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On February 10 2012 06:05 supernovamaniac wrote:I'm still quite iffy on using the Ladder system today, but other than that it was one of the most well-used system that I've seen to date. because back then, there were so many players in BW (because SC2 wasn't out) so they actually had to fight for the top spots to qualify for TSL. Look now: almost every top player is guaranteed to be seeded into ISL if they just spend time to ladder, which eliminates the fun. Might as well invite top 96 players without the ladder stage.
Wait wait...so you don't want every top player to play in ISL3?
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As suggested by Sayle, due to the repetition of the rules per round, the altered rules per round have been highlighted red for emphasis.
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I prefer the 7 qualifiers instead of the laddering. if someone is really good, for example Kashu. He s really good, but he's kinda busy, maybe not having time to play ladder, and reach high ranks in 4-5 weeks. In ladder you can play unlimited games, you can have more points than a better player of you. Anyway i don't think beetwen ladder qualification and qualifier tournaments we would get different top16 players.
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On February 10 2012 06:11 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:05 supernovamaniac wrote:On February 10 2012 06:01 Sayle wrote:
TSL2 system was god-tier IMO. I'm still quite iffy on using the Ladder system today, but other than that it was one of the most well-used system that I've seen to date. because back then, there were so many players in BW (because SC2 wasn't out) so they actually had to fight for the top spots to qualify for TSL. Look now: almost every top player is guaranteed to be seeded into ISL if they just spend time to ladder, which eliminates the fun. Might as well invite top 96 players without the ladder stage. Wait wait...so you don't want every top player to play in ISL3?
Not really, I call those an invitational.
Everyone should have a chance at qualifying in the tournaments, whether they're good or not. I think Ladder will only become an abusive way for top players to keep qualifying every single time, guaranteed (Unlike in the past where people actually had to fight for the top few spots, even if they were good).
It also allows people who don't play bw frequently (or don't have time to) to qualify while also keeping up with whatever they do irl.
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ace can u tell me the top16 pls?
btw ladder sistem was always better, but that doesnt deppends of us. that will choice sponsors
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Qualifiers are still better (slightly) than ladder imo
it was just the limit that kinda bothered me.. 
maybe make those tournaments 96 men ? 
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Good luck to all the players! Especially BEAMFACE. If he doesn't play I will be a sad panda sponsor.
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On February 10 2012 07:47 Sinedd wrote:Qualifiers are still better (slightly) than ladder imo it was just the limit that kinda bothered me.. maybe make those tournaments 96 men ?
as soon as you make 96 a power of 2!
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On February 10 2012 13:16 Jumperer wrote:
I think the best way to reduce variance is to make it double elimination. introduce a loser bracket like in defiler's tournament where it's bo1 and the bracket is flipped(you play players from the other side of the bracket)
where u bin?
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On February 10 2012 13:16 Jumperer wrote:
I think the best way to reduce variance is to make it double elimination. introduce a loser bracket like in defiler's tournament where it's bo1 and the bracket is flipped(you play players from the other side of the bracket)
thats a quite nice idea indeed
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I'm actually genuinely interested to see how the different format works! Experimentation is the best way to find out what's best, and just sticking to the same format every time means we might be missing something pretty entertaining. Give this a chance, guys- it could be great to update how we run these things. We just don't know yet!
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Well, we've done the same with GosuCup 2months ago, and are planning to do the same in the next one again.
Besides that, the loser bracket also includes alot of additional time.
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On February 10 2012 22:22 LML wrote:
Well, we've done the same with GosuCup 2months ago, and are planning to do the same in the next one again.
Besides that, the loser bracket also includes alot of additional time.
you've got a point there LML
I think it should stay like it is. Only change - maybe no limits for qualies.
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On February 10 2012 23:49 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 22:22 LML wrote:
Well, we've done the same with GosuCup 2months ago, and are planning to do the same in the next one again.
Besides that, the loser bracket also includes alot of additional time. you've got a point there LML I think it should stay like it is. Only change - maybe no limits for qualies.
yeah make limits its sstupid. there is not 600 players ..
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Altitude is an amazing game that I still play almost daily. When i saw this i had to double check it to see if I was reading it correctly.
Awesome news
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Gl to all who participate ! Thanks to LRM)Game for keeping bw alive, 2012 David keep the dream alive bud !
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On February 10 2012 06:43 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:11 Sayle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:05 supernovamaniac wrote:On February 10 2012 06:01 Sayle wrote:
TSL2 system was god-tier IMO. I'm still quite iffy on using the Ladder system today, but other than that it was one of the most well-used system that I've seen to date. because back then, there were so many players in BW (because SC2 wasn't out) so they actually had to fight for the top spots to qualify for TSL. Look now: almost every top player is guaranteed to be seeded into ISL if they just spend time to ladder, which eliminates the fun. Might as well invite top 96 players without the ladder stage. Wait wait...so you don't want every top player to play in ISL3? Not really, I call those an invitational. Everyone should have a chance at qualifying in the tournaments, whether they're good or not. I think Ladder will only become an abusive way for top players to keep qualifying every single time, guaranteed (Unlike in the past where people actually had to fight for the top few spots, even if they were good). It also allows people who don't play bw frequently (or don't have time to) to qualify while also keeping up with whatever they do irl.
In the current format, johny23 could qualify for the ISL3 if he got a lucky bracket.
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On February 11 2012 21:46 Sayle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:43 supernovamaniac wrote:On February 10 2012 06:11 Sayle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:05 supernovamaniac wrote:On February 10 2012 06:01 Sayle wrote:
TSL2 system was god-tier IMO. I'm still quite iffy on using the Ladder system today, but other than that it was one of the most well-used system that I've seen to date. because back then, there were so many players in BW (because SC2 wasn't out) so they actually had to fight for the top spots to qualify for TSL. Look now: almost every top player is guaranteed to be seeded into ISL if they just spend time to ladder, which eliminates the fun. Might as well invite top 96 players without the ladder stage. Wait wait...so you don't want every top player to play in ISL3? Not really, I call those an invitational. Everyone should have a chance at qualifying in the tournaments, whether they're good or not. I think Ladder will only become an abusive way for top players to keep qualifying every single time, guaranteed (Unlike in the past where people actually had to fight for the top few spots, even if they were good). It also allows people who don't play bw frequently (or don't have time to) to qualify while also keeping up with whatever they do irl. In the current format, johny23 could qualify for the ISL3 if he got a lucky bracket.
He could also qualify if he played 1000 ladder games, if it were ladder format.
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