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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
January 28 2012 15:48 GMT
#1141
On January 28 2012 23:48 Xiphos wrote:
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On January 28 2012 23:46 okum wrote:
Effort wasted a ton of money getting ~20 zerglings and burrow, accomplishing nothing with it. Since Effort didn't have mutas and lurkers weren't ready when Flash counterattacked, Flash was able to set up a contain and gain complete map control, which he held on to until Effort was basically starved out.


Sounds like Effort made TONS of mistakes....

His first mistake was to play against Flash. It could only go downhill from there
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
January 28 2012 16:02 GMT
#1142
I think in the whole game Flash was wisest in not trying to sacrifice map control to attempt to finish Effort quickly.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
ShadezOwnage
Profile Joined May 2010
184 Posts
January 28 2012 16:02 GMT
#1143
Flash attempted the quick kill with bio, but eventually got turned back - it was close at times.
Effort, when Flash switched to mech, simply got stuck in his base for the remainder of the match. I do not think there was really a "end battle" but Effort knew he couldnt get out and that Flash probably had every other base. I was actually pretty impressed with Efforts hidden base play and how he (relatively) was able to hold off the slow aggression at his main and natural.
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 16:17:52
January 28 2012 16:13 GMT
#1144
On January 29 2012 01:02 ShadezOwnage wrote:
Flash attempted the quick kill with bio, but eventually got turned back - it was close at times.
Effort, when Flash switched to mech, simply got stuck in his base for the remainder of the match. I do not think there was really a "end battle" but Effort knew he couldnt get out and that Flash probably had every other base. I was actually pretty impressed with Efforts hidden base play and how he (relatively) was able to hold off the slow aggression at his main and natural.
Yeah that messy battle where Flash lost 1+ group worth of marines while killing only 1 lurker and a few lings on the ridge outside Effort's natural because he couldn't wait for the Tanks to get into siege mode. I'm glad he decided to halt and keep containing instead of committing the rest of the marines in. The bio contain + map control allowed him to safely expand, reinforce the contain with a mech transition and eventually starved Effort. Without map control Effort couldn't see what was coming (mech) and could only hold on to his 4 bases (5 in the end but it was too late anyway) barely with swarms. Had Flash risked losing more marines to try to get a quick finish the situation might have turned out undesirable as Effort could have had an opening to regain map control.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
January 28 2012 18:16 GMT
#1145
I was absolutely sure that Mind was gonna lose that first game, but he played really well and came back to it.
dekarp
Profile Joined December 2011
286 Posts
January 28 2012 18:28 GMT
#1146
God vs Roswell was pretty intense, was a good game even though Effort got behind early.
https://dotabuff.com/players/110773298 divinereps on reddit.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 18:41:51
January 28 2012 18:35 GMT
#1147
On January 28 2012 23:46 okum wrote:
Effort wasted a ton of money getting ~20 zerglings and burrow, accomplishing nothing with it. Since Effort didn't have mutas and lurkers weren't ready when Flash counterattacked, Flash was able to set up a contain and gain complete map control, which he held on to until Effort was basically starved out.


I disagree. He may have wasted some money, but it looked to me like he was going for something similar as he did in game 3 of the KA OSL; mind game over real game.

Burrow>Force scans after faking like it's a Muta build>Less scans to deal with Lurkers>Spire to snipe SCi-vessels with scourge>Ultra fast hive to compensate for smaller numbers.

Awesome game. Too bad it didn't fly for the Messiah =\ His real mistake was not taking the nat instead of the main in the south, which slowed down his expanding by a touch.

Phenomenal reactions by Flash, feel like any other Terran would have fallen apart against something that cerebral.
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 28 2012 18:36 GMT
#1148
Rush... wtf, Zero twin
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
January 28 2012 18:39 GMT
#1149
On January 28 2012 23:47 Toadily wrote:
For those saying that if Stats loss was because of luck that Horang's loss would also be luck. There are huge differences in the two games.

For one Mind had seen Horang's army and where they were because of mines while Snow had no idea where Stats' army was at all and had just moved in at the best timing possible, whether you call that luck or not is up to you.

Second, Horang SAW all those goliaths and still didn't pull back for several seconds, costing him way more carriers than he should've lost while Stats pretty much instantly pulled back the moment those dragoons appeared and yet still wasn't fast enough.

While Stats could've definitely prevented it by not moving his shuttle at the same time as his other control groups as the shuttle is way faster, you can't say luck wasn't on Snow's side when he went in. But Horang just basically crumpled under the pressure after setting off all those mines and just wasn't paying attention at all.


At 14:49 you can clearly see that Snow's observer spotted Stats army trying to cross the bridge, being out of position, including the shuttle. What's this about Snow attacking blindly and luck being involved? That was great scouting and decision making.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
January 28 2012 19:58 GMT
#1150
On January 29 2012 03:35 Kimaker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 23:46 okum wrote:
Effort wasted a ton of money getting ~20 zerglings and burrow, accomplishing nothing with it. Since Effort didn't have mutas and lurkers weren't ready when Flash counterattacked, Flash was able to set up a contain and gain complete map control, which he held on to until Effort was basically starved out.


I disagree. He may have wasted some money, but it looked to me like he was going for something similar as he did in game 3 of the KA OSL; mind game over real game.

Burrow>Force scans after faking like it's a Muta build>Less scans to deal with Lurkers>Spire to snipe SCi-vessels with scourge>Ultra fast hive to compensate for smaller numbers.

Awesome game. Too bad it didn't fly for the Messiah =\ His real mistake was not taking the nat instead of the main in the south, which slowed down his expanding by a touch.

Phenomenal reactions by Flash, feel like any other Terran would have fallen apart against something that cerebral.


You can't mind-game Flash =P. Either way, wasting an in-game advantage for a mind-advantage isn't worth it, especially in a Bo1. Burrow scouting around the map wasn't a bad idea, but he was too far behind from the beginning on. Also, you shouldn't take the nat as a third. It's too hard to defend against MM balls. Main ramps can be defended with 2 lurkers.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
January 28 2012 20:50 GMT
#1151
On January 28 2012 20:25 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 14:48 Hyde wrote:
On January 28 2012 14:47 GTR wrote:
someone used a couple to semi-get a teamliquid sign on camera

Could it be Kona? He said he would be there today

yeah that was me lol OGN refused to take my cheerful :/

btw i took photos with jaehoon jaedong reach and flash and got their autographs

i feel so high

T__T

I never got Jaedong. T8 lost every game that I went to, so I never got a chance. I'm so jelly now
Writer:o
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 28 2012 22:12 GMT
#1152
Flash is a monster!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
DieterEilts
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany283 Posts
January 29 2012 00:42 GMT
#1153
looks like flash will never in his life lose a game again
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 02:21:15
January 29 2012 00:47 GMT
#1154
YAY KT!

F L A S H!

GG
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3616 Posts
January 29 2012 01:39 GMT
#1155
On January 29 2012 03:16 pred470r wrote:
I was absolutely sure that Mind was gonna lose that first game, but he played really well and came back to it.


Stat of the day: With that win Mind earned a 17-4 record (counting prelims) TvP over the last year. His losses: BeSt, Stork (x2), Kal. For those of you keeping track at home, that's over 80% wins.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
Toadily
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States837 Posts
January 29 2012 03:22 GMT
#1156
On January 29 2012 03:39 Jindo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 23:47 Toadily wrote:
For those saying that if Stats loss was because of luck that Horang's loss would also be luck. There are huge differences in the two games.

For one Mind had seen Horang's army and where they were because of mines while Snow had no idea where Stats' army was at all and had just moved in at the best timing possible, whether you call that luck or not is up to you.

Second, Horang SAW all those goliaths and still didn't pull back for several seconds, costing him way more carriers than he should've lost while Stats pretty much instantly pulled back the moment those dragoons appeared and yet still wasn't fast enough.

While Stats could've definitely prevented it by not moving his shuttle at the same time as his other control groups as the shuttle is way faster, you can't say luck wasn't on Snow's side when he went in. But Horang just basically crumpled under the pressure after setting off all those mines and just wasn't paying attention at all.


At 14:49 you can clearly see that Snow's observer spotted Stats army trying to cross the bridge, being out of position, including the shuttle. What's this about Snow attacking blindly and luck being involved? That was great scouting and decision making.


That observer had JUST arrived there because he was coming in for the attack, it was obviously great decision making and I'm not trying to downplay Snow's play that game.
crazeh
Profile Joined August 2010
91 Posts
January 29 2012 10:12 GMT
#1157
Effort just had an off day

Hopefully Flash gets fed to Effort in an individual league.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
January 29 2012 10:40 GMT
#1158
the only intrigue in bw scene is will flash ever lose.
Its grack
Ermac
Profile Joined June 2011
336 Posts
January 29 2012 12:00 GMT
#1159
On January 28 2012 20:40 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 20:38 hellbound wrote:
On January 28 2012 16:54 krissless wrote:
On January 28 2012 16:36 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On January 28 2012 16:35 lexpoa wrote:
On January 28 2012 16:33 GTR wrote:
loses two vessels to scourge? is this really flash?


Yeah. I don't think I can call Flash S-class anymore.


lol this joke.


Flash is now G-class ( God )


This joke has gotten really old, might want to drop it at some point, you know?

audience after watching flash's game:
"how do you win that?"
"ridiculous"
"he really is god"


Wish I would have been there...

If Flash really succeeds in getting the 100% win rate, they should make a movie about him. This is so crazy... You can't help thinking that it's impossible to achieve a 100% win rate, but what's even crazier is that if you think about it some more... you don't put it past him to actually do it.
"Blind aggressiveness would destroy the attack itself, not the defense." - Carl von Clausewitz
WaterTower
Profile Joined May 2011
France138 Posts
January 29 2012 12:22 GMT
#1160
Wow, Flash makes TvZ look imba. Pretty much Effort did everything he could, and didn't even come close. Flash had the game under his control the entire time. Flash pretty much laughs off dark swarms and plagues and ignores mutas and lings. Flash is the only player of any race atm who can manage a 60-70 worker economy as smoothly as a cup of cappuaccino while fighting massive battles at the same time.

I fear FvJ now. I fear for the Dong.
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