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On June 23 2011 12:35 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind.
Every non Flash fanboy here says the same as I do. Actually I understand your fanboyism. I'd do the same if I was a rabid fan of someone. I'm just here to state the facts - no matter what it is.
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What? So this is about bonjwa or not bonjwa again. Seriously, get a room guys!
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omfg GG.NoRe. This is the way to LR guys. TL should standardize this.
I was hoping to get back from vacation with good ole BW news, and what do I get? LeeSang fighting!
And what the fuck is with Bisu nowadays... sad panda 
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On June 23 2011 12:35 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind.
While I don't care about this "is flash a bonjwa or not" discussion, I do want to point out one thing. In terms of expectations, Jaedong was on the same level as Flash (atleast in individual leagues). It's kind of strange to say that Jaedong never had a good chance at beating Flash when the votes were split roughly 50-50 for both the Hana Daetoo MSL and the Bigfile MSL. It was only the OSL finals where people started becoming a lot more certain that Flash was going to win. And when I'm talking about expectations, I'm not just referring to TL users here. Even predictions by actual progamers, commentators and such was very evenly divided. Even if Jaedong did lose 3 Bo5s against Flash, he was never considered to be just another player who was about to get dominated by Flash like it was with every other player (Stork was maybe the only player that people had hopes for). It was only after the OSL finals that people started losing faith in Jaedong.
So yeah, he lost 3 Bo5s but when you look at the way they were playing going into the finals, there was nothing to suggest that Jaedong never stood a chance. That's like saying that Flash never stood a chance at beating Jaedong in their last several meetings.
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On June 23 2011 12:35 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:22 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 12:21 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:15 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 12:05 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. ... Wait, how can you call 2010 a slump when he made it to four finals? And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Statistics are statistics. Following your logic, you might as well say Jesus Christ will be the greastest in BW if he played it. Yes, that's how ridiculous your argument is. Could you please tell me what you think I was arguing? I think you've misunderstood. You mean you forgot what you wrote? ...in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Like I said, statistics are statistics. Not the "how" or "why" but the "what", and what it is is that Jaedong is the winningest BW player ever. No, I mean I think that you read what I wrote, misunderstood what I was saying, and started tilting at windmills. Edit: Since I doubt you're going to actually take a stab at answering, what I was saying was that the lead that Jaedong has is an insignificant one given the extra year of playing time that he has. I was not disputing the fact that 441 is indeed more than 411, but whether that was significant. Ah. So it is clear now - you do not know what you are talking about! You just hate JD and want to diminish his accomplishments. Is it Jaedong's fault that he started earlier than Flash? If we factor this "ifs" and "thens" as you seemingly want to, then why not just go all in and claim Jesus would be the greatest BW player ever if he played. Are you laughing now? Sounds ridiculous right? That's your logic, not mine. What about about having the most wins in BW History is not significant?
Close, but not quite. I'm actually a Jaedong fan. He's been my favorite since I started watching again back around the middle of 2008.
As for the rest of your questions and assertions that followed, in order:
No.
This is a non-sequitur.
Yes.
Yes.
Nope.
I didn't say that~
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On June 23 2011 12:46 DarkMatter_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:35 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind. While I don't care about this "is flash a bonjwa or not" discussion, I do want to point out one thing. In terms of expectations, Jaedong was on the same level as Flash (atleast in individual leagues). It's kind of strange to say that Jaedong never had a good chance at beating Flash when the votes were split roughly 50-50 for both the Hana Daetoo MSL and the Bigfile MSL. It was only the OSL finals where people started becoming a lot more certain that Flash was going to win. And when I'm talking about expectations, I'm not just referring to TL users here. Even predictions by actual progamers, commentators and such was very evenly divided. Even if Jaedong did lose 3 Bo5s against Flash, he was never considered to be just another player who was about to get dominated by Flash like it was with every other player (Stork was maybe the only player that people had hopes for). It was only after the OSL finals that people started losing faith in Jaedong. So yeah, he lost 3 Bo5s but when you look at the way they were playing going into the finals, there was nothing to suggest that Jaedong never stood a chance. That's like saying that Flash never stood a chance at beating Jaedong in their last several meetings.
The 50-50 split in opinion for Hana Daetoo was more a result of Effort beating Flash in the Korean Air OSL rather than anything Jaedong did. Before that people were actually pessimistic about Jaedong's vT because he had recently been knocked out by Baby in the OSL. Just goes to show you that expectation=/= reality.
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On June 23 2011 12:46 DarkMatter_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:35 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind. While I don't care about this "is flash a bonjwa or not" discussion, I do want to point out one thing. In terms of expectations, Jaedong was on the same level as Flash (atleast in individual leagues). It's kind of strange to say that Jaedong never had a good chance at beating Flash when the votes were split roughly 50-50 for both the Hana Daetoo MSL and the Bigfile MSL. It was only the OSL finals where people started becoming a lot more certain that Flash was going to win. And when I'm talking about expectations, I'm not just referring to TL users here. Even predictions by actual progamers, commentators and such was very evenly divided. Even if Jaedong did lose 3 Bo5s against Flash, he was never considered to be just another player who was about to get dominated by Flash like it was with every other player (Stork was maybe the only player that people had hopes for). It was only after the OSL finals that people started losing faith in Jaedong. So yeah, he lost 3 Bo5s but when you look at the way they were playing going into the finals, there was nothing to suggest that Jaedong never stood a chance. That's like saying that Flash never stood a chance at beating Jaedong in their last several meetings.
This. And even during KAOSL2, at least among Koreans, it was supposed to be Jaedong's revenge. Everybody believed Jaedong will win it mercilessly. It was not until the last game of that series that all hope was over. And you have to understand, at their level, unless it's a head on safe macro match to late game, no game will ever be close. It is all decided by the little factors. That is why you can't say Jaedong pwns Flash now, even at 4-0, much the same way you cannot say Flash pwnd Jaedong before despite the record. At the start of each match, they remain equal. It is only until the slightest advantage emerge and one of them capitalizes that the game is decided.
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On June 23 2011 13:13 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:46 DarkMatter_ wrote:On June 23 2011 12:35 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 11:49 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 11:34 Release wrote:On June 23 2011 10:23 tube wrote:
no im just saying when someone is still standing toe-to-toe with you at the top, you're not a bonjwa Flash made 6 finals. JD made 4. Flash won 4 titles. JD won 1. Flash's team won WL and PL finals. JD's team did not. Flash got most wins in PL. JD did not. It's impossible to say anyone at any time has ever been toe to toe with Flash's 2010 record. It's so great to see JD and Flash going to a potential JvF final again. Or, if you are objective about it, you can look at it this way. Jaedong and Flash met at all the significant SLs in the last couple years. Flash victories all came at JD's slump, yet JD managed to stay right on top with him. JD has the winningest record in BW. Most importantly, in terms of Bonjwa, if one is not alone up there or if there is even the slightest doubt or reservation about one's claim to Bonjwa, he is not Bonjwa. Ma Bonjwa was. During his reign people can honestly say no one can defeat him (although he lost a few games here and there of course - that's the thing, reputation!) JD always has a good chance of beating him. Flash may have won many titles, but JD was like that 2008-2009 also. TLDR: Flash = Not bonjwa. LMAO JD's slump? He made more starleague finals in 2010 than he did in 2008 or 2009. And how exactly is losing 3 consecutive finals to Flash considered "staying right on top with him?" JD's winningest record is a career achievement. Only Flash's 2010 period of dominance is in discussion and in this regard Jaedong was nowhere near Flash."JD always has a good chance of beating Flash" is true now in 2011. It was patently false in 2010 after the NATE MSL. 9-3 in Starleague finals speaks for itself, and most of those games weren't even close. Get real the only doubt or reservation is in your fanboy mind. While I don't care about this "is flash a bonjwa or not" discussion, I do want to point out one thing. In terms of expectations, Jaedong was on the same level as Flash (atleast in individual leagues). It's kind of strange to say that Jaedong never had a good chance at beating Flash when the votes were split roughly 50-50 for both the Hana Daetoo MSL and the Bigfile MSL. It was only the OSL finals where people started becoming a lot more certain that Flash was going to win. And when I'm talking about expectations, I'm not just referring to TL users here. Even predictions by actual progamers, commentators and such was very evenly divided. Even if Jaedong did lose 3 Bo5s against Flash, he was never considered to be just another player who was about to get dominated by Flash like it was with every other player (Stork was maybe the only player that people had hopes for). It was only after the OSL finals that people started losing faith in Jaedong. So yeah, he lost 3 Bo5s but when you look at the way they were playing going into the finals, there was nothing to suggest that Jaedong never stood a chance. That's like saying that Flash never stood a chance at beating Jaedong in their last several meetings. The 50-50 split in opinion for Hana Daetoo was more a result of Effort beating Flash in the Korean Air OSL rather than anything Jaedong did. Before that people were actually pessimistic about Jaedong's vT because he had recently been knocked out by Baby in the OSL. Just goes to show you that expectation=/= reality.
But part of being a bonjwa is not just that they win a lot but the fact that they have an aura of invincibility surrounding them regardless of who they're facing, and Flash didn't have this aura until much later in the year. Jaedong went into the Hana Daetoo finals as Flash's equal not the underdog who was expected to roll over and die. Even in the Bigfile MSL finals, Jaedong had an absolutely incredible pedigree going into it. He just defeated Sea and Light (who at the time was near unbeatable in TvZ) in Bo5s in an awful map pool when every other zerg crumbled. It was only after the Bigfile MSL finals that Flash really set himself apart from everyone else, and took it one step further with the OSL finals.
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Nothing makes me feel better than witnessing JD take out Flash...thanks for making my fanboy heart proud JD
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On June 23 2011 13:41 mierin wrote:
Nothing makes me feel better than witnessing JD take out Flash...thanks for making my fanboy heart proud JD
You say it.
Interview up, copied from OpticalShot on the Interview thread.
Look, how adorable. how can you not love this:
+ Show Spoiler +Now compare it to the other one... go see for yourself :p
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8yCPd.jpg)
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lol things are getting heated up on this forum.....haha
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MSL deja vu.
Now if only zero stays out of the way we'll have a real finals with somebody actually capable of beating flash.
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On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed.
In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands.
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On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. Show nested quote +In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands.
Between a progamer and an keyboard warrior fanboy, you know who to believe
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On June 23 2011 09:54 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:50 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 07:56 tube wrote:
jaedong is why i don't consider flash bonjwa Tough luck. 2010 happened. You can't un-become a bonjwa from struggling after your period of dominance, otherwise there wouldn't be any bonjwas. There could only be one bonjwa - Savior. You know what bonjwa means right? To be bonjwa means there is totally no dispute. Flash had a good year. Not bonjwa. Jaedong was there with him all the way. EDIT: Oh yes! Great work with the thread GGnore
If this is what you're going by, then that's kind of silly. Jaedong was with him but was always 2nd place. Doesn't that mean that Jaedong could never get over that finals hump, ergo, Flash was undisputed no. 1?
Anyway great games overall, but not the best. Looking forward to group B and C tomorrow!
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On June 23 2011 09:54 KMJ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:50 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 07:56 tube wrote:
jaedong is why i don't consider flash bonjwa Tough luck. 2010 happened. You can't un-become a bonjwa from struggling after your period of dominance, otherwise there wouldn't be any bonjwas. There could only be one bonjwa - Savior. You know what bonjwa means right? To be bonjwa means there is totally no dispute. Flash had a good year. Not bonjwa. Jaedong was there with him all the way. EDIT: Oh yes! Great work with the thread GGnore
"Flash had a good year." Is probably the single greatest understatement in broodwar history. It's like saying Oov was okay in finals and Nada was alright at winning titles.
On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. Show nested quote +In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands.
Progamers commend their opponents in spite of the way they play, news at 11? Flash himself said he wasn't playing as good as usual (in as much as you want to believe him about his wrist problems), but I guess Jaedong knows more than Flash about Flash.
On June 23 2011 15:31 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Between a progamer and an keyboard warrior fanboy, you know who to believe
Most of your posts are insulting, rude, or lacking in content. I'm asking you to have some respect for others before it becomes a consistent problem.
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On June 23 2011 16:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 09:54 KMJ wrote:On June 23 2011 09:50 red4ce wrote:On June 23 2011 07:56 tube wrote:
jaedong is why i don't consider flash bonjwa Tough luck. 2010 happened. You can't un-become a bonjwa from struggling after your period of dominance, otherwise there wouldn't be any bonjwas. There could only be one bonjwa - Savior. You know what bonjwa means right? To be bonjwa means there is totally no dispute. Flash had a good year. Not bonjwa. Jaedong was there with him all the way. EDIT: Oh yes! Great work with the thread GGnore "Flash had a good year." Is probably the single greatest understatement in broodwar history. It's like saying Oov was okay vs zerg and Nada was alright at winning titles. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Progamers commend their opponents in spite of the way they play, news at 11? Flash himself said he wasn't playing as good as usual (in as much as you want to believe him about his wrist problems), but I guess Jaedong knows more than Flash about Flash. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:31 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Between a progamer and an keyboard warrior fanboy, you know who to believe Most of your posts are insulting, rude, or lacking in content. I'm asking you to have some respect for others before it becomes a consistent problem.
Your irrational fanboyism is the consistent problem. Why can't you just accept the truth. In retrospect you can say Flash dominated. But as it happened, JD and Flash were equals in every one of those Finals. Check out the LR threads and point out non JD or Flash fans who seriously believe it was going to be a one-sided domination. Facts.
And please drop the attitude. You're not running a kindergarten here. You don't have to be aggressive if someone tells the truth that is contrary to your fanboy opinion.
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On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. Show nested quote +In his interview, Jaedong said:
First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands.
hahaha!
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