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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 24 2011 15:59 GMT
#61
Flash can beat Hydra, but what he can not beat, it's Queen
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50123 Posts
May 24 2011 16:09 GMT
#62
On May 25 2011 00:59 _Quasar_ wrote:
Flash can beat Hydra, but what he can not beat, it's Queen


yeah,the thing that interests me the most is how will Flash efficiently handle queens when the mech switch happens.
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 24 2011 16:11 GMT
#63
the only time I've seen Flash vs. Queens (ZerO) he lost
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
May 24 2011 16:44 GMT
#64
Mass Wraiths! Hahaha well with all the gas spent on Queens there wouldn't be a whole lot of Scourge. Wraith + Tank pls ala fashionable TvT.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
blue001
Profile Joined January 2009
106 Posts
May 24 2011 16:45 GMT
#65
Queens are like arbiters. Terran mech vs Protoss you add in science vessels. I believe this is what mech TvZ will need too. The Science Vessel.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 24 2011 18:03 GMT
#66
It's hard to comprehend how this game is still evolving. A year ago there was talk that Zerg needed to incorporate the Queen in their ZvT. Most players declined due to the APM required. But once the Woongjin Zergs paved the way - it's becoming a standard responses to terran mech.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
vishrut
Profile Joined April 2009
United States567 Posts
May 24 2011 18:22 GMT
#67
i hate both these two so much that i can not decide who i want to win. i wish it was jaedong vs hydra and zero v flash so i could root for jaedong and zero. i guess i hate flash more so go hydra make some queens
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 24 2011 18:32 GMT
#68
On May 25 2011 01:45 blue001 wrote:
Queens are like arbiters. Terran mech vs Protoss you add in science vessels. I believe this is what mech TvZ will need too. The Science Vessel.


lol what

terran mech has vessels, and what, they help? lol.

and wraith... i mean, queens can like... run away from them. lol. and then hang above 3+ packs of hydras. oh hi wraiths. :D
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
blue001
Profile Joined January 2009
106 Posts
May 24 2011 18:34 GMT
#69
On May 25 2011 03:32 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 01:45 blue001 wrote:
Queens are like arbiters. Terran mech vs Protoss you add in science vessels. I believe this is what mech TvZ will need too. The Science Vessel.


lol what

terran mech has vessels, and what, they help? lol.

and wraith... i mean, queens can like... run away from them. lol. and then hang above 3+ packs of hydras. oh hi wraiths. :D


Yea you ever heard of EMP? They aren't like defilers so it's not like you can consume energy. 1 EMP on a pack of queens and they won't be casting for a LONG time.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 24 2011 18:36 GMT
#70
On May 25 2011 03:34 blue001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 03:32 _Quasar_ wrote:
On May 25 2011 01:45 blue001 wrote:
Queens are like arbiters. Terran mech vs Protoss you add in science vessels. I believe this is what mech TvZ will need too. The Science Vessel.


lol what

terran mech has vessels, and what, they help? lol.

and wraith... i mean, queens can like... run away from them. lol. and then hang above 3+ packs of hydras. oh hi wraiths. :D


Yea you ever heard of EMP? They aren't like defilers so it's not like you can consume energy. 1 EMP on a pack of queens and they won't be casting for a LONG time.

terrans use EMP always when they see queens! But that doesn't help! Zergs split queens or cast broodling BEFORE they get emp'd.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 19:12:25
May 24 2011 19:11 GMT
#71
The best way to counter queens is to not let the Zerg get queens at all. Make the Zerg fear that he'll be overrun if he tries to prepare queens due to the larvae and resource sink.

Example:



Queens counter turtle late-mech.
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Deekin[
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia1713 Posts
May 24 2011 19:25 GMT
#72
Expect a huge cheese from Flash in the first set
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ CJ Entus fighting! I am a Leta, Hydra, Mind and (ofcourse) Firebathero fan. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
May 24 2011 19:26 GMT
#73
I am actually intrigued by the prospect of a Flash v.s. Jaedong final in which Jaedong is not the underdog.

And I hate Hydra.

There you go.
Tomken
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway1144 Posts
May 24 2011 19:48 GMT
#74
La Mancha 2x free win Flash!
MBCGame HERO FIGHTING!!!~
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 20:20:20
May 24 2011 20:16 GMT
#75
On May 25 2011 04:48 Tomken wrote:
La Mancha 2x free win Flash!

Which raises the question, which map did Hydra thumb down? Seems very odd that he wouldn't thumb down La Mancha as all the other maps are either balanced (yes, Dante's Peak SE is balanced, in standard leagues) or zerg favoured (lol Monte Cristo). Guess he feels like he has something to prove?
Fly Jaedong, fly!
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
May 24 2011 20:36 GMT
#76
I like both players, but I want TvZ not another ZvZ so...

GO FLASH! (and Zero XD)
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
May 24 2011 20:54 GMT
#77
Hydra will beat Flash.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
May 24 2011 21:33 GMT
#78
On May 25 2011 04:26 dukethegold wrote:
I am actually intrigued by the prospect of a Flash v.s. Jaedong final in which Jaedong is not the underdog.

And I hate Hydra.

There you go.

Jaedong was not the underdog for the Hana Daetoo MSL finals and we all know how that turned out. TT
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
May 24 2011 21:37 GMT
#79
On May 25 2011 05:16 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 04:48 Tomken wrote:
La Mancha 2x free win Flash!

Which raises the question, which map did Hydra thumb down? Seems very odd that he wouldn't thumb down La Mancha as all the other maps are either balanced (yes, Dante's Peak SE is balanced, in standard leagues) or zerg favoured (lol Monte Cristo). Guess he feels like he has something to prove?

I'm almost certain he thumbed down Monte Cristo. I'm not sure how you think Monte Cristo is zerg favored. It reminds me of Polaris Rhapsody.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
May 24 2011 22:38 GMT
#80
On May 25 2011 06:37 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2011 05:16 kuroshiroi wrote:
On May 25 2011 04:48 Tomken wrote:
La Mancha 2x free win Flash!

Which raises the question, which map did Hydra thumb down? Seems very odd that he wouldn't thumb down La Mancha as all the other maps are either balanced (yes, Dante's Peak SE is balanced, in standard leagues) or zerg favoured (lol Monte Cristo). Guess he feels like he has something to prove?

I'm almost certain he thumbed down Monte Cristo. I'm not sure how you think Monte Cristo is zerg favored. It reminds me of Polaris Rhapsody.

Mostly because it's 5-1 so far and because the games have all been fairly easy for zerg, either late game rapes or early game ling disasters.

Maybe the Ts just haven't been very good or been unlucky but I don't see any of the obvious turtle tactics working very well on Monte Cristo. For instance, it's harder for T to defend their nat and third at the same time on Monte Cristo than it was on Polaris while zerg can get to 3 gas + Hive on Monte Cristo without any significant difficulties. There are also no min-only expansions on Monte Cristo while Polaris Rhapsody has 4 of those.

At worst, it looks balanced. But I'm probably wrong, since Hydra did most likely thumb it down. Flash will show us the truth about it anyway; If there's a way to efficiently turtle on it or kill off a zerg with a pre-defiler push, he will find it.
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