On March 24 2012 14:45 oogieogie wrote:
can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier?
can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier?
Inverse ramps, hard to take a third, hard to push toss bases. Probably other stuff too
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1981
On March 24 2012 14:45 oogieogie wrote: can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier? Inverse ramps, hard to take a third, hard to push toss bases. Probably other stuff too | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1982
If it doesn't, he'll be called a fool. | ||
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pencil-leads
Singapore404 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1983
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Motivate
2860 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1984
On March 24 2012 14:45 pylonsalad wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:43 Soft`Soap wrote: On March 24 2012 14:42 Scarecrow wrote: On March 24 2012 14:40 hacklebeast wrote: On March 24 2012 14:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: On March 24 2012 14:37 hacklebeast wrote: wow, I'm actually surprised by that one WTF why? outlier is not a map Flash would want to play on. Flash is so much better than stats. It's not as if outlier is a complete atrocity of a map that is impossible for terran. afaik a T has never won on outlier hasn't T been played once on outlier? Leta lost to Hoejja on Outlier on day 1 of CJ vs KT. Think about how much of an upset that is. hoejja, a zerg who is playing pretty well right now versus a terran well past his prime? not that much of an upset. still a bullshit map though i'll agree. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1985
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Soft`Soap
Canada865 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1986
On March 24 2012 14:45 pylonsalad wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:43 Soft`Soap wrote: On March 24 2012 14:42 Scarecrow wrote: On March 24 2012 14:40 hacklebeast wrote: On March 24 2012 14:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: On March 24 2012 14:37 hacklebeast wrote: wow, I'm actually surprised by that one WTF why? outlier is not a map Flash would want to play on. Flash is so much better than stats. It's not as if outlier is a complete atrocity of a map that is impossible for terran. afaik a T has never won on outlier hasn't T been played once on outlier? Leta lost to Hoejja on Outlier on day 2 of CJ vs KT. Think about how much of an upset that is. yeah that's the only t that i saw get played on that map lol but i guess there were a few more games | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
March 24 2012 05:46 GMT
#1987
On March 24 2012 14:46 neobowman wrote: If this works, KT coach will be called a genius. If it doesn't, he'll be called a fool. Welcome to the Internet. ![]() | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1988
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1989
On March 24 2012 14:46 Scarecrow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:45 oogieogie wrote: can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier? Inverse ramps, hard to take a third, hard to push toss bases. Probably other stuff too thanks. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1990
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Motivate
2860 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1991
On March 24 2012 14:46 Scarecrow wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:45 oogieogie wrote: can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier? Inverse ramps, hard to take a third, hard to push toss bases. Probably other stuff too ugh did the map makers learn nothing from aztec? reverse ramps are bullshit. last season we had aztec which was a pvp snooze fest, now we have outlier. yawn. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1992
Stats in white at 8 Neo Outlier | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1993
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1994
On March 24 2012 14:46 Motivate wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:45 pylonsalad wrote: On March 24 2012 14:43 Soft`Soap wrote: On March 24 2012 14:42 Scarecrow wrote: On March 24 2012 14:40 hacklebeast wrote: On March 24 2012 14:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: On March 24 2012 14:37 hacklebeast wrote: wow, I'm actually surprised by that one WTF why? outlier is not a map Flash would want to play on. Flash is so much better than stats. It's not as if outlier is a complete atrocity of a map that is impossible for terran. afaik a T has never won on outlier hasn't T been played once on outlier? Leta lost to Hoejja on Outlier on day 1 of CJ vs KT. Think about how much of an upset that is. hoejja, a zerg who is playing pretty well right now versus a terran well past his prime? not that much of an upset. still a bullshit map though i'll agree. wat TvZ elo 2182 vs ZvT elo 1931? Yeah, massive upset. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1995
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1996
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Zona
40426 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1997
On March 24 2012 14:47 Motivate wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:46 Scarecrow wrote: On March 24 2012 14:45 oogieogie wrote: can anyone describe why TvP is so bad for T on neo outlier? Inverse ramps, hard to take a third, hard to push toss bases. Probably other stuff too ugh did the map makers learn nothing from aztec? reverse ramps are bullshit. last season we had aztec which was a pvp snooze fest, now we have outlier. yawn. At this point I'm pretty sure that the overarching goal for PL map design isn't balance. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1998
On March 24 2012 14:42 ]343[ wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 14:40 hacklebeast wrote: On March 24 2012 14:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: On March 24 2012 14:37 hacklebeast wrote: wow, I'm actually surprised by that one WTF why? outlier is not a map Flash would want to play on. Flash is so much better than stats. It's not as if outlier is a complete atrocity of a map that is impossible for terran. Terran has been sent in 5/43 games on Outlier (winning 2, both vs Z, with 0 TvT), and 4/19 times on Neo Outlier (0-4 vs Z, with 0 TvT). It is indeed a "complete atrocity of a map that is impossible for terran." That just means that there are maps that are better. In the same way I would start stats over myself for an ace match whatever the map, I would start flash over stats. There is a point where you just can't ignore the differnce in skill, regardless of map. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
March 24 2012 05:47 GMT
#1999
edit- for pvt discussion on outlier | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50907 Posts
March 24 2012 05:48 GMT
#2000
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