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On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow).
You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.
So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?
It makes no sense
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On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense
So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.
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On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.
I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.
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Kiante,Noise[AoV],SnipinPanda please check iccup msg.
since im too lazy to pm in tl
i need to set the dates for our matches
p.s TvZ on Desti.... this is really sad
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PvP PvT RvZ.
There's my three match ups for everyone to see. So everyone can prepare now. Per reading the thread RvZ is fair because I have to prepare for three different match ups and so does my opponent.
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On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal.
Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above).
Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal
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On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal
What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions.
You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd.
If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus.
EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.
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On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.
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How about instead of trying to nit-pick things to prove I am wrong you actually address my macro point?
You never addressed how it's damaging to my opponent when he will know my race the second I know I am playing him. Yet you have no problem limiting what match ups I can play later in the name of "fairness"
Also you never addressed how it's "fair" to limit players to watch match ups they can and can't play. IE: Either play ZvP or TvP or PvP choose now and you can never change regardless of your opponent.
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On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage.
1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read.
2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony:
"Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal."
I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on.
3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal.
In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.
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On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.
My accusation was that you were someone who wouldn't be effected by the having to choose your match ups. Why would I argue against you and then accuse you of being in the same boat as me. Even if I stated something incorrectly it should be fairly obvious by your biased slant that you only play one race
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On January 28 2012 10:17 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. My accusation was that you were someone who wouldn't be effected by the having to choose your match ups. Why would I argue against you and then accuse you of being in the same boat as me. Even if I stated something incorrectly it should be fairly obvious by your biased slant that you only play one race
It's very ironic and funny that I used the incorrect word. However, something you don't understand is that it doesn't really change the fact of what I stated. You knew what I meant and what I said still stands. You're only trying to use it to lessen my point without addressing it.
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On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament.
I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.
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On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:05 Jealous wrote:
EDIT: I give up, sorry. You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others. You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups. Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage. No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game.
Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct?
That's a really interesting perspective.
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On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:12 johny23 wrote:
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You failed to realize there's two sides of the argument which I was waiting for you to do. This is why you get grouped in with the others.
You either think or act like the only "right" and "fair" decision is to obviously make multi-race players pre-pick their match ups.
Never once did you acknowledge the point of restrictions being placed on the multi-race players. I did however state that there's more single race players therefore it makes sense that the majority won and they get the advantage.
No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either a) has no objective sense of fairness or b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?). Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game. Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct? That's a really interesting perspective.
Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate.
Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.
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On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:21 Jealous wrote:
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No, I failed to realize that I was dealing with a person who either
a) has no objective sense of fairness
or
b) has no ability to understand math (1 week of prep time is more than 6 days of prep time, 24 hours is more than 20, and timezones also come into play... also, what would be the cut-off point at which you would be DQ'd for not sending your race pick on time? is that up to you to decide as well?).
Although, I guess it's my fault for not realizing this after you decided that your made-up builds were better than pro builds and that it's anything but socially abhorrent to come into a thread just to cry about rules that you CHOSE to follow (as in, no one forced you to follow). You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts. So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance? It makes no sense So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game. Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct? That's a really interesting perspective. Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate. Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots.
Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise.
It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.
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Talk about assumptions. That's all you people do. Call me a smurf ( when I have more games then 75%+ players on my account) and call me a cheeser.
Get real.
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On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
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You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.
So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?
It makes no sense
So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game. Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct? That's a really interesting perspective. Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate. Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots. Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise. It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.
Heaven forbid you just say "I'm playing PvZ" and play.
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On January 28 2012 11:00 ninazerg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:
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So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage.
I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game. Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct? That's a really interesting perspective. Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate. Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots. Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise. It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own. Heaven forbid you just say "I'm playing PvZ" and play.
Heaven forbid you comprehend that this is a strategy game. Heaven forbid you comprehend that being able to play more then one race "should" be a benefit. Heaven forbid that you just maybe don't applaud having restrictions placed on players. Heaven forbid that you learn to play the game without having someone tell you their race in advance so you can go write down your pro-gaming builds. Heaven forbid that you understand that picking different races vs different people is a "strategy" and that race vs race in this game can be a "strategy" that you use in a "Strategy game".
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On January 28 2012 10:28 johny23 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 10:26 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:22 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 10:20 ninazerg wrote:On January 28 2012 10:13 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 10:00 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:53 Jealous wrote:On January 28 2012 09:31 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:26 johny23 wrote:On January 28 2012 09:24 johny23 wrote:
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You try to nit-pick to get around my point. Ok so however much of prep time there is for pre-tourny brackets doesnt change the fact that you only have 24 hour before ro16 starts and without a doubt only 24 hour before ro8 starts.
So you're trying to tell me that it's going to effect someone not knowing my race in advance when they won't even know their playing me until max 24 hours in advance?
It makes no sense
So if PM'ed my opponent the second I knew who I was facing it would LITERALLY change NOTHING because they had no clue they were playing me until then anyways. Sorry but theres no rebuttal for this it's brutally clear that your logic makes no sense of how I will have an unfair advantage. I would send my race pick immediately after knowing my opponent. I am sorry that you assume iam like you and your gang and would with-hold the information to try and get an adjust advantage. Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal. Why did you not say this when I asked you earlier (I can reference the post, if you like)? This whole time I (and others) were under the impression that you would just pick whenever you felt like it, after thinking about it or watching their replays or something. I also love how you accuse me of this act, even though I don't even have the option (and never did, in any tournament). On top of which, I have been berating you for the fact that you might do this during our conversation, how can you assume I would do it despite my arguing against it? Ridiculous. Your lack of logic is only paralleled by your laughably pompous approach to both argument and spelling (bold, above). Hint: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/principal What are you talking about dude. Can you please just be quiet. You don't even understand the concept of restrictions. As far as my spelling I don't see where I misspelled much and even If I did its bound to happen after 10+ post of trying to explain to you the concept of restrictions vs non-restrictions. You refuse to acknowledge (or don't understand) how it's restricting. Also it's no more or less fair to force someone to pick match ups the entire tourney then it is to let someone play what race they want vs who they want. That's absurd. If you can't even see the other side of the argument then please stop arguing. Jesus. EDIT: I assume you would do it because you're assuming I would do it. How else could you argue against me wanting to pick certain races vs certain players without assuming I would withhold information. Otherwise they would know my race as soon as I knew who was I playing(unless I tried to get an "unjust" advantage. 1) You did not answer my question earlier, which asked "When will you let the other person know your race?" From this I assumed that you have no standard for this and would just do it whenever. This was obviously incorrect, something I learned now. I have no reason to argue with you any longer. Which is exactly what I said in the post you just quoted, and apparently did not read. 2) I understand what restrictions are. Do you understand what a principal is? It's a person who runs a school. The reason I pointed it out is because of the irony: "Apparently you lied and don't know anything of the word principal." I am simply baffled that anyone can write this in earnest. The best part is that it isn't even the first time you've written the word incorrectly and it's been commented on. 3) This all leads me to the conclusion that not only do you try to end arguments by accusing others of a lack of understanding of words or simple concepts (after failing to answer their questions which would resolve the whole issue, no less), but you also don't read what is written back to you, or don't understand it. The irony is unreal. In response to your EDIT, I will reiterate that you did not answer my question in the past, so I had the right to assumption due to your pointed lack of response. I did not realize I was dealing with a person who doesn't read posts they replied to. Sorry for that. Your assumption, however, is completely invalid because I play Protoss, and therefore will never and have never been in your predicament. I never argue with "race-pickers" or "random" people out of... uh... principle... because they have a weird superiority complex / they're deeply afraid that if they lose their element of surprise, they'll have to play a fair game. Impressive coming from someone who only plays one race. So it's your opinion that I should have no advantage for knowing how to play all three races correct? That's a really interesting perspective. Okay man it's time to finally burst your bubble: I am pretty sure most people in this tournament know how to BBS, 4 pool, and proxy 2 gate. Oh wait, I forgot you make your own builds, so lets make it BBS with 1 extra SCV from the mineral line, drone along with the lings in 4 pool, and a probe with your zealots. Nono Nina is right. Since Random isn't played in the korean prof scene and because 90% of people on iccup wet themselves if they don't know their opponents race then we should without a doubt place restrictions on them and say they have a superiority complex and deeply afraid of losing element of suprise. It has nothing to do that players can't adapt vs Random users because like you said all the known builds are already figured out for them in "X vs X" and heaven forbid they have to make up their own.
It's just annoying when you play as protoss and you have to 1 base against zerg or you scout protoss last and you've already gone core and they're 2 gate zealoting. You're announcing the race you're playing when you're RvZing right? Then it should be no problem and I don't know why there's 5 pages of this -.-
Edit: Thanks to Group A for replying, see you all tomorrow.
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Holy crap. What the heck you guys? PvP RvZ PvT are his races as he has PM'd me and they are now in the OP. Please stop posting about this crap johny. Someone start posting something else lol
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