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A new ladder has arisen in the past 5 months or so. Already in its 4th seasons Vile Gaming Tour is popular in the community of both money mapers and regular gamers...
Go to this URL for the full interview that GosuGamers.net did with the founder of VGT, Spartan.
http://www.gosugamers.net/news.php?id=2781
VGT is a ladder primarily based on West that is starting its 4th season. If you're a west player please check it out!
Channel: Op Vile on USWest Page: http://nk.ssxh.net/index.php
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a ladder full of newb hackers
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Sounds very cool, I will check it out.(no im not)
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On July 27 2005 23:58 Romanticide wrote: a ladder full of newb hackers
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they get an launcher soon
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i'm going to check it out soon oo
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Sweden33719 Posts
A money map ladder sounds really fun. I just wish there was a 3:3 ladder somewhere TT There's no 3:3 ladders anywhere
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It's gonna have a high money ladder and a separate low money one.
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On July 28 2005 04:19 FrozenArbiter wrote:A money map ladder sounds really fun. I just wish there was a 3:3 ladder somewhere TT There's no 3:3 ladders anywhere 
3v3@Hunters wanna :D?! that fucking ownz.
The Funny thing about the website, is that, the Ladder is a Starcraft one, and the design is totally War3tish.
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On July 28 2005 04:19 FrozenArbiter wrote:A money map ladder sounds really fun. I just wish there was a 3:3 ladder somewhere TT There's no 3:3 ladders anywhere 
If there was some way to do 4v4 BGH on that ladder, I'd shit my pants. That would be sooooo much fun.
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yes... now all we need is a 7v1 comp stomp ladder...
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On July 28 2005 07:43 StarN wrote: yes... now all we need is a 7v1 comp stomp ladder... and a bs ladder
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On July 28 2005 07:36 SaNteria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2005 04:19 FrozenArbiter wrote:A money map ladder sounds really fun. I just wish there was a 3:3 ladder somewhere TT There's no 3:3 ladders anywhere  If there was some way to do 4v4 BGH on that ladder, I'd shit my pants. That would be sooooo much fun. Although you may not be able to do it on the vile tour, there is a 3v3 bgh league
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congrats IA-NewB i saw that you were number 1 yesterday, i didnt liik today though
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Some people have a hard time grasping that BW still is, and always will be nothing more than a game to most people. Hence, as a game it is required to be fun. I get bored of 1v1 games pretty quickly when the variety starts to disappear, and usually the best cure for this is rounding up some people for some massive BGH action and going mass Dark Archons or Queens. Fun shit like this is half of the reason I still play this game.
I dunno, this ladder looks like it could be fun. I don't imagine I'd touch the money section of it until they get me some of that 4v4 BGH I crave oh so much, but since I'm on west anyways and too damn lazy to log onto Europe, I may as well hit up the low ladder.
Ladders are ladders - I don't enjoy any of them, but at least this caters to my lazy self.
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If you're on west then it's really worth the minute it takes to make an account.
You report games on the website, submitting a replay which is reviewed with BWChart (and watched manually if suspicious or a complaint made).
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I think people are critizing to much simply because its a new ladder. The guy running it, Spartan, appears to be making huge attempts to modify and adjust it to what the community is looking for. Who cares if its got a money section, you don't have to play it as they have a low ladder. Also if BWScanner is working, ask your opponent to use it. That and they are trying to come up with a launcher.
Not only that but the alternative is WGT or Gamei, WGT doesn't really count as their ladder is fucked anyway.
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Does Day play in this? Someone mentioned beating Day 3-0, but maybe someone diffrent.
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i think they meant some fastest player edit: #1 on fastest ladder is day.youownthx or something
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that asshole isn't #1 for shit
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On July 28 2005 16:50 Theory wrote: I think people are critizing to much simply because its a new ladder. The guy running it, Spartan, appears to be making huge attempts to modify and adjust it to what the community is looking for. Who cares if its got a money section, you don't have to play it as they have a low ladder. Also if BWScanner is working, ask your opponent to use it. That and they are trying to come up with a launcher.
Not only that but the alternative is WGT or Gamei, WGT doesn't really count as their ladder is fucked anyway.
Thanks =)
Yes, spartan is working hard. We are right now working on a new map pack for the low ladder which will include currently popular maps in the progaming scene along with some classics. Spartan is also creating a launcher which will solve the problem of hacking and reporting the games.
We have added nearly 300 new members since season 4 started. While we still have a way to go, if people continue to join up and play at this rate we will have a very solid ladder for everyone to enjoy on west.
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As much as I support other ladders and what not, with the news from PolyGon that Pat is saying a lot of work will be needed when the PGT site comes back up... if PGT comes back up, VGT, WGT, and Game-I are gonna have some serious issues.
PGT has bar far set the standard for which this community and a ladder should operate ^^
Until then, gl to VGT tho.
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Ill get my clanmates to sign up
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Kaos billy just told me that indeed IA-NewB is you~~!!! we have revive the old ~ZC~ clan man ^^ made the IA guys change tag to ~ZC~ kekes
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he's 0-1 O_o is it the real nony?
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I should register. I'm sure I'll be up there with players like nony (who's wayyy better than I am, but hey, look at who we're up against T_t).
On second thought, I'm too lazy. Good luck with the ladder, I'm sure it'll be very fun
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IA-Newb is a community builder, solid gamer, and one hell of a nice guy. I just wish he wasn't given the task of defending a ladder system with FMP as an official map and with no anti-hack measures in place.
As soon as the $$$ is taken out I'm all over that ladder, though. I've always been a West gamer and probably always will be (with the occasional foray into Europe for WGT and private servers for other ladders). VGT, or as it is called now BattleGround Ladder, needs to stop making a fool of itself with the money ladder ^^; Then all the players I've talked to who laugh at the FMP in the official map section will join en masse.
It was good of you to tell us about VGT IA-Newb, but I have to keep pushing for no $$$. I've made contact with some of the regular clans on west and they don't like the fact that it has FMP either.
Give VGT a chance to thrive: low money only!
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On August 02 2005 00:16 nova_442 wrote: [anti FMP]
Give VGT a chance to thrive: low money only!
I was under the impression there are two sections, and FMP is only a map in one of them?
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nova get the fuck out. You dont like their ladder? stay away from it.
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IntoTheWow shut the fuck up. You don't like what I have to say? Stay away from it.
@HnR)Insane yes there are two sections. And the reason why almost every gamer on West I've talked to about VGT will not play is not that it's new, not that there's no hack protection. It's that they have a MONEY LADDER. They see FMP in the official map list, laugh, and return to their clans. IA-Newb was telling me the idea of VGT is to bring the clans together, to have one channel where all the best gamers on West can meet for games like x17. Right now they're not doing that because of FMP. Which is why I believe VGT will have more credibility and have a better chance at sucess in low money only.
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Let them play fastest player what they want, stay away from this man and his ladder decisions and please try not to be bm in their forums.
fucktard.
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On July 28 2005 16:50 Theory wrote: I think people are critizing to much simply because its a new ladder. The guy running it, Spartan, appears to be making huge attempts to modify and adjust it to what the community is looking for. Who cares if its got a money section, you don't have to play it as they have a low ladder. Also if BWScanner is working, ask your opponent to use it. That and they are trying to come up with a launcher.
Not only that but the alternative is WGT or Gamei, WGT doesn't really count as their ladder is fucked anyway.
sure thats why he use the wgt contents and isn´t even able to write own rules
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On August 02 2005 00:16 nova_442 wrote:IA-Newb is a community builder, solid gamer, and one hell of a nice guy. I just wish he wasn't given the task of defending a ladder system with FMP as an official map and with no anti-hack measures in place. As soon as the $$$ is taken out I'm all over that ladder, though. I've always been a West gamer and probably always will be (with the occasional foray into Europe for WGT and private servers for other ladders). VGT, or as it is called now BattleGround Ladder, needs to stop making a fool of itself with the money ladder ^^; Then all the players I've talked to who laugh at the FMP in the official map section will join en masse. It was good of you to tell us about VGT IA-Newb, but I have to keep pushing for no $$$. I've made contact with some of the regular clans on west and they don't like the fact that it has FMP either. Give VGT a chance to thrive: low money only! If they won't join because there's also a ladder for money mappers, then they are idiots  Hell, I wouldn't even mind playing in a money map ladder just to relax (especially if you added 3:3 hint hint).
I will, however, most likely not play in this ladder but for other reasons ^_^
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it is a good ladder so u realy got to check it out
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FMP ( high ladder ) and normal games ( Low ladder ) are seperated as much as possible if u ask me
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the level is pretty low there so it makes it very fun
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ok I tried to register, but I never got an activation email when I try password recovery I get a message that says that my account is not activated  my acc name:8882
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I like how the website stole a ton of buttons from www.worldofwarcraft.com.
Check it out look at "Log In" and other buttons, it's kind of funny.
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LOl
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OMG
*jumps off a balcony*
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Wow the stuff I see in the forums is so terrible. Especially the "strategy" forum? What the fuck is with that guy that gives his godly PvT advice? I mean I appreciate his effort into putting together something, but seriously, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't post it.
EDIT: Here is an example. This is actually above average in terms of skill.
When asked "what strats do you do in pvt?" this person responds
"i go a 3 cannon choke to hold rine rush then tech right to storm, which is followed by a 5 reaver recall and a speed z mass".
Nice strategy.
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yeah i started this ladder 2 days ago and im 17-0 and currently ranked #2 on the ladder. i will be first to actually testify (having tried it) that the level is extremely low and game-i gets you much better games. Its also very abusable and sort of a pain to report ur games. There is no way of checking if the player is actually registered on the site or to find out how high he is in the ladder except for having to check it manually urself (once again, kind of a pain) and there is no anti-hack in force on the ladder T.T
With that being said, its about 2x more mannered then game-i and about 50x more mannered then wgt and I rely like the admin team alot (very friendly) which imo makes it funner then the other two ladders but whenever i want to get into shape or want some serious practice, I will not be playing this ladder. I personally would like to see this ladder get alot better but that would require the money part of the ladder being taken out of the website and i do not think people like Spartan are redy to do that. Wherever this ladder goes, good luck to it.
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I just checked the ladder...
I won't be getting any better. I already posted in a "PvT guidelines" topic (it's sticky on the tips/tricks/strategy board, which I strongly recommend against going to) under my name (it's an anagram ). Some of my information may be wrong though (just timing wise), but it's much much better than the guide there. And it's just off the top of my head. If anyone knows me they'll know I can't play Protoss to save my life (except against randomkorean, where my 4 gate before robo mass zealot style seemed to work against his Terran XD).
Anyway, I'm really not going to be participating anymore. I expected to get _better_ at Starcraft, and with someone like summer[em] as number one, I can't really expect to improve a whole lot T_t
I do appreciate the effort Spartan and the rest of the admins there have done. It's nice seeing a ladder where people of all skill levels (ok, mostly beginners) can train. I would have loved something like this when I first started out.
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I'd own this ladder up too easily.
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On August 02 2005 19:01 Empyrean wrote: Wow the stuff I see in the forums is so terrible. Especially the "strategy" forum? What the fuck is with that guy that gives his godly PvT advice? I mean I appreciate his effort into putting together something, but seriously, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't post it.
EDIT: Here is an example. This is actually above average in terms of skill.
When asked "what strats do you do in pvt?" this person responds
"i go a 3 cannon choke to hold rine rush then tech right to storm, which is followed by a 5 reaver recall and a speed z mass".
Nice strategy.
Do you play money maps? If not, how are you familiar with the strategies that work on them? I thought teamliquid was entirely low money Broodwar, so I am surprised to see somebody critique money-map based strategy.
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On August 02 2005 19:01 Empyrean wrote: Wow the stuff I see in the forums is so terrible. Especially the "strategy" forum? What the fuck is with that guy that gives his godly PvT advice? I mean I appreciate his effort into putting together something, but seriously, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't post it.
EDIT: Here is an example. This is actually above average in terms of skill.
When asked "what strats do you do in pvt?" this person responds
"i go a 3 cannon choke to hold rine rush then tech right to storm, which is followed by a 5 reaver recall and a speed z mass".
Nice strategy.
actually the economy and build orders of money map games are very different because the cash flow is much, much faster
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On August 03 2005 03:39 NubainMuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2005 19:01 Empyrean wrote: Wow the stuff I see in the forums is so terrible. Especially the "strategy" forum? What the fuck is with that guy that gives his godly PvT advice? I mean I appreciate his effort into putting together something, but seriously, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't post it.
EDIT: Here is an example. This is actually above average in terms of skill.
When asked "what strats do you do in pvt?" this person responds
"i go a 3 cannon choke to hold rine rush then tech right to storm, which is followed by a 5 reaver recall and a speed z mass".
Nice strategy. Do you play money maps? If not, how are you familiar with the strategies that work on them? I thought teamliquid was entirely low money Broodwar, so I am surprised to see somebody critique money-map based strategy.
the guy ur talkin about isnt talking about money maps  ( but actually the strat works pretty well on money maps )
but ye the level of the ladder isnt that high yet season 4 had alot of changes etc and theres enough todo but if everyone is like i wont play it since its low then it never gets good players  got to start somewhere right? and there are pretty good players playing it u just got to find the right players
So if everyone comes and try it out a couple of times im sure ull like it
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On August 02 2005 13:39 KiLLme1st wrote:I like how the website stole a ton of buttons from www.worldofwarcraft.com. Check it out look at "Log In" and other buttons, it's kind of funny. Hey wow, you're right! I guess they don't realize that those images are *copyrighted* and they most likely have no permission to use them...Wonder how happy blizzard would be to see that. I'm not going to be an ass and report it, but I'd suggest they get their own images ASAP.
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On August 03 2005 08:16 8882 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2005 19:01 Empyrean wrote: Wow the stuff I see in the forums is so terrible. Especially the "strategy" forum? What the fuck is with that guy that gives his godly PvT advice? I mean I appreciate his effort into putting together something, but seriously, if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, don't post it.
EDIT: Here is an example. This is actually above average in terms of skill.
When asked "what strats do you do in pvt?" this person responds
"i go a 3 cannon choke to hold rine rush then tech right to storm, which is followed by a 5 reaver recall and a speed z mass".
Nice strategy. actually the economy and build orders of money map games are very different because the cash flow is much, much faster
I'm pretty sure he was being serious like on a non-money map.
And I know money maps have different build orders. Like double Nexus to get better gas flow etc.
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why would he be talking about a non money map? if you check the threadmakers profile he's 17-12 in fastest and 0-2 in low money, take a guess which he's talking about
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G5,how are you in second with a record of 17-0 and the number 1 guy is 17-4?
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No offense but alot of you are very ignorant of money maps. Also many players who play money maps are average-good ,some very good, plyers on non money. I myself have never lost any game on a money map to someone who plays non money.
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On August 03 2005 14:08 tec27 wrote:Hey wow, you're right! I guess they don't realize that those images are *copyrighted* and they most likely have no permission to use them...Wonder how happy blizzard would be to see that. I'm not going to be an ass and report it, but I'd suggest they get their own images ASAP.
yo show me how to report, id love to b dat ass -,- btw is vgt site gone?
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On August 03 2005 15:28 tuesday wrote: G5,how are you in second with a record of 17-0 and the number 1 guy is 17-4?
Maybe because the first guy went 17-4 vs better ranked people.
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On August 02 2005 17:42 NonY wrote: yea i lost a game
Yea i think it was vs me, you were complaining about lag or somethin, dont remember.
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On August 02 2005 19:04 G5 wrote: yeah i started this ladder 2 days ago and im 17-0 and currently ranked #2 on the ladder. i will be first to actually testify (having tried it) that the level is extremely low and game-i gets you much better games. Its also very abusable and sort of a pain to report ur games. There is no way of checking if the player is actually registered on the site or to find out how high he is in the ladder except for having to check it manually urself (once again, kind of a pain) and there is no anti-hack in force on the ladder T.T
With that being said, its about 2x more mannered then game-i and about 50x more mannered then wgt and I rely like the admin team alot (very friendly) which imo makes it funner then the other two ladders but whenever i want to get into shape or want some serious practice, I will not be playing this ladder. I personally would like to see this ladder get alot better but that would require the money part of the ladder being taken out of the website and i do not think people like Spartan are redy to do that. Wherever this ladder goes, good luck to it. Eh, how is gamei bm ;p? Disconnects maybe, can't think of anything else!
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I've gotten bmed few on gamei, but last game i played the guy called me a hacker, and said I was bm which was funny since I didn't even talk to him :O
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it's quite bm to hack, wouldn't you say?
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