Also i dunno why people assume that Jaedong won't be able to regain his vZ or vP considering he's done it before, and only just recently got his vT to new heights. Certainly not time to write him off at all, that would be completely stupid. His vP problems are strategic instead of mechanical. And his vZ is probably half strategic problems (12hatch all the time? it's not 14cc!) and half muta micro. It's clearly overcome-able...

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

May 26 2011 12:44 GMT

#1343

Jaedong still has the spark of awesomeness, but you have to admit now that his ZvZ is now officially his worst match-up (ZvT being the strongest).

infinity2k9

United Kingdom2397 Posts

May 26 2011 12:48 GMT

#1344

Yeah definitely, it's not like the turn-around was instant though, there's been a sign of this for ages. I guess it was inevitable that Z's would catch up in this matchup. Between any of the top Zergs you can no longer predict a ZvZ series at all.

I don't think he can ever reach 80% ZvZ again simply because of the improvements of everyone else more than his own skill declining (even though his muta's are noticeably worse).

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

May 26 2011 12:53 GMT

#1345

BTW I also predict Flash taking some desperate measures due to his wrist conditions and his understanding of the fact that it might prevent him from winning. This might be even more dangerous than his standard play, as Flash is known for his mindgames.

gustavohmp

Brazil139 Posts

May 26 2011 12:57 GMT

#1346

The old gods are dying.
I expected Jaedong to lose. Hes been playing supbar and his wins vs T, IN MY OPINION, were Flash's fault rather than Jaedongs skill.
I will not be surprised AT ALL to see Flash failing against Hydra. Simple because Hydra and Zero are arguably the best Zergs out there right now. (Im not much into Zergs, sorry if Im mistaken)
If Flash cant win against Jaedong, he probably wont win against Hydra. Sure, he defeated Hydra in an ace match at PL, but so did Mind, who won the first set as well. So yeah, my body is (unfortunately) ready for another ZvZ finals.

Well, huge props to Zero. My favourite Zerg of all time, I always enjoyed the way he played. I dont like Zerg but he always made vZ matches fun to watch and I cant wait to see him performing in the finals.

Yodo

Russian Federation327 Posts

May 26 2011 13:00 GMT

#1347

I hope JD will help Flash with TvZ practices and avenge himself.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 26 2011 13:02 GMT

#1348

jaedong's tvz is not subpar, it doesnt matter if you discount the flash games or not, he has played really well against other solid terrans. his zvz is struggling, and his zvp just needs a bit of work

you act like the only good vT games he played were vs flash

Velocity`

United Kingdom343 Posts

May 26 2011 13:05 GMT

#1349

Will Jaedong ever get his golden badge? It's taking far too long.

Xinliben

United States931 Posts

May 26 2011 13:07 GMT

#1350

ZERO!!!!!

He is so lovable...

infinity2k9

United Kingdom2397 Posts

May 26 2011 13:13 GMT

#1351

The Golden Badge is for the OSL while this is the MSL though right? He's already got the badge for 3 OSLs. It's just the MSL (which he's lost 3 times now in the finals iirc). 9 finals but unfortunately only 5 wins. It's a shame nobody counts silvers for anything in Starcraft, only winning matters otherwise his record would seem a lot more impressive - especially for a Zerg.

Mooncat

Germany1228 Posts

May 26 2011 13:13 GMT

#1352

3x OSL = Golden Mouse

3x MSL = Golden Badge

infinity2k9

United Kingdom2397 Posts

May 26 2011 13:21 GMT

#1353

Ah right yeah, i got them mixed up, sorry.

Btw for the guy talking about his vT not being that good, it's 22-5 this year. 2 of those losses to Flash and Light so pretty much excusable, and 1 of them being a insane cheese from Reality. So very good record all in all, and impressive games in there.

TRAP[yoo]

Hungary6026 Posts

May 26 2011 13:22 GMT

#1354

WOW ZERO!
time to take a starleague~~~

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

May 26 2011 13:28 GMT

#1355

On May 26 2011 22:00 Yodo wrote:
I hope JD will help Flash with TvZ practices and avenge himself.

oh shit I forgot to include that in my pre-FlashZero analysis

OMFG that's a REALLY bad factor for Zero. X_X

Stop trash-talking Jaedong's ZvT, it's probably the one match-up in which he is close to (or even beyond) perfect.

Legatus Lanius

2135 Posts

May 26 2011 13:37 GMT

#1356

beyond perfect?

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

May 26 2011 13:39 GMT

#1357

Sigh, I just aced my English final, I was like

Then I see 1-3.

:<.

alypse

2784 Posts

May 26 2011 13:40 GMT

#1358

One thing I'm sure about: MBCGame staff are now praying day and night for Flash to win.

_Quasar_

Russian Federation4405 Posts

May 26 2011 13:46 GMT

#1359

On May 26 2011 22:40 alypse wrote:
One thing I'm sure about: MBCGame staff are now praying day and night for Flash to win.

ROFL true

personally I'd like Flash to win. i REALLY want to see Flash vs Zero, we've seen a lot of JD-Flash but this would be a first bo5 ever between Zero and Flash.

shadymmj

1906 Posts

May 26 2011 13:48 GMT

#1360

the fuck? where is my leessangrok? pooooooooof!

as a flash fan, i genuinely am unhappy, because i respect jaedong as his greatest rival. jd makes flash and vice-versa. and if flash loses to hydra, i might ditch the finals and play the sims or something...

well at least ggnore can shut up now.