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On June 23 2011 18:04 Legatus Lanius wrote: flash had the advantage in maps in those SLs, i demand a fighting spirit bo5 Oh yes, you could also argue about that. LOL. This is so getting ugly.
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On June 23 2011 15:31 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said: First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Between a progamer and an keyboard warrior fanboy, you know who to believe
LOL. Nice LR and preperation as i saw seeing the players and the maps as the game started.
I hope Flash gets better with his wrists. ps nice predictions.
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On June 23 2011 18:06 whiterabb1t wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:01 Mumei wrote: And how does Jaedong have the winningest record when he's ~4% behind Flash? Unless you just mean sheer quantity of wins, in which case he's just 40 wins ahead, which isn't significant at all considering Jaedong's headstart. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 12:21 KMJ wrote: Like I said, statistics are statistics. Not the "how" or "why" but the "what", and what it is is that Jaedong is the winningest BW player ever. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 17:32 KMJ wrote: I said it before. Statistics. Facts. Actual Events. Record. I'm not speculating about possibilities or conjectures. I'm simply stating the record. And Flash fans seem to have a problem that Jaedong is ahead on that part. Sorry. Facts, plain and simple. Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 17:37 TwoToneTerran wrote: The only record that matters is titles, Flash is ahead! TTT, You were the one who jumped in. Clearly they were arguing about the most wins, with Mumei arguing that JD played longer and KMJ arguing that he is only stating the record. You have good intentions but you were arguing another topic, or just plainly on a different premise. Either way, this bickering is really unnecessary. Please stop everyone.
He was not only talking about the "winningest" record thing, though. I mean there's a big old bolded Bonjwa in the post above. There's an obvious pretext to what he's saying that I picked up on and we both carried on with, so I wasn't too far off base. As a matter of fact, the very first post he made in this thread and his second ever post on this forums(as well as the first one I responded to) was this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9915815
Like I said, the number of wins thing was just an extrapolation of the typical bonjwa discussion. He brought up the win record so I brought up the title records to prove how arbitrary they are.
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On June 23 2011 18:09 jjhchsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:31 Sovetsky Soyuz wrote:On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said: First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Between a progamer and an keyboard warrior fanboy, you know who to believe LOL. Nice LR and preperation as i saw seeing the players and the maps as the game started. I hope Flash gets better with his wrists. ps nice predictions. Yeah, he does very good LRs. That's his trademarkish thing on the markers, wonder if someone else does that. Along with milk and cheese. LOL.
Get well soon Flash.
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On June 23 2011 18:08 Darth Vader wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 18:04 Legatus Lanius wrote: flash had the advantage in maps in those SLs, i demand a fighting spirit bo5 Oh yes, you could also argue about that. LOL. This is so getting ugly.
is there any argument about it?
well id say hana bank was more to jaedong's favour than the others though
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Shit, some random dudes on the internet are saying Flash isn't bonjwa. Then I guess it must be true! I hope the Korean commentators apologize immediately for spreading such misinformation.
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Jaedong beats Flash again, awsome! ^_^ Can he do it in a BoX though...?
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This LR is officially complete and finished, including Interview (OpticalShot) and VODs (moktira). Thanks
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Whatever issues we've had with opinions the past, GG.NoRe, you are an exemplary OP updater.
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didnt watch the match but wtf @ J>F lately o.o
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On June 23 2011 20:45 TwoToneTerran wrote: Whatever issues we've had with opinions the past, GG.NoRe, you are an exemplary OP updater. Indeed. ^__^
Thanks GG.NoRe!
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I wish Jaedong can exceed Flash in going into tournament deeper, not only beating him in head-to-head bo1.
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On June 23 2011 21:08 _Quasar_ wrote: I wish Jaedong can exceed Flash in going into tournament deeper, not only beating him in head-to-head bo1.
whats with the WeMade tag?I thought you were an OZ fan?
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The comic in the OP made me chuckle
Great to see the titans advancing. I hope to see them meet up again in the finals.
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On June 23 2011 21:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:08 _Quasar_ wrote: I wish Jaedong can exceed Flash in going into tournament deeper, not only beating him in head-to-head bo1. whats with the WeMade tag?I thought you were an OZ fan?
Not only that, but I thought Quasar hated Terrans, and wemade is the most terran team in PL, lol.
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On June 23 2011 20:18 GG.NoRe wrote: This LR is officially complete and finished, including Interview (OpticalShot) and VODs (moktira). Thanks
Thanks! Your LRs are among the very best. Heed no hater
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On June 23 2011 16:17 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 15:20 qrs wrote:On June 22 2011 21:01 TwoToneTerran wrote:On June 22 2011 21:00 Kyuki wrote:On June 22 2011 20:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Absolutely the worst game I've ever seen flash play, skillwise. You could argue that for most matches that Flash wins his opponent plays the worst game of his life. That's what happens when you get dominated, you get offsync. Considering how this game went, I think Flash actually did a really good job. Flash doesn't play worse because he's playing Jaedong, Flash literally just played completely lost that entire game and it was pathetic to watch. If you told me Skyhigh was playing that game I would not have blinked because that's the exact quality of output he had. Flash did an atrocious job and was so far below his skill level that I'm embarrassed. In his interview, Jaedong said: First of all, Flash played a tremendous game. We seem to have a difference of opinion on our hands. Progamers commend their opponents in spite of the way they play, news at 11? Flash himself said he wasn't playing as good as usual (in as much as you want to believe him about his wrist problems), but I guess Jaedong knows more than Flash about Flash. Your fanboyism is ridiculous. Flash said he couldn't focus as much as usual and that despite that, he gave it his all. Flash didn't say he played amazing or badly, he just stated his mental and physical condition when he was playing, and didn't say anything about the quality of play itself. Meanwhile, Jaedong whose known to give an honest appraisal of things said Flash played tremendously given the position he was put in early on and that beating him took a lot more effort than he expected. And you're saying we should ignore all that because well, "he's just being nice", and instead take your word for that that was one of Flash's worst performances?
EDIT: In the interview after their last game, Jaedong pointed out that Flash made a lot of mistakes and didn't say anything like "he played tremendously". Stop believing what you want to believe.
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When was the last time Jaedong said another korean progamer played badly?
I have no doubt Flash gave it his all, but there's obvious context about his condition being bad equating to not playing up to his usual standard. During the entire game I and everyone in IRC were commenting on how weird and sloppy Flash was playing. You shouldn't specifically take my word for it, but go back and watch and say Flash played up to his standard with that game with a straight face. It fails the eye test big time.
It wasn't a completely poorly played game, but it was far below flash's standard and was most definitely one of his worse TvZ losses I've seen in awhile.
edit: An edit for your edit
On June 23 2011 21:56 DarkMatter_ wrote: EDIT: In the interview after their last game, Jaedong pointed out that Flash made a lot of mistakes and didn't say anything like "he played tremendously". Stop believing what you want to believe.
Could you link me? I do not recall the previous oz vz kt interview, I'm speaking of progamers in general with that previous statement.
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On June 23 2011 22:04 TwoToneTerran wrote: When was the last time Jaedong said another korean progamer played badly?
I have no doubt Flash gave it his all, but there's obvious context about his condition being bad equating to not playing up to his usual standard. During the entire game I and everyone in IRC were commenting on how weird and sloppy Flash was playing. You shouldn't specifically take my word for it, but go back and watch and say Flash played up to his standard with that game with a straight face. It fails the eye test big time.
It wasn't a completely poorly played game, but it was far below flash's standard and was most definitely one of his worse TvZ losses I've seen in awhile. When was the last time Jaedong said an opponent played tremendously? The closest examples I can was after winning his Bo5 against Snow and the Bo3 against Reality where he said was surprised at how well prepared they were.
If Flash did indeed play horribly, Jaedong would have just kept his opinion to himself and he wouldn't say he played well when he clearly didn't just to be nice.
And why do I care about what a bunch of people in an IRC channel have to say? You insist that every decision Flash made was bad (apart from planting mines) but you don't actually say what the correct decisions were in all those circumstances.
Also, Jaedong's Bo5 losses against Flash were all far below JD's standard and only a fool would think Jaedong showed his full potential in those Bo5s, so what's your point here? These games show Jaedong's potential far better than any of those Bo5s from last year, and Flash has been getting manhandled each time, what conclusion are we supposed to draw from that?
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On June 23 2011 22:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2011 21:56 DarkMatter_ wrote: EDIT: In the interview after their last game, Jaedong pointed out that Flash made a lot of mistakes and didn't say anything like "he played tremendously". Stop believing what you want to believe. Could you link me? I do not recall the previous oz vz kt interview, I'm speaking of progamers in general with that previous statement. Oz vs KT interview
Fifith question.
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