• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:24
CEST 13:24
KST 20:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)7Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE14Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly5Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"9
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b Terran or Protoss
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game ASL22 General Discussion
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5268 users

ABC [MSL] Ro4 Day 1 - Page 66

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 78 Next
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:06:16
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1301
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:02:32
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1302
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1303
He's hit by all the pressure from team's league and individual's league, fans expect him to do best in both of them, it simply tire him out... Look at winner's league and recent rounds, Oz hasn't win until Ace...

Another reason I believe, JD prepared ZvZ and not a match against Zero while Zero specifically prepared against JD, that's why JD lost. JD has been strong, and will still be strong, but perhaps not dominate...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#1304
Since it's not possible for a Golden Badge showdown, I'll root for ZerO for this MSL. He's been a good kid all along and deserve some recognition.

Plus, I kinda hate Hydra.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
May 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#1305
Well, unexpected results, but Zero now has my full support to go on to win the finals no matter who he faces. Good luck cutie!
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
May 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#1306
On May 26 2011 19:45 Koka-kola wrote:
Jesus you guys, why didn't you show me JD vs Ruby game or a series against Grape? I'm saying so cause I feel so, while watching his games. When JD was in top form his games were all amazing, ALL of them were a top class play. Now I'm getting these 1 of 3-4 games where I don't "wtf JD?". Doesn't it look like a pattern to you? What kind of pattern? JD got worse and its a fucking fact now.

I think it's more of a mental thing. To me at least, I think it really started when he lost that series vs Hydra last MSL semis. That series, he got beaten in muta micro, the aspect that he used to dominate in ZvZ. Ever since, he hasn't seemed the same in ZvZ: less confident, more easily shaken.

That's just my impression, though. I know he'll come back in ZvZ, and JvZ will return once again. He just needs to go take his revenge next round against ZerO and Hydra in muta micro battles.

(And what the heck is with Jaedong and La Mancha? seriously)

I'm incredibly sad about the results. Bad day (or week(s)) ahead.

Congrats to ZerO though. He does deserve to make a finals after all this time. He'd better win in the finals now.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
May 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#1307
On May 26 2011 19:59 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:53 Lucumo wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:47 Lucumo wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:47 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:45 RJGooner wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:43 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:32 Eun_Star wrote:
Commentators explained that JD was deciding to go 12 hatch every game because he felt that he needed a bo advantage to win this. He feels that going 12 pool (or was it 11?) is not enough to get him a win. Honestly, JD should have played like Jaedong. Aggressive, mind-blowing, and just better than the way he's playing right now. If this is the end of JD's days, I'll be very sad :<
Come on Jaedong!

Here the word of truth. It's cruel but it is still the fact. JD understood his capacity better than any fanboy. He thought he needed a bo economic advantage to win this. He know his micro is no match for his opponent.


How could you possibly say that. His micro is just as good if not better than Zero's micro.

Not me. Jeadong think that.

Did he say that? Source? If not, how can you look into Jaedong's brain?

Source: commentators and the fact jd 12hatched x 4.Obviously I trust commentators more than fanboys.

You wrote "Jaedong" though and the commentators aren't Jaedong and they are obviously only assuming things. Maybe Jaedong thought that Zero won't 9pool 3 out of 4 games and decided to 12 hatch to catch him but Zero just went through with it and mind-fucked Jaedong. Makes sense, right?

I repeat
Commentators > emotional fanboys

That would be you, since you replaced the commentators with Jaedong to "improve" your statement and spout nonsense. For what purpose? To jump on the "Jaedong is so bad, blabla" bandwagon? To me, it certainly looks that way. And I hate it when people try to sell assumptions as facts and it's even more annoying when they make false statements.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
May 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#1308
On May 26 2011 20:02 gostunv wrote:
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-

I don't see anyone hating on Zero. I just see Jaedong haters being obnoxious and spouting nonsense.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
May 26 2011 11:09 GMT
#1309
Two MSLs and two Bo5 ZvZ loss - just sad. And I think JD has a better chances to win JvF finals, which makes it even sadder.

Thx GG.NoRe, this LR format (with game by game links) is very convenient.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
May 26 2011 11:10 GMT
#1310
On May 26 2011 20:06 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:02 gostunv wrote:
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-

I don't see anyone hating on Zero. I just see Jaedong haters being obnoxious and spouting nonsense.

where have you seen JD haters? I can only see many disappointed fans, that try to explain this unexpected? loss.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:12:10
May 26 2011 11:11 GMT
#1311
yeah thks GG,NoRe, you tilted up the thread and disappeared somewhere in the middle) Hope you're ok there.><
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 26 2011 11:14 GMT
#1312
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.


his zvt is better than it's ever been
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1313
vZ: 154-54 (74.04%)

vs

vZ: 86-83 (50.89%)

Zero barely has more games than jaedong wins only lol :D as i thought how much of an advantage can make them play on equal terms i concluded that jaedong must have not played at least a month while zero practiced a shitload and here's what i find in a relation to this thought:

Recently ZerO had almost only practiced zvz because he had calm and hero for opponents beforehand and Jaedong had not even one single opponent zerg in the MSL.

also not to mention that jaedong's zvt is better. zero is very strong zvt too and will be probably rooting for him if flash is against him in the finals. but Zero is the type of player that can only win against flash/hydra in a single ace match in the proleague, and very hard in a bo5

i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T
Enjoy the game
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:21:03
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1314
Wow Jaedong lost?! In a ZvZ?! To Zero?! Now I really wish I had stayed up to watch this.


On May 26 2011 20:19 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T


Better start rooting for Flash then because Flash vs Zero is always epic.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:20:51
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1315
On May 26 2011 20:14 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.

his zvt is better than it's ever been

a little painkiller heh?
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#1316
On May 26 2011 20:19 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
vZ: 154-54 (74.04%)

vs

vZ: 86-83 (50.89%)

Zero barely has more games than jaedong wins only lol :D as i thought how much of an advantage can make them play on equal terms i concluded that jaedong must have not played at least a month while zero practiced a shitload and here's what i find in a relation to this thought:

Recently ZerO had almost only practiced zvz because he had calm and hero for opponents beforehand and Jaedong had not even one single opponent zerg in the MSL.

also not to mention that jaedong's zvt is better. zero is very strong zvt too and will be probably rooting for him if flash is against him in the finals. but Zero is the type of player that can only win against flash/hydra in a single ace match in the proleague, and very hard in a bo5

i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T

on a related note, ZerO had almost no ZvT's lately. X_x Soulkey seems to have "collected" all the games vs Terran on SPL, while ZerO kept getting mostly P's and Z's.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11308 Posts
May 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#1317
Whoa, Zero advances!!! Well, if he goes up against Flash, Zero better not choke or lose.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States407 Posts
May 26 2011 11:24 GMT
#1318
Two semi-finals losses in ZvZ in a row -.-
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 26 2011 11:25 GMT
#1319
On May 26 2011 20:19 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:14 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.

his zvt is better than it's ever been

a little painkiller heh?


do you disagree?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
May 26 2011 11:27 GMT
#1320
while ZerO kept getting mostly P's and Z's.

Flash plays TvT mostly and has wrist problems, so not big difference in setup between them.
Prev 1 64 65 66 67 68 78 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CrankTV Team League
11:00
Crank Gathers S4: Playoffs
LiquipediaDiscussion
Escore
10:00
Season 3 Week 5
escodisco2144
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 178
ProTech61
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 25079
Calm 8026
Horang2 2978
Shuttle 737
Jaedong 715
firebathero 403
BeSt 385
Mini 336
Zeus 315
Snow 187
[ Show more ]
Stork 186
Leta 173
EffOrt 172
Soma 159
Soulkey 151
Larva 150
Mong 145
Mind 94
ZerO 80
Pusan 79
Rush 73
Sharp 62
JulyZerg 58
JYJ 56
hero 53
ToSsGirL 43
Bale 29
Sacsri 24
ZergMaN 22
Sexy 22
scan(afreeca) 19
Barracks 18
sorry 17
sSak 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Noble 5
actioN 0
Dota 2
Gorgc4150
XcaliburYe74
canceldota47
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss1141
Other Games
gofns11966
B2W.Neo522
XBOCT338
Lowko299
Fuzer 238
DeMusliM165
crisheroes137
Pyrionflax125
Liquid`LucifroN69
Mew2King55
ZerO(Twitch)10
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV393
League of Legends
• Jankos1133
• Stunt580
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
4h 36m
Spirit vs sOs
GgMaChine vs Percival
Serral vs MaxPax
OSC
11h 6m
Replay Cast
12h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
16h 36m
RSL Revival
21h 36m
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
23h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 16h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-07-30
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
Escore Tournament S3: W5
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
K-JUNGMAN
Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
Escore Tournament S3: W8
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.