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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
I like your signature  Is it from theleo_ua's movie? :trollface: but really, I wish Zerg could be equal with terran, but they aren't now. TvP is the most balanced match-up, ZvP is probably the second most balanced (while it has some features that if one side fucks up early, then it just becomes insta-over...) But TvZ... omfg. -____- | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:08 _Quasar_ wrote: I like your signature Is it from theleo_ua's movie? :trollface: but really, I wish Zerg could be equal with terran, but they aren't now. TvP is the most balanced match-up, ZvP is probably the second most balanced (while it has some features that if one side fucks up early, then it just becomes insta-over...) But TvZ... omfg. -____- Come on Quasar. It's not TvZ that's the problem, it's FvZ. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On June 11 2011 19:57 Hinanawi wrote: We're talking about 2009 here. It was a time when Jaedong and Bisu fans were arguing with eachother over which one was the fifth bonjwa, and Flash wasn't even in the running. Shoutout to all the Flash fans gathered up here who bitched about Flash's PR ranks and wept bitter tears at his wasted potential back then with me. In fact I think I registered a TL account after lurking forever just so I could bitch about Flash not getting enough credit on the PR. At that time he was too young dude, you can't expect someone that young and win 3 golds and own everyone. | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On June 11 2011 19:56 Holgerius wrote: First off, it was almost two years betweem Flash's first and second gold. What I'm saying is Bisu has already proven that he's one of the greatest players of all time, with his three golds. He has already taken his talent and turned it into Starleague titles, even if it was a while ago. Flash wasn't doing that at all during that long, dark period of time, and it looked like he, despite showing some of the best play people had ever seen, would never reach that position. It was 18 months, guess how long is has been since JD won a starleague despite showing some of the best play people have ever seen in the meantime? So what you're saying there's an arbitrary limit on how many starleague titles a player can win before you can't complain about your player having a hard time any more? Then people (I don't know if it's you too) should stop complaining about Flash's "slump" 6 months ago. He already had 5 titles by that time and was dominating PL. You're free to complain about how hard it was to support him for those 18 long months of him having "only" won 1 OSL but it just looks extremely arrogant and disrespectful to every other fan. Just enjoy your Bonjwa, God and GOAT and keep quiet when people criticise him. It's the honourable thing to do. | ||
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moopie
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Ermac
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They should've played one of these two when Flash won...  | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:08 _Quasar_ wrote: but really, I wish Zerg could be equal with terran, but they aren't now. TvP is the most balanced match-up, ZvP is probably the second most balanced (while it has some features that if one side fucks up early, then it just becomes insta-over...) But TvZ... omfg. -____- Its not really the TvZ matchup, its just Flash. Aside from him, and there aren't really top terrans that can compete with solid zergs these days. There's fantasy, sort of, but he's flaky and can't play bio. Then there's Light who isn't solid enough for Leagues. Zergs are actually dominating the ro8s quite a bit, their presence tends to overshadow terrans. Protoss are last, but again I still don't think its a balance issue, its just a lack of dominating players. There's Bisu who finally broke his long slump this year, and maybe we'll see him in a ro16 again someday, and Stork who actually does make it in some leagues, but he's not very reliable. Not really anyone else atm. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:09 kuroshiroi wrote: It was 18 months, guess how long is has been since JD won a starleague despite showing some of the best play people have ever seen in the meantime? So what you're saying there's an arbitrary limit on how many starleague titles a player can win before you can't complain about your player having a hard time any more? Then people (I don't know if it's you too) should stop complaining about Flash's "slump" 6 months ago. He already had 5 titles by that time and was dominating PL. You're free to complain about how hard it was to support him for those 18 long months of him having "only" won 1 OSL but it just looks extremely arrogant and disrespectful to every other fan. Just enjoy your Bonjwa, God and GOAT and keep quiet when people criticise him. It's the honourable thing to do. You demonstrate absolutely no knowledge about Flash. There isn't a statute of limitations on remembering how you pitied a kid -- a very young kid -- who had the weight of an entire team thrown on his shoulders at 15 and had all of the world expected of him after a dominant OSL run. When your nickname is "Child Labor Terran" And a common reason you're dropping out of leagues is because you had to try to win 4 games in a row the day before a series against Best that he just blows from exhaustion and underpreparation. It was sad, sadder than any truly S class game has ever been, because no one ever had so little help and so much expected of them. You're freaking ridiculous if you want to compare what Flash was going through to others. Oz for Jaedong was an amazing team, and don't get me started on SKT. It was more than just "Well he didn't win a lot of titles!" it was a much sadder story of almost abusive treatment of a child. What Flash has done is a testament to his previous struggles. I know a lot of people begrudge Flash for his dominance, but his story is one hell of a feel good story when you look at it. | ||
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aupstar
Australia912 Posts
Since there was no OSL at the same time.. Which means basically all the gamers were gunning for a spot in the MSL and only training for the one individual league (minus proleague ofc, which is a constant regardless). | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:08 _Quasar_ wrote: I like your signature Is it from theleo_ua's movie? :trollface: but really, I wish Zerg could be equal with terran, but they aren't now. TvP is the most balanced match-up, ZvP is probably the second most balanced (while it has some features that if one side fucks up early, then it just becomes insta-over...) But TvZ... omfg. -____- Stop whining, you enjoy ZvP which is the most imba MU throughout the whole BW history, and yet Protoss players don't whine about it. It's just natural that you have disadvantage in another MU (ZvT). If your race only has advantage and no disadvantage, it becomes imba and boring (like the terran race). | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:15 kamikami wrote: Stop whining, you enjoy ZvP which is the most imba MU throughout the whole BW history, and yet Protoss players don't whine about it. It's just natural that you have disadvantage in another MU (ZvT). If your race only has advantage and no disadvantage, it becomes imba and boring (like the terran race). LOL! Good one.  | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:12 moopie wrote: Its not really the TvZ matchup, its just Flash. Aside from him, and there aren't really top terrans that can compete with solid zergs these days. There's fantasy, sort of, but he's flaky and can't play bio. Then there's Light who isn't solid enough for Leagues. Zergs are actually dominating the ro8s quite a bit, their presence tends to overshadow terrans. Protoss are last, but again I still don't think its a balance issue, its just a lack of dominating players. There's Bisu who finally broke his long slump this year, and maybe we'll see him in a ro16 again someday, and Stork who actually does make it in some leagues, but he's not very reliable. Not really anoyne else atm. Pretty much - it's just a shift in "power" between a lot of players. moopie is right though, look at how great the zergs are doing in the RO8 in lots of tournaments recently. Someone will eventually find a flaw and work out Flash's current form, however the reason Flash is so fucking good is he's like..."Someone found a flaw in my current gameplay style...lol okay change it up." He's so good at adapting to changing situations (when he's awake - sometimes Flash just makes me facepalm. See: Flash vs Hyuk) that's he's going to be tough to dethrone, so to speak. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
If your race only has advantage and no disadvantage, it becomes imba and boring (like the terran race). LOL, I like this. | ||
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Brad`
Canada548 Posts
TERRAN SO CRUSHINGLY DOMINATE | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Well I must admit we don't whine about it often because Bisu doesn't lose a PvZ that often, if Bisu lose a PvZ it's our duty to whhhhiiinnee | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
Well the rational ones can't not when Bisu is like 90% PvZ. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Happyhappyhappy! | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:20 Holgerius wrote: Just finished reading the entire LR. Happyhappyhappy!Something's telling me that you're gonna reread it again. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
On June 11 2011 20:12 moopie wrote: Its not really the TvZ matchup, its just Flash. Aside from him, and there aren't really top terrans that can compete with solid zergs these days. There's fantasy, sort of, but he's flaky and can't play bio. Then there's Light who isn't solid enough for Leagues. Zergs are actually dominating the ro8s quite a bit, their presence tends to overshadow terrans. Protoss are last, but again I still don't think its a balance issue, its just a lack of dominating players. There's Bisu who finally broke his long slump this year, and maybe we'll see him in a ro16 again someday, and Stork who actually does make it in some leagues, but he's not very reliable. Not really anyone else atm. By ZvT i mean "Zerg vs. the Terran who plays to the maximum possibility of terran". shouldn't zerg want to have a chance to win titles? To win titles chances are pretty big that they'll have to play such a terran, be it, in different times, Flash, Boxer, iloveoov, Nada or whoever. | ||
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