On December 21 2011 17:48 Release wrote: JvZ got the momentum going and MBC just drops dead.
Oh quit this crap, Stork and Jangbi in two of their best match-ups. Brave pulling some retarded cheese that could get just about anyone
Are you telling me you honestly believe that Baby or Killer could take on Stork or Jangbi in-form?
if they were in-form? sure. baby has phenomenally abusive TvP when he's playing well and killer is a top zerg talent.
Baby is good but against the two best PvTers? Baby can't even beat Bisu using carriers and you expect him to beat two PvTers better than Bisu? Really? REALLY?!?!?!
And Killer is also good however he isn't as good as he was near the end of last season
EDIT: I'm not saying they'll get rolled but I would never bet on them against in-form Stork and Jangbi
On December 21 2011 17:50 o[twist] wrote: against 3 protoss (on a team full of protoss) team 8 fielded 2 mediocre protoss and an underperforming terran. they benched one zerg and sent their other into a ZvZ where he nearly fell victim to a bo loss.
that's being out-coached if you ask me.
I saw someone mention "BO loss" earlier, maybe you, and it just isn't appropriate. It's confusing the fickle nature of low-econ play which is inherent to ZvZ with actual build order losses. BO losses really don't exist in ZvZ now, and certainly not when Jaedong is playing. Although I understand the need to somehow paint JD as being in a bad spot so we can marvel at how awesome he is, there was no danger of BO losing, just a danger of losing.
What's with the anti-cheese hate? For one thing, it's up to the guy getting cheesed to scout well. Jaehoon didn't scout behind his main. That's his fault. Plus Jangbi didn't really cheese. If anything, you should fault terrans for using their cheesy Rax->Expo build. If Sea had made a factory Jangbi would've been behind. But when every terran try to econ cheese in TvP, they're bound to get builds against them.
If Jaehoon scouted correctly and Sea didn't try to be greedy, this match could easily have ended 3-1 in Team 8's favor.
On December 21 2011 17:48 Release wrote: JvZ got the momentum going and MBC just drops dead.
Oh quit this crap, Stork and Jangbi in two of their best match-ups. Brave pulling some retarded cheese that could get just about anyone
Are you telling me you honestly believe that Baby or Killer could take on Stork or Jangbi in-form?
if they were in-form? sure. baby has phenomenally abusive TvP when he's playing well and killer is a top zerg talent.
I don't know about baby against two of the best PvTers ever, but baby against brave would have been a far better choice.
Baby is already 2-0 on that map, not to mention 3-0 this PL. What's the use of saving him to clinch in you can't make it there in the first place.
Yeah, the saving for last strategy isn't even sound. Losing 3-2 is better than losing 3-1 because +/- games matters in placement. If Team 8 ties for 4th but is -1 behind another team, then they miss the playoffs. Play Baby first since it's a better chance of a win.
Team 8 kind of needed to win this to stay relevant, I'm afraid that if they don't show a winning performance in round 1, they'll have to go another round without a sponsor and that's going to be a bit tricky as they have CJ left. I hope they can at least defeat STX...
On December 21 2011 17:50 o[twist] wrote: against 3 protoss (on a team full of protoss) team 8 fielded 2 mediocre protoss and an underperforming terran. they benched one zerg and sent their other into a ZvZ where he nearly fell victim to a bo loss.
that's being out-coached if you ask me.
I saw someone mention "BO loss" earlier, maybe you, and it just isn't appropriate. It's confusing the fickle nature of low-econ play which is inherent to ZvZ with actual build order losses. BO losses really don't exist in ZvZ now, and certainly not when Jaedong is playing. Although I understand the need to somehow paint JD as being in a bad spot so we can marvel at how awesome he is, there was no danger of BO losing, just a danger of losing.
i don't understand this post, but i'm pretty sure it's wrong. if you can lose in a minute to early aggression, but are able to avoid the loss by luckily scouting your opponent's build, that's a bo loss.
On December 21 2011 17:54 iSometric wrote: Was jh screwed no matter what?
I would think so, cannons within mineral range, as well as shield battery, the zealots wouldn't be able to take out the cannons and the zealots brave had. He pulled the probes but he gave up, he's lose too much defending I think
Sea no longer consistent in proleague matches , Tyson aka bridge not winning games like he used to because stork is just too good , Jaedong with superior muta controls wins over roro , Jaehoon could have sent a probe and check around his base so he doesn't die to stupid cannon rushes.