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Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:06:16
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1301
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:02:32
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1302
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
May 26 2011 11:02 GMT
#1303
He's hit by all the pressure from team's league and individual's league, fans expect him to do best in both of them, it simply tire him out... Look at winner's league and recent rounds, Oz hasn't win until Ace...

Another reason I believe, JD prepared ZvZ and not a match against Zero while Zero specifically prepared against JD, that's why JD lost. JD has been strong, and will still be strong, but perhaps not dominate...
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
May 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#1304
Since it's not possible for a Golden Badge showdown, I'll root for ZerO for this MSL. He's been a good kid all along and deserve some recognition.

Plus, I kinda hate Hydra.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
May 26 2011 11:04 GMT
#1305
Well, unexpected results, but Zero now has my full support to go on to win the finals no matter who he faces. Good luck cutie!
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
May 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#1306
On May 26 2011 19:45 Koka-kola wrote:
Jesus you guys, why didn't you show me JD vs Ruby game or a series against Grape? I'm saying so cause I feel so, while watching his games. When JD was in top form his games were all amazing, ALL of them were a top class play. Now I'm getting these 1 of 3-4 games where I don't "wtf JD?". Doesn't it look like a pattern to you? What kind of pattern? JD got worse and its a fucking fact now.

I think it's more of a mental thing. To me at least, I think it really started when he lost that series vs Hydra last MSL semis. That series, he got beaten in muta micro, the aspect that he used to dominate in ZvZ. Ever since, he hasn't seemed the same in ZvZ: less confident, more easily shaken.

That's just my impression, though. I know he'll come back in ZvZ, and JvZ will return once again. He just needs to go take his revenge next round against ZerO and Hydra in muta micro battles.

(And what the heck is with Jaedong and La Mancha? seriously)

I'm incredibly sad about the results. Bad day (or week(s)) ahead.

Congrats to ZerO though. He does deserve to make a finals after all this time. He'd better win in the finals now.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
May 26 2011 11:05 GMT
#1307
On May 26 2011 19:59 geod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:53 Lucumo wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:47 Lucumo wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:47 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:45 RJGooner wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:43 geod wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:32 Eun_Star wrote:
Commentators explained that JD was deciding to go 12 hatch every game because he felt that he needed a bo advantage to win this. He feels that going 12 pool (or was it 11?) is not enough to get him a win. Honestly, JD should have played like Jaedong. Aggressive, mind-blowing, and just better than the way he's playing right now. If this is the end of JD's days, I'll be very sad :<
Come on Jaedong!

Here the word of truth. It's cruel but it is still the fact. JD understood his capacity better than any fanboy. He thought he needed a bo economic advantage to win this. He know his micro is no match for his opponent.


How could you possibly say that. His micro is just as good if not better than Zero's micro.

Not me. Jeadong think that.

Did he say that? Source? If not, how can you look into Jaedong's brain?

Source: commentators and the fact jd 12hatched x 4.Obviously I trust commentators more than fanboys.

You wrote "Jaedong" though and the commentators aren't Jaedong and they are obviously only assuming things. Maybe Jaedong thought that Zero won't 9pool 3 out of 4 games and decided to 12 hatch to catch him but Zero just went through with it and mind-fucked Jaedong. Makes sense, right?

I repeat
Commentators > emotional fanboys

That would be you, since you replaced the commentators with Jaedong to "improve" your statement and spout nonsense. For what purpose? To jump on the "Jaedong is so bad, blabla" bandwagon? To me, it certainly looks that way. And I hate it when people try to sell assumptions as facts and it's even more annoying when they make false statements.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
May 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#1308
On May 26 2011 20:02 gostunv wrote:
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-

I don't see anyone hating on Zero. I just see Jaedong haters being obnoxious and spouting nonsense.
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
May 26 2011 11:09 GMT
#1309
Two MSLs and two Bo5 ZvZ loss - just sad. And I think JD has a better chances to win JvF finals, which makes it even sadder.

Thx GG.NoRe, this LR format (with game by game links) is very convenient.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
May 26 2011 11:10 GMT
#1310
On May 26 2011 20:06 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:02 gostunv wrote:
Seriously. Zero deserves a final appearance just like Sea and FBH. Would it kill you all to not hate on a legitimately good player for getting SOME success? just because the guy your rooting for got bounced by them. -_-

I don't see anyone hating on Zero. I just see Jaedong haters being obnoxious and spouting nonsense.

where have you seen JD haters? I can only see many disappointed fans, that try to explain this unexpected? loss.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:12:10
May 26 2011 11:11 GMT
#1311
yeah thks GG,NoRe, you tilted up the thread and disappeared somewhere in the middle) Hope you're ok there.><
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 26 2011 11:14 GMT
#1312
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.


his zvt is better than it's ever been
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
LRM)TechnicS
Profile Joined May 2008
Bulgaria1565 Posts
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1313
vZ: 154-54 (74.04%)

vs

vZ: 86-83 (50.89%)

Zero barely has more games than jaedong wins only lol :D as i thought how much of an advantage can make them play on equal terms i concluded that jaedong must have not played at least a month while zero practiced a shitload and here's what i find in a relation to this thought:

Recently ZerO had almost only practiced zvz because he had calm and hero for opponents beforehand and Jaedong had not even one single opponent zerg in the MSL.

also not to mention that jaedong's zvt is better. zero is very strong zvt too and will be probably rooting for him if flash is against him in the finals. but Zero is the type of player that can only win against flash/hydra in a single ace match in the proleague, and very hard in a bo5

i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T
Enjoy the game
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:21:03
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1314
Wow Jaedong lost?! In a ZvZ?! To Zero?! Now I really wish I had stayed up to watch this.


On May 26 2011 20:19 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T


Better start rooting for Flash then because Flash vs Zero is always epic.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 11:20:51
May 26 2011 11:19 GMT
#1315
On May 26 2011 20:14 Legatus Lanius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.

his zvt is better than it's ever been

a little painkiller heh?
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
May 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#1316
On May 26 2011 20:19 LRM)TechnicS wrote:
vZ: 154-54 (74.04%)

vs

vZ: 86-83 (50.89%)

Zero barely has more games than jaedong wins only lol :D as i thought how much of an advantage can make them play on equal terms i concluded that jaedong must have not played at least a month while zero practiced a shitload and here's what i find in a relation to this thought:

Recently ZerO had almost only practiced zvz because he had calm and hero for opponents beforehand and Jaedong had not even one single opponent zerg in the MSL.

also not to mention that jaedong's zvt is better. zero is very strong zvt too and will be probably rooting for him if flash is against him in the finals. but Zero is the type of player that can only win against flash/hydra in a single ace match in the proleague, and very hard in a bo5

i kind of feel robbed of a great final now T_T

on a related note, ZerO had almost no ZvT's lately. X_x Soulkey seems to have "collected" all the games vs Terran on SPL, while ZerO kept getting mostly P's and Z's.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11928 Posts
May 26 2011 11:23 GMT
#1317
Whoa, Zero advances!!! Well, if he goes up against Flash, Zero better not choke or lose.
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States409 Posts
May 26 2011 11:24 GMT
#1318
Two semi-finals losses in ZvZ in a row -.-
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/R1CH/Happy2.gif
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
May 26 2011 11:25 GMT
#1319
On May 26 2011 20:19 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 20:14 Legatus Lanius wrote:
On May 26 2011 20:02 Koka-kola wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:51 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On May 26 2011 19:49 champignones wrote:
jd is playing bad why people cant see it, he is like a good zerg now someone who can play outstanding games from time to time, someone who can get close to finals, but unfortunatelly someone who cant win a championship. in 2009 there was no doubt in my mind he was gonna win against anyone you name it he surelly would win, but now you cant say that anymore.

People need to stop confusing "not playing as well as he used to" with "he's played bad".

And is there any logic to differ this? From a fan point of view, he is playing worse than he used to or he is playing bad, does it somehow excuse the fact? I'm said because he lost, not because he played worse than he used to.

his zvt is better than it's ever been

a little painkiller heh?


do you disagree?
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
May 26 2011 11:27 GMT
#1320
while ZerO kept getting mostly P's and Z's.

Flash plays TvT mostly and has wrist problems, so not big difference in setup between them.
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