EPThttp://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html
14-0 to 6-17 in 4 weeks. You can't explain that.
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Jealous
10156 Posts
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/sGs.BaBo.html 14-0 to 6-17 in 4 weeks. You can't explain that. xDD | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:33 Jealous wrote: 12-3 (the example I listed) is usually low D+, so therefore mostly games played at D level, so therefore more lower skilled opponents, therefore not necessarily gosu. In my laddering experience, I often go 8-0 or 9-0 then end up like 28-23 at the end of the season due to D+ and C- opponents. As far as streaks go, it's all a matter of luck and timing anyways. One season I go 14-0 last 2 weeks, next season I am 28-26 first 2 weeks, skill hasn't changed much though. That really depends. If I'm laddering, and I want to jump quick ranks, I'll play D+ players even when I'm D rank (as will a lot of people). Sometimes we consistently choose to play against C- players when we're D+ rank too. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:33 Jealous wrote: 12-3 (the example I listed) is usually low D+, so therefore mostly games played at D level, so therefore more lower skilled opponents, therefore not necessarily [relatively] gosu. In my laddering experience, I often go 8-0 or 9-0 then end up like 28-23 at the end of the season due to D+ and C- opponents. As far as streaks go, it's all a matter of luck and timing anyways. One season I go 14-0 last 2 weeks, next season I am 28-26 first 2 weeks, skill hasn't changed much though. Going 14-0 in the last 2 weeks then 28-26 in the first 2 weeks is pretty normal, thats when the higher skilled players are still D rank. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:34 Zergneedsfood wrote: That really depends. If I'm laddering, and I want to jump quick ranks, I'll play D+ players even when I'm D rank (as will a lot of people). Sometimes we consistently choose to play against C- players when we're D+ rank too. A true D+ player won't have "jump quick rankS" on their mind. Why? 1. Because games vs. D+ for a true D+ player should be ~50/50, which mitigates whatever point bonus you get from playing equally strong opponents (as opposed to higher winrate with lower payoff). 2. Because you can only jump 1 rank and still be allowed in this league LOL OOPS GG NO ONE FALLIN FO YO SHIT ZNF | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:37 arb wrote: Going 14-0 in the last 2 weeks then 28-26 in the first 2 weeks is pretty normal, thats when the higher skilled players are still D rank. I know. That's my point. Stats ain't shit. Skill is what matters. None of the players in this league are legitimate C- players, regardless of what stats may say. Hence people should stop being soggy napkins. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
I'm just saying the assertion that for some reason people not playing C-s on a ladder consistently means they're not C- is incredibly misleading. If we follow your criteria, I think I should just recruit DryWater onto Team Courage for them. He has only hit C- and stopped playing. I think he is therefore a D+ ranked player. Everyone okay with that? O_o | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
1. Because games vs. D+ for a true D+ player should be ~50/50, which mitigates whatever point bonus you get from playing equally strong opponents (as opposed to higher winrate with lower payoff). No. Not on iCCup. On Fish, two players with 850 points playing each other should have a constant 50/100 games won each, until their skill changes. If one player starts getting better, he'll start winning more, but his ranking will climb too. If two players of truly equal skill on Fish play each other 100 times and each win 50 games, their ranking at the end will be the same. On iCCup, they'll both be B- by then or around that mark. | ||
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Jealous
10156 Posts
On February 22 2013 12:42 Zergneedsfood wrote: wtf are you even saying? I'm just saying the assertion that for some reason people not playing C-s on a ladder consistently means they're not C- is incredibly misleading. If we follow your criteria, I think I should just recruit DryWater onto Team Courage for them. He has only hit C- and stopped playing. I think he is therefore a D+ ranked player. Everyone okay with that? O_o I was being sarcastic in my last post to you. On February 22 2013 12:42 Birdie wrote: No. Not on iCCup. On Fish, two players with 850 points playing each other should have a constant 50/100 games won each, until their skill changes. If one player starts getting better, he'll start winning more, but his ranking will climb too. If two players of truly equal skill on Fish play each other 100 times and each win 50 games, their ranking at the end will be the same. On iCCup, they'll both be B- by then or around that mark. Read above. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
Okay. <3 | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On February 22 2013 10:36 Jealous wrote: Since Pebble444 is gone and I am senior member of Sun Kan I would like to say that if we get the option to do so during the draft (depending on if there is a team that needs players more than we do, gets first pick over us for whatever reason, and if puppykiller is allowed), I'd like to shotty puppykiller because we have no Zergs and only 3 confirmed members, and because I've played with him before and have his contact info already. (reason for this post is that I do not know when draft is and am not sure if I will be able to attend) 2 of the players in the current draft pool have said that they won't be able to make it to most Saturdays, and will probably not be able to attend more than they can attend, so even IF DeSPA were to get all the players, including puppykiller, it would barely be enough... Honestly, I think it's a matter of just recruiting at this point... I tried to get some of the players that played in the most recent DRIT to sign up for DRTL in kalk and Pyre_Fly, and hopefully, some more people can go out and spread the word, possibly to people who are unaware that TeamLiquid even exists. I know it's pretty unlikely that a person on iCCup would just randomly be like "Oh, you're inviting me to a foreign website to compete in some random league? OKAY!", but eh, it's worth a shot, and 1 more person in the draft can make all the difference. And on the topic of stats/iCCup rankings... Birdie, update your ELO rankings... :D | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
its kinda funny i've played about 70 games so far but i don't think i've played any of the players in this league | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
And on the topic of stats/iCCup rankings... Birdie, update your ELO rankings... :D It's not a matter of updating it; to include every single iCCup game I have to recode an entire website spidering system, parse the data into a database, process the data using the Glicko2 ranking system, then format the data. The last two steps are the simple bits, the first two are the bits I haven't done before and am having a bit of a learning curve as I learn to code it. Plus procrastination and being busy with this that and the other. EDIT I take that back, it's not so bad. I found a nice library that lets me parse the data easily. The only problem I have now is that each page takes a few seconds to download, probably because the iccup server is in russia and I'm in New Zealand. So doing 200000 or however many games will take several days, if not weeks. That's not really feasible, so I'm going to see if I can get the iccup games database off them... would make things a lot easier. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
Edit: ahh just now noticed you want every game from a player and not his ranking. Sorry but I don't have that  | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 22 2013 18:18 Birdie wrote: It's not a matter of updating it; to include every single iCCup game I have to recode an entire website spidering system, parse the data into a database, process the data using the Glicko2 ranking system, then format the data. The last two steps are the simple bits, the first two are the bits I haven't done before and am having a bit of a learning curve as I learn to code it. Plus procrastination and being busy with this that and the other. EDIT I take that back, it's not so bad. I found a nice library that lets me parse the data easily. The only problem I have now is that each page takes a few seconds to download, probably because the iccup server is in russia and I'm in New Zealand. So doing 200000 or however many games will take several days, if not weeks. That's not really feasible, so I'm going to see if I can get the iccup games database off them... would make things a lot easier. Woah woah woah, the fabled New Birdie ELO for D-Rank Leagues is going to use Iccup stats now? What the fuck? Why? You are essentially wanting to include practice games into an ELO ranking....? | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
On February 22 2013 23:25 Sentenal wrote: Woah woah woah, the fabled New Birdie ELO for D-Rank Leagues is going to use Iccup stats now? What the fuck? Why? You are essentially wanting to include practice games into an ELO ranking....? Why don't you like it,i thinks it's a good idea to get to know the player in general rather than only the games he played in D Leagues.Besides this way we can see how much you practice your 9/9's | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
On February 22 2013 23:27 t0ssboy wrote: Why don't you like it,i thinks it's a good idea to get to know the player in general rather than only the games he played in D Leagues.Besides this way we can see how much you practice your 9/9's Only reason you like it so much is because you reach C- on a daily basis per season. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 22 2013 23:27 t0ssboy wrote: Why don't you like it,i thinks it's a good idea to get to know the player in general rather than only the games he played in D Leagues.Besides this way we can see how much you practice your 9/9's Practice games don't matter in an ELO system, to think otherwise is to be completely delusional. Practice games are just that, practice. I'll give you a great example why practice games don't matter.. Lets take the best player in these leagues, Prophecy_. On Birdie's first ELO ranking, he was ranked #3. Then he went 6-1 in DRTL3. Then went 10-1 in DRATL. And is now set to play in the finals of DRIT5 after having to go through a Death Bracket. Hes clearly one of the top players in the league. Go look at his ladder stats and tell me they represent his skill. Unless you think a 0-3 D- player is the best player in the league. | ||
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t0ssboy
Bulgaria681 Posts
On February 22 2013 23:33 SynC[gm] wrote: Only reason you like it so much is because you reach C- on a daily basis per season. Well yes for some reason despite being really bad(and i do admit it) i reach C- but my bad results(for some reason)show that my skill is not that of a C- player,because if it was i wasn't gonna go like 1-6 or 2-6 in DRATL. | ||
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Jealous
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