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On May 29 2012 16:32 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:30 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Guide to Micro in SC2:
1)Select desired group of units to be used in battle
2) Ctrl + 1
3) 1a
Guide to Macro:
1) Select all production building.
2) Ctrl + (any number key 2-0)
3) Use Shift + (Same number key) to add more into the group
Congratulations! You are now a SC2 progamer! You know that's pretty much one of the easiest way to lose in SC2 with the "one control group syndrome"  Actually, Bisu lost his first SC2 game because he put everything in one control group so he mismicroed his units and lost.
I've yet to see an SC2 game not decided by one key battle between two big balls of units. In fact, it seems that whenever a player decides to get cute and utilize harassment or drop, they would get steamrolled by the other player's ball.
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have you watched non-kespa sc2?
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On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad.
Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit.
Seriously, I feel like I'm reading the SC2 part of the site already, and then random people start throwing "bw elitists" around.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49497 Posts
Poll: Recommend Set 2?(SC2)No (10) 83% Yes (1) 8% If you have time (1) 8% 12 total votes Your vote: Recommend Set 2?(SC2) (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time
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On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit.
because they are bad at sc2 right now? Why do you feel the need to lie to yourself that these guys are amazing at this game when anyone with some experience can tell you they absolutely are not? Nobody is questioning their bw skill, but I don't feel the need to make shit up about how my favourite players are so good at this game right now when actually they are pretty bad
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On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit.
Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them.
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On May 29 2012 16:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:32 Veldril wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Guide to Micro in SC2:
1)Select desired group of units to be used in battle
2) Ctrl + 1
3) 1a
Guide to Macro:
1) Select all production building.
2) Ctrl + (any number key 2-0)
3) Use Shift + (Same number key) to add more into the group
Congratulations! You are now a SC2 progamer! You know that's pretty much one of the easiest way to lose in SC2 with the "one control group syndrome" Actually, Bisu lost his first SC2 game because he put everything in one control group so he mismicroed his units and lost. I've yet to see an SC2 game not decided by one key battle between two big balls of units. In fact, it seems that whenever a player decides to get cute and utilize harassment or drop, they would get steamrolled by the other player's ball.
There are many examples. ST_Ace vs BboongBboong.Prime from GSL Up and Down is one of the most recent examples I can think of. Oh and most MarineKing.Prime vs ST_Parting games also feature constant aggression too.
Modern TvZ also relies on T harassing Z so they cannot get away with 3 bases+ and crazy droning. Many players make their name from aggressive drop play that stretch Z's multitasking to the limit, such as Slayers_MMA and FXO_Gumiho.
Also, fighting between two ball of units does not mean you can put all units in one control group. Different units have different micro that they are needed so it's better to put units into smaller groups.
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On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit.
Some of them are just bad at SC2 at the moment... That's not inflammatory to anyone watching these games without bias... I'm not trolling or anything. If I honestly can't mention that there is a lot for these guys to improve upon then I guess I'm sorry... These guys area obviously way better at BW than the SC2 pros. No one is arguing that. ATM they are playing a SC2 BO3 though so we're commenting on that...
EffOrt is already pretty good at SC2... I can't wait until the rest can catch up!
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On May 29 2012 16:53 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit. Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them.
Well, maybe you only watch the SC2 part to mock them, but for me the only reason I watch SC2 at all is because of the KeSPA players. In a sense, I'm discovering the game together with them. I can very well do without the "these guys are bad" part. I mean, you don't see me going around and posting "this game is bad" in the SC2 forum, do you?
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On May 29 2012 16:53 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:24 Lightwip wrote:
One battle and the winner is decided.
Fun game. Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit. Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them.
Well, watching they play SC2 to mock them is not a good hobby to have in my opinion
I enjoy seeing them grow as SC2 players. There are many things that are fun to watch, as long as you don't expect the game to be top notch, GSL code S level.
On May 29 2012 16:57 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:53 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit. Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them. Well, maybe you only watch the SC2 part to mock them, but for me the only reason I watch SC2 at all is because of the KeSPA players. In a sense, I'm discovering the game together with them. I can very well do without the "these guys are bad" part. I mean, you don't see me going around and posting "this game is bad" in the SC2 forum, do you?
I totally agree with you. They are not GSL level right now, but it's fun to learn the game with them. Sorry if someone making you mad, but please don't judge SC2 fan base on that.
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Rofl, interview lady hiding her face.
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On May 29 2012 16:57 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:53 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit. Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them. Well, maybe you only watch the SC2 part to mock them, but for me the only reason I watch SC2 at all is because of the KeSPA players. In a sense, I'm discovering the game together with them. I can very well do without the "these guys are bad" part. I mean, you don't see me going around and posting "this game is bad" in the SC2 forum, do you?
You were the person who asked if he was implying player X was better than player Y after he cited an example of how different a GSTL game last night was in terms of structure and action to the PL game we just watched lol =p
But yes, these discussions are kinda unnecessary.
On May 29 2012 16:58 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:53 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:50 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:48 singul4rity wrote:On May 29 2012 16:43 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:38 Lyter wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. do you honestly believe the kespa players are the best at sc2 right now? i can't fathom this stupidity Years of rigorous training have risen their general skill level extremely high. It's only natural that they do well in a game that's as similar to BW as SC2 is. On May 29 2012 16:39 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:36 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:31 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 Nikon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:27 Ribbon wrote:
[quote]
Let's not start an SC2 vs BW thread, because this is some tragic SC2. The difference between that game and, say, Crank vs Freaky in last night's GSTL, is pretty stark. Are you implying that Crank and Freaky are better than BeSt and Flying? At SC2? By leaps and bounds. Eh, if you think so. For all I know and I've seen from SC2 beforehand, Crank and Freaky are maybe good enough to be b-teamers in any random KeSPA team. Moon was a god of WC3. Does that mean he's comparable to Flash in BW? This argument is stupid. Yeah, except the fact that WC3 is pretty different from BW, unlike SC2. ... That must be why there are only about 2-3 BW pros in Grandmaster. If you honestly think these BW pros are on the level of GSL Code S players you are truly showing your ignorance of SC2. I'm not saying they won't improve very quickly, but many of them are still pretty bad. Why the fuck do you keep saying that the BW players are bad in the god damned BW section, holy shit. Because we're talking about them being bad at SC2. Which they are. That last game was terrible, as was the game before it. I'm sure they'll get good etc etc etc., but right now the only reason to watch KeSPA players play SC2 is to mock them. Well, watching they play SC2 to mock them is not a good hobby to have in my opinion I enjoy seeing them grow as SC2 players. There are many things that are fun to watch, as long as you don't expect the game to be top notch, GSL code S level.
This is it for me too.
Most of the fun from watching the SC2 side of games is to see how the players grow week in and week out as they learn the finer points of the game. It's nice to see how incredibly talented players refine and improve as they go; take JD's first ZvP loss vs Rain and compare it with his clutch ace match win vs Lizzy, the improvement is cool to see.
I'm looking forward to probably seeing Soulkey play now and seeing how he's improved his ZvP since the last time we saw him play SC2 as well =)
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Yeah, the speed at which they've improved is actually staggering.
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What did that guy yell at the beginning of the third set? There was hwaiting cheer for both players, then one guy yells something. I didn't catch what he said.
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liking the new fantasy tearing shit up with a stone cold look on his face.
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Soulkey does an extractor trick just to get a drone out a little faster. That's actually bad; it's mathematically worse than 9 overlord unless you're doing something like a 10pool
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On May 29 2012 16:54 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:32 Veldril wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Guide to Micro in SC2:
1)Select desired group of units to be used in battle
2) Ctrl + 1
3) 1a
Guide to Macro:
1) Select all production building.
2) Ctrl + (any number key 2-0)
3) Use Shift + (Same number key) to add more into the group
Congratulations! You are now a SC2 progamer! You know that's pretty much one of the easiest way to lose in SC2 with the "one control group syndrome" Actually, Bisu lost his first SC2 game because he put everything in one control group so he mismicroed his units and lost. I've yet to see an SC2 game not decided by one key battle between two big balls of units. In fact, it seems that whenever a player decides to get cute and utilize harassment or drop, they would get steamrolled by the other player's ball. There are many examples. ST_Ace vs BboongBboong.Prime from GSL Up and Down is one of the most recent examples I can think of. Oh and most MarineKing.Prime vs ST_Parting games also feature constant aggression too. Modern TvZ also relies on T harassing Z so they cannot get away with 3 bases+ and crazy droning. Many players make their name from aggressive drop play that stretch Z's multitasking to the limit, such as Slayers_MMA and FXO_Gumiho. Also, fighting between two ball of units does not mean you can put all units in one control group. Different units have different micro that they are needed so it's better to put units into smaller groups.
Right. You remind me that there's such a thing as smart cast in this game. You can simply assign a separate control group for each different unit type and use their abilities without having to single a unit out. So in SC2 everyone can look like Jangbi without the 15 hours of practice!
Multiple control groups may be allowed but the game simply does not reward high multitask. So far, every player who utilized drops or split his army into two or more groups have lost their games. I was so sure Jaedong was the better player in his ZvZ but his great play was wasted because he couldn't defend his opponent's giant ball desperation push despite the economic damage he dealt.
Simply put, multitask is allowed in this game and I'm sure many have won with it. It's just not as rewarding as in BW.
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On May 29 2012 17:10 AsianEcksDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 16:54 Veldril wrote:On May 29 2012 16:49 AsianEcksDragon wrote:On May 29 2012 16:32 Veldril wrote:On May 29 2012 16:30 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
Guide to Micro in SC2:
1)Select desired group of units to be used in battle
2) Ctrl + 1
3) 1a
Guide to Macro:
1) Select all production building.
2) Ctrl + (any number key 2-0)
3) Use Shift + (Same number key) to add more into the group
Congratulations! You are now a SC2 progamer! You know that's pretty much one of the easiest way to lose in SC2 with the "one control group syndrome" Actually, Bisu lost his first SC2 game because he put everything in one control group so he mismicroed his units and lost. I've yet to see an SC2 game not decided by one key battle between two big balls of units. In fact, it seems that whenever a player decides to get cute and utilize harassment or drop, they would get steamrolled by the other player's ball. There are many examples. ST_Ace vs BboongBboong.Prime from GSL Up and Down is one of the most recent examples I can think of. Oh and most MarineKing.Prime vs ST_Parting games also feature constant aggression too. Modern TvZ also relies on T harassing Z so they cannot get away with 3 bases+ and crazy droning. Many players make their name from aggressive drop play that stretch Z's multitasking to the limit, such as Slayers_MMA and FXO_Gumiho. Also, fighting between two ball of units does not mean you can put all units in one control group. Different units have different micro that they are needed so it's better to put units into smaller groups. Right. You remind me that there's such a thing as smart cast in this game. You can simply assign a separate control group for each different unit type and use their abilities without having to single a unit out. So in SC2 everyone can look like Jangbi without the 15 hours of practice! Multiple control groups may be allowed but the game simply does not reward high multitask. So far, every player who utilized drops or split his army into two or more groups have lost their games. I was so sure Jaedong was the better player in his ZvZ but his great play was wasted because he couldn't defend his opponent's giant ball desperation push despite the economic damage he dealt. Simply put, multitask is allowed in this game and I'm sure many have won with it. It's just not as rewarding as in BW.
That is why we are saying they are bad. Good SC2 players drop, and drop often. KeSPA players are not good SC2 players.
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Anyway good sc2 players cannot be good bw players  Happy that is still true today.
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Is it just me or are these guys improving at an insane rate xD They are much better than when i last seen them play
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