answer why you were trying to act like bigsandwich88 was someone else, which is what everyone was laughing about lol
He prolly doesnt wanna admit his name is
"BIGsandwich"
tbh.
but to be fair it makes me giggle everytime i read it haha
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How is that fair to the other teams?
This TAKK team doesn't have a chance against Team Stealth Bunnies without having a massive roster to draw from! I say let them keep their megateam full of Bibiane and Rush smurfs, (whole team is only 1 person yo!) because they'll need every advantage they can get if they want to take even a single match from us!
![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/chat/smiles-hidden/jae2.gif)
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On February 14 2013 11:30 Birdie wrote:This TAKK team doesn't have a chance against Team Stealth Bunnies without having a massive roster to draw from! I say let them keep their megateam full of Bibiane and Rush smurfs, (whole team is only 1 person yo!) because they'll need every advantage they can get if they want to take even a single match from us!
How many times did the Stealth Bunnies get All-Killed in DRATL, again?
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BIGsandwich88 is a great guy.
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On February 14 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:30 Birdie wrote:How is that fair to the other teams? This TAKK team doesn't have a chance against Team Stealth Bunnies without having a massive roster to draw from! I say let them keep their megateam full of Bibiane and Rush smurfs, (whole team is only 1 person yo!) because they'll need every advantage they can get if they want to take even a single match from us! How many times did the Stealth Bunnies get All-Killed in DRATL, again?
Too busy watching Jaedong gif to look it up...
But 2 times. It could've been 3, but DeSPA went 3-0 with a walkover.
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On February 14 2013 08:46 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 08:39 Nagisama wrote:On February 14 2013 07:29 Sentenal wrote:On February 13 2013 22:15 SynC[gm] wrote:On February 13 2013 15:47 Sentenal wrote:
We could cut TAKK in half too cuz that team is huge. Less than half of them are even going to be able to play every week if its 5 set matches. Not everyone is gonna get to play anyways... We're all aware that there are going to be weeks when some of us can't play, while some of us probably won't play for several weeks. If the lack of playtime really becomes an issue, and it probably will, we'll think of something to do. Its going to be every week where like 70% of you can't play. How many people are on Super TAKK right now? 13 or 14? Even if your team has 2-3 inactives, that's still half of the team of active players who won't be able to play. Courage is 10 players right now, and even we struggle at trying to get all of our players playtime. I think everyone is blowing the TAKK thing a bit out of proportion. You have to remember that this season, the format is a Best of 7 Proleague style with ace match. That means each team needs at least 6 players playing. Since it's not all kill, that means all 6 matches are also encouraged to be played regardless if one team has already won 4-0, just to allow more play time. TAKK has 13 players, not all can make it every week, but it's definitely not going to be 70% not being able to play. It's also hard to deny that every season so far, there's been at least 1-2 teams that just die out (Season 2 had 10 teams with a minimum of 8 players each). I don't blame the active players from the dying team of wanting to merge together as well, it must have been a struggle just trying to communicate between players. They didn't have the luxury that Courage had of everyone being in an IRC channel already. Also, if TAKK didn't take players, they might not have even been able to play this season. By the end of DRAKL, they had only 6 members. Finally, it's also a fun league. And people want to play on the same team as friends, so forcing TAKK to drop players may or may not result in the best outcome anyways. Having 4 strong/consistent teams playing each other two or three more times may not be that bad an idea. Although, I personally would like to have ideally at least 6 strong teams, but the player pool just doesn't really seem to allow it. See: Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:11 L_Master wrote:
There sign up period will be from time of posting of thread (AKA now), until February 28th. A draft will then be conducted over skype for the remaining players to fill out teams.
Number of the teams will determine the finality of Bo5 vs Bo7, as well as length of league and whether or not ace matches are utimately used. I highly doubt its going to be a Bo7 league with sign-ups as they are right now. Right now there are a totally of 3 teams that actually have people on them, a couple of free agents, and one team that cannabalized half the other teams from previous seasons. If that isn't a problem, IDK what is.
Basically we shall see where we are in about 2 weeks, and if players are still fairly low that's when we look at splitting teams or players if need be.
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On February 14 2013 11:37 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:30 Birdie wrote:How is that fair to the other teams? This TAKK team doesn't have a chance against Team Stealth Bunnies without having a massive roster to draw from! I say let them keep their megateam full of Bibiane and Rush smurfs, (whole team is only 1 person yo!) because they'll need every advantage they can get if they want to take even a single match from us! How many times did the Stealth Bunnies get All-Killed in DRATL, again?
No idea, I wasn't involved with that. Look to the future, for there shines a great trophy with STEALTH BUNNIES DRTL4 written on it!
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The proud Birdie and his Stealth Bunnies... Where are the updated ELO rankings? -___-;;
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