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On June 22 2011 21:02 GG.NoRe wrote:
Guys, especiall JD doubters. Let me tell you something so you dont make the same mistake next time.
JD doesnt lose to some random noob like ssak or classic early in the tournament. NEVER. He only exits as the champion or Ro8/Ro4 when he is too tired of winning already and wants to give new kids or retiring players a chance.
Now you know.
Did you know it's possible to be a Jaedong fan without dissing Flash? You're not even correct, Jaedong has been eliminated by the likes of Han and Backho before.
Both players are extraordinary but shit happens to everyone.
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On June 23 2011 09:50 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 07:56 tube wrote:
jaedong is why i don't consider flash bonjwa Tough luck. 2010 happened. You can't un-become a bonjwa from struggling after your period of dominance, otherwise there wouldn't be any bonjwas.
I find it sort of amusing that Flash having a 73% year (79% before these recent struggles, though) and winning an MSL title is what constitutes "struggling" for Flash. I mean, I know what you mean with his recent streak of losses in Proleague, but I still find the whole thing amusing.
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On June 23 2011 10:14 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:50 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 07:56 tube wrote:
jaedong is why i don't consider flash bonjwa Tough luck. 2010 happened. You can't un-become a bonjwa from struggling after your period of dominance, otherwise there wouldn't be any bonjwas. I find it sort of amusing that Flash having a 73% year (79% before these recent struggles, though) and winning an MSL title is what constitutes "struggling" for Flash. I mean, I know what you mean with his recent streak of losses in Proleague, but I still find the whole thing amusing.
Thats the problem when someone sets himself up on an impossible to maintain platform (like Flash in 2010). The guy just won yet another MSL and people are saying his period of dominance is over. Just shrug and move on.
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no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa
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On June 23 2011 10:07 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:02 GG.NoRe wrote:
Guys, especiall JD doubters. Let me tell you something so you dont make the same mistake next time.
JD doesnt lose to some random noob like ssak or classic early in the tournament. NEVER. He only exits as the champion or Ro8/Ro4 when he is too tired of winning already and wants to give new kids or retiring players a chance.
Now you know. Did you know it's possible to be a Jaedong fan without dissing Flash? You're not even correct, Jaedong has been eliminated by the likes of Han and Backho before. Both players are extraordinary but shit happens to everyone.
Another one bites the dust. sigh. Let fanboys be fanboys.
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On June 23 2011 03:56 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 03:41 Lightwip wrote:On June 23 2011 03:20 Holgerius wrote:On June 23 2011 03:12 Lightwip wrote:On June 23 2011 03:08 Holgerius wrote:
If someone else was ''hogging all the championships'' I could think of nothing more satisfying than Flash taking him down in the final. I really fail to see why you'd sit and hold your thumbs that he'd get knocked out before the proper tournament even begins. It's just petty. It seems we have different tastes then. I'd prefer he goes out without a chance for more glory. I have developed the ability to repress the silly child within me that gloats and likes to see Flash's rivals humiliated.  No. No you haven't. Ok, time to take this to PM yo, this is gonna get really far off-topic and no one else is interested in reading our stupid bickering... XD
I am!
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On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa
I think it's hard to call what happened in 2010 Jaedong "standing toe-to-toe" with Flash, since he lost 3/4 Bo5s in the finals they played. If he'd split the finals, I think you would have an argument, but he didn't. He lost three straight after the one that he won, and all three were convincing wins from Flash.
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On June 23 2011 10:38 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 03:56 Holgerius wrote:On June 23 2011 03:41 Lightwip wrote:On June 23 2011 03:20 Holgerius wrote:On June 23 2011 03:12 Lightwip wrote:On June 23 2011 03:08 Holgerius wrote:
If someone else was ''hogging all the championships'' I could think of nothing more satisfying than Flash taking him down in the final. I really fail to see why you'd sit and hold your thumbs that he'd get knocked out before the proper tournament even begins. It's just petty. It seems we have different tastes then. I'd prefer he goes out without a chance for more glory. I have developed the ability to repress the silly child within me that gloats and likes to see Flash's rivals humiliated. No. No you haven't. Ok, time to take this to PM yo, this is gonna get really far off-topic and no one else is interested in reading our stupid bickering... XD I am!
lol me too. pls do your stupid bickering here :p
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rofl, predictions are the exact same as the results, although any 6 year old could have seen it coming.
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On June 23 2011 11:26 frodoguy wrote:
rofl, predictions are the exact same as the results, although any 6 year old could have seen it coming.
rofl no. everyone was saying only one of the leesang will make it, and everyone was saying Bogus will have a coming out party. Seems all the hype was... bogus. lol In fact if there's anything to the prediction, it's that GGNoRe gave Flash a chance at all. lol Proves he can also be objective sometimes lol. Seriously, good call comrade!
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On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa
Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4.
Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1.
Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not.
Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not.
It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record.
It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again.
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On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again.
Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way.
Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years.
Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him.
JD has the winningest record in BW.
Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also.
TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa.
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On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa.
... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart.
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On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart.
Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is.
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On June 23 2011 12:05 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is.
Could you please tell me what you think I was arguing? I think you've misunderstood.
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On June 23 2011 12:15 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:05 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is. Could you please tell me what you think I was arguing? I think you've misunderstood.
You mean you forgot what you wrote?
...in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart.
Like I said, statistics are statistics. Not the "how" or "why" but the "what", and what it is is that Jaedong is the winningest BW player ever.
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On June 23 2011 12:21 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:15 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 12:05 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is. Could you please tell me what you think I was arguing? I think you've misunderstood. You mean you forgot what you wrote? Show nested quote +...in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Like I said, statistics are statistics. Not the "how" or "why" but the "what", and what it is is that Jaedong is the winningest BW player ever.
No, I mean I think that you read what I wrote, misunderstood what I was saying, and started tilting at windmills.
Edit: Since I doubt you're going to actually take a stab at answering, what I was saying was that the lead that Jaedong has is an insignificant one given the extra year of playing time that he has. I was not disputing the fact that 441 is indeed more than 411, but whether that was significant.
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lolwut! 4-0!
Flash is officially Jaedong's bitch now!
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On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa.
LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind.
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On June 23 2011 12:22 Mumei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:21 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:15 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 12:05 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is. Could you please tell me what you think I was arguing? I think you've misunderstood. You mean you forgot what you wrote? ...in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Like I said, statistics are statistics. Not the "how" or "why" but the "what", and what it is is that Jaedong is the winningest BW player ever. No, I mean I think that you read what I wrote, misunderstood what I was saying, and started tilting at windmills. Edit: Since I doubt you're going to actually take a stab at answering, what I was saying was that the lead that Jaedong has is an insignificant one given the extra year of playing time that he has. I was not disputing the fact that 441 is indeed more than 411, but whether that was significant.
Ah. So it is clear now - you do not know what you are talking about! You just hate JD and want to diminish his accomplishments. Is it Jaedong's fault that he started earlier than Flash? If we factor this "ifs" and "thens" as you seemingly want to, then why not just go all in and claim Jesus would be the greatest BW player ever if he played. Are you laughing now? Sounds ridiculous right? That's your logic, not mine. What about about having the most wins in BW History is not significant?
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