• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:16
CEST 04:16
KST 11:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters5[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244
Community News
Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?85Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20)9Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over3New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery!42Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week6
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game SC4ALL: II Winner Will Earn a Spot at HSC 30! Weekly Cups (August 24-30): Patches' balance mod takes over September World Ranking: herO leads, Serral climbs
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly SC2 INu's Battles#20 [BO.9]
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 542 The Ascended Mutation # 541 Binary Choice The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 540 Dodge This
Brood War
General
[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon?
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro16 Group A [ASL22] Ro24 Group F [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Replay Review Process - What do you do? Game Theory for Starcraft Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV EVE Corporation [Maplestory Hardcore] Let's Play~!! General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
F* the Children and Get Off …
TrAiDoS
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Regacy Esports: The Bh…
regacyesports
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7327 users

sGs C Ranks Open - Page 18

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 45 Next All
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 00:24 GMT
#341
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 00:26 GMT
#342
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 00:31:28
January 28 2012 00:31 GMT
#343
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.
Supremacy
Profile Joined March 2011
United States42 Posts
January 28 2012 00:32 GMT
#344
Kiante,Noise[AoV],SnipinPanda please check iccup msg.

since im too lazy to pm in tl
i need to set the dates for our matches

p.s TvZ on Desti.... this is really sad
Good Luck Enabled
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 00:42 GMT
#345
PvP PvT RvZ.


There's my three match ups for everyone to see. So everyone can prepare now. Per reading the thread RvZ is fair because I have to prepare for three different match ups and so does my opponent.

Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10363 Posts
January 28 2012 00:53 GMT
#346
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 01:03:34
January 28 2012 01:00 GMT
#347
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:13 GMT
#348
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.



\

How about instead of trying to nit-pick things to prove I am wrong you actually address my macro point?


You never addressed how it's damaging to my opponent when he will know my race the second I know I am playing him. Yet you have no problem limiting what match ups I can play later in the name of "fairness"

Also you never addressed how it's "fair" to limit players to watch match ups they can and can't play. IE: Either play ZvP or TvP or PvP choose now and you can never change regardless of your opponent.

Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10363 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 01:15:42
January 28 2012 01:13 GMT
#349
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:17 GMT
#350
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.




My accusation was that you were someone who wouldn't be effected by the having to choose your match ups. Why would I argue against you and then accuse you of being in the same boat as me. Even if I stated something incorrectly it should be fairly obvious by your biased slant that you only play one race
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:20 GMT
#351
On January 28 2012 10:17 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.




My accusation was that you were someone who wouldn't be effected by the having to choose your match ups. Why would I argue against you and then accuse you of being in the same boat as me. Even if I stated something incorrectly it should be fairly obvious by your biased slant that you only play one race




It's very ironic and funny that I used the incorrect word. However, something you don't understand is that it doesn't really change the fact of what I stated. You knew what I meant and what I said still stands. You're only trying to use it to lessen my point without addressing it.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 28 2012 01:20 GMT
#352
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:22 GMT
#353
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry.



You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10363 Posts
January 28 2012 01:26 GMT
#354
On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
[quote]


You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.

You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.

Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.

No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.

Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.

Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:28 GMT
#355
On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
[quote]
No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either

a) has no objective sense of fairness

or

b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).

Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).



You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.

Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.

Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.



Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise.

It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 01:34 GMT
#356
Talk about assumptions. That's all you people do. Call me a smurf ( when I have more games then 75%+ players on my account) and call me a cheeser.


Get real.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 28 2012 02:00 GMT
#357
On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
[quote]


You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.

Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.

Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.



Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise.

It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.


Heaven forbid you just say "I'm playing PvZ" and play.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
johny23
Profile Joined January 2012
United States175 Posts
January 28 2012 02:04 GMT
#358
On January 28 2012 11:00 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
[quote]



So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.

Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.

Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.



Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise.

It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.


Heaven forbid you just say "I'm playing PvZ" and play.



Heaven forbid you comprehend that this is a strategy game. Heaven forbid you comprehend that being able to play more then one race "should" be a benefit. Heaven forbid that you just maybe don't applaud having restrictions placed on players. Heaven forbid that you learn to play the game without having someone tell you their race in advance so you can go write down your pro-gaming builds. Heaven forbid that you understand that picking different races vs different people is a "strategy" and that race vs race in this game can be a "strategy" that you use in a "Strategy game".
fold
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia665 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 02:16:55
January 28 2012 02:14 GMT
#359
On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
[quote]


You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.

So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?

It makes no sense




So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.




I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.

Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).

Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal




What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.

You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.

If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.


EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.

1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.

2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:

"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."

I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.

3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.

In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.


I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.



Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?

That's a really interesting perspective.

Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.

Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.



Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise.

It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.

It's just annoying when you play as protoss and you have to 1 base against zerg or you scout protoss last and you've already gone core and they're 2 gate zealoting. You're announcing the race you're playing when you're RvZing right? Then it should be no problem and I don't know why there's 5 pages of this -.-

Edit: Thanks to Group A for replying, see you all tomorrow.
t.t
Shimy
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States771 Posts
January 28 2012 02:18 GMT
#360
Holy crap. What the heck you guys? PvP RvZ PvT are his races as he has PM'd me and they are now in the OP. Please stop posting about this crap johny. Someone start posting something else lol
Eywa-: "What would it take in order for there to be an upset?" Largo: "The players of sas got cancer and died, what else could happen?"
Prev 1 16 17 18 19 20 45 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #20
CranKy Ducklings129
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft280
RuFF_SC2 163
ProTech28
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2587
GuemChi 1958
Hm[arnc] 69
Yoon 10
NaDa 9
Noble 5
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm176
febbydoto55
League of Legends
Doublelift4856
JimRising 812
Counter-Strike
taco 279
minikerr52
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox478
Other Games
summit1g16658
C9.Mang0279
XaKoH 116
Maynarde110
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2332
BasetradeTV69
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP148
• davetesta51
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22162
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
7h 45m
Soma vs Shuttle
BeSt vs Rush
WardiTV Weekly
8h 45m
Monday Night Weeklies
13h 45m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 7h
Leta vs ggaemo
Jaedong vs Queen
GSL
1d 8h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 21h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
KCM Race Survival
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-02
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
RSL Revival: Season 6
Calamity Invitational
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: King of Kings
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
SC4ALL II: Brood War
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.