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revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
July 20 2012 15:43 GMT
#2601
On July 20 2012 16:10 HawaiianPig wrote:
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On July 20 2012 16:07 Vazze wrote:
On July 20 2012 15:04 Caihead wrote:
On July 19 2012 23:08 Ciryandor wrote:
On July 19 2012 21:41 Caihead wrote:
On July 19 2012 17:19 Turbovolver wrote:
On July 19 2012 00:36 Lightwip wrote:
I'm not sure how you can say Savior is one of the greatest when he doesn't even have a single achievement.

Lightwip, I never expected to say this, but I fucking love you.


i'm confused, are you being serious? savior got golds when nada / iloveoov were around and had 90%~+ win rate against zerg.

He is serious. My goodness, I love the game and the scene, and the guy's got a point. Can't we just agree to disagree on this one?


I will just link to a far superior article to explain why savior was THE bonjwa, no one even called boxer or iloveoov by that name till savior coined it.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=226236
Srsly, 12 ZvT series wins in a row against ridiculously hard opponents, probably the hardest roster BW has EVER seen (boxer, midas, nada, iloveoov, hwasin), 12-0, no one has beat that yet. 6 finals in a row. 75% win rate on longinus 2 and reverse temple (while other zergs had 25%). Go win ONE game on longinus 2 / reverse temple as zerg against terran then come and tell me savior doesn't have achievements.


Man that article is so good. Anyone knows if Ver is working on the second part?


It's in the pipe


Glad to hear it.. I've been fearing that Ver disappeared. As I hear Ver also had a Flash FE in the works too.
mima
Profile Joined October 2010
26 Posts
July 20 2012 18:58 GMT
#2602
Too bad set 3 ended so abrupt. It was sad to see Flash get academy way before Fantasy, then reveal his wraiths and end up not having comsats at all while Fantasy countered with both the advantage of surprise and had comsats. Flash utterly failed at predicting Fantasy's strategy in that game.

Well, I guess it's over for Flash.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2503 Posts
July 20 2012 19:03 GMT
#2603
UHm can anyone tell me when is the finals?
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
July 20 2012 20:28 GMT
#2604
So sad that Flash isn't going to win the last OSL. Now I'm torn as to who to cheer for in the finals... the last OSL. As someone who joined the scene in 2010 with SC2, it's a bit weird, but I'm emotionally attached to the idea of the last major BW tournament going out the door... it's sad. The progenitor to the game that I follow religiously is professionally obsolete, and that's sad.

Good games, well played, looking forward to seeing great, quality professional BW for one last time.
BwCBlueBox.837
Masheyoon
Profile Joined October 2009
United States781 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2605
On July 19 2012 02:47 zenMaster wrote:
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On July 18 2012 18:47 Malinor wrote:
On July 18 2012 15:14 Masheyoon wrote:
On July 18 2012 14:49 Jealous wrote:
Could anyone give me a list of specific possible reasons for why Fantasy constantly saved upwards of 2-3 k min/1k gas in the late game with ~150/160 supply? Was it in expectation of being broke soon? Was it for the availability of a full air switch? Some concrete answers would be great ^^


A general rule of thumb in Starcraft is to always keep your resources below 400, but that isn't always true. I remember once when Jaedong went pure zergling/mutalisk against Light all the way until the late game and stock piled a ridiculous 3k minerlas and gas. 3k! Many thought his macro was just seriously off that game, but Jaedong's strat was actually obvious: he was saving up for ultralisks, and it worked out. He tried this strategy again during a later encounter against Flash but didn't even manage to get his ultralisk caverns up. Some people insisted he played badly and his macro was terrible when it actually wasn't. He was just going for a specific and risky strategy.


That game against Light was a thing of beauty. Jaedong was down 50-60 supply for a good 5-10 minutes, but always seemed in control, and then after defending everything for a good ten minutes, he just rolled him with an unbelievable army out of nowhere.

which game? Link please?




I actually stand corrected on a few things: Jaedong stockpiled 2k-ish gas and minerals, not 3k. He also used lurkers and defilers to help defend, but he was indeed down by at least 50-60 supply at one point. Beautiful game!
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
July 26 2012 20:47 GMT
#2606
I haven't been on TL much lately, have I missed the OSL finals!?!? I couldn't see them on the calendar or upcoming events
Calculatedly addicted to Substance D for profit by drug terrorists
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
July 26 2012 20:51 GMT
#2607
On July 27 2012 05:47 oldgregg wrote:
I haven't been on TL much lately, have I missed the OSL finals!?!? I couldn't see them on the calendar or upcoming events


I don't know why there is such a long gap, but the finals aren't until the 4th.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-26 21:25:42
July 26 2012 21:25 GMT
#2608
On July 21 2012 05:49 Masheyoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 02:47 zenMaster wrote:
On July 18 2012 18:47 Malinor wrote:
On July 18 2012 15:14 Masheyoon wrote:
On July 18 2012 14:49 Jealous wrote:
Could anyone give me a list of specific possible reasons for why Fantasy constantly saved upwards of 2-3 k min/1k gas in the late game with ~150/160 supply? Was it in expectation of being broke soon? Was it for the availability of a full air switch? Some concrete answers would be great ^^


A general rule of thumb in Starcraft is to always keep your resources below 400, but that isn't always true. I remember once when Jaedong went pure zergling/mutalisk against Light all the way until the late game and stock piled a ridiculous 3k minerlas and gas. 3k! Many thought his macro was just seriously off that game, but Jaedong's strat was actually obvious: he was saving up for ultralisks, and it worked out. He tried this strategy again during a later encounter against Flash but didn't even manage to get his ultralisk caverns up. Some people insisted he played badly and his macro was terrible when it actually wasn't. He was just going for a specific and risky strategy.


That game against Light was a thing of beauty. Jaedong was down 50-60 supply for a good 5-10 minutes, but always seemed in control, and then after defending everything for a good ten minutes, he just rolled him with an unbelievable army out of nowhere.

which game? Link please?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uQAWM1T-_o&feature=player_embedded

I actually stand corrected on a few things: Jaedong stockpiled 2k-ish gas and minerals, not 3k. He also used lurkers and defilers to help defend, but he was indeed down by at least 50-60 supply at one point. Beautiful game!

yeah, umm. That's ZvT where units are limited largely by larvae. And lings cost ~10% of an ultra. So zergs have this option. See crazyhydra vs Ssak as well.

In TvT, i believe Fantasy just focused so much on his micro. That, and the fact that in TvT, you tend to have 3 secure bases and the others were much more vulnerable. Fantasy was clearly trying to punish flash for taking a 4th and 5th, therefore, slackening in the defense of his own 4th and 5th. If he were to lose these bases, extra factories to keep his resources down would stop producing units and the factories themselves would be a waste.
On July 27 2012 05:51 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 05:47 oldgregg wrote:
I haven't been on TL much lately, have I missed the OSL finals!?!? I couldn't see them on the calendar or upcoming events


I don't know why there is such a long gap, but the finals aren't until the 4th.

it was going to be tonight (iirc) but they moved to a different, larger venue so they moved it to the 4th
☺
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
July 26 2012 22:39 GMT
#2609
On July 27 2012 05:51 hacklebeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 05:47 oldgregg wrote:
I haven't been on TL much lately, have I missed the OSL finals!?!? I couldn't see them on the calendar or upcoming events


I don't know why there is such a long gap, but the finals aren't until the 4th.


oh thanks. i wonder why i couldnt see it on the calendar...
Calculatedly addicted to Substance D for profit by drug terrorists
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
July 26 2012 23:07 GMT
#2610
On July 27 2012 06:25 Release wrote:
it was going to be tonight (iirc) but they moved to a different, larger venue so they moved it to the 4th


That decision has really killed the hype for me. I was super excited... and then they delayed it. Wtf?
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
July 27 2012 00:51 GMT
#2611
On July 27 2012 08:07 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 06:25 Release wrote:
it was going to be tonight (iirc) but they moved to a different, larger venue so they moved it to the 4th


That decision has really killed the hype for me. I was super excited... and then they delayed it. Wtf?


They got a bigger venue.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Messi
Profile Joined September 2011
United States212 Posts
July 27 2012 05:53 GMT
#2612
why tvt why!!!
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
July 27 2012 23:53 GMT
#2613
is zona around to take the lr of the finals? I think it should be started about now (a week to hype it up ^.^)
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
July 28 2012 03:12 GMT
#2614
On July 28 2012 08:53 N.geNuity wrote:
is zona around to take the lr of the finals? I think it should be started about now (a week to hype it up ^.^)

I dunno, it's been a long time since he's contacted either me or Hyde. Anyway, I'm working on something right now, should be up this weekend.
Writer:o
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
July 31 2012 04:10 GMT
#2615
No pressure or anything, but if you wait one more day, I promise you a thread with the worst banners ever. >:}
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Vazze
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden279 Posts
July 31 2012 04:51 GMT
#2616
On July 31 2012 13:10 figq wrote:
No pressure or anything, but if you wait one more day, I promise you a thread with the worst banners ever. >:}


We need a thread to dump hype in asap!!
Jung Myung Hoon and Doh Jae Wook fan!
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