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micromegas
Profile Joined November 2008
Denmark171 Posts
May 19 2011 10:35 GMT
#941
On May 19 2011 19:32 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 19:19 mevshero wrote:
jaedongs tactic:

getting fast 4 base, doing nothing, pump a shitload of units when grape attacks, doing nothing, pumping units again, defending, doing nothing, 1a2a3a4a5a6a and win

sad game

This is why I can never take zergs who complain about terran mech turtle imba seriously.

Not that I mind this style of zerg strategy. Quite the contrary. It makes for great games, especially when put against a competent opponent. Much better than lair all-ins preferred by many lesser players.


Excactly. Only Jaedong, Soulkey, Zero, sometimes Hydra have the guts (read: skills) to really go for the long games nowadays. It's so much more entertaining and awesome
We need help, the poet reckoned.
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 19 2011 10:35 GMT
#942
On May 19 2011 19:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote:
On May 19 2011 19:23 Mooncat wrote:
On May 19 2011 19:21 Holgerius wrote:
I think the gg came when it came because Grape simply didn't have the proper mindset there, he had lost his confidence, focus and concentration.


100% agreed. I don't think Grape realized how well he was doing. He probably thought all his efforts up to this point were futile, while he actually played very well.

Ya, exactly.

I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght.


Uh, Grape was definitely completely dead when he GGed. There was no way for him to come back from that.

his last attempt at moving out was out of desperation, if he had used those storms for defending he coulda held it off possibly (probally not but the its plausible)
In the woods, there lurks..
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 19 2011 10:35 GMT
#943
To be honest, if you looked at Grape when he entered the Booth, he looked terrified(rightfully so) of Jaedong, the nerves were just getting to him.

I mean you are a rookie, you haven't even played that much and you face int he MSL ro8 one of the staples of TBLS.

That is no joke.
WriterXiao8~~
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
May 19 2011 10:35 GMT
#944
k go hydra cj ftw!
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
May 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#945
On May 19 2011 19:25 Elroi wrote:
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On May 19 2011 19:22 Koka-kola wrote:
fuuuhhh, but I miss good old 9 pool speed JD....
all this sauron tricks...
nice grip Jd, nice grip.

Yeah me too! But seriously Protoss, atleast, look so much more unkillable early game nowdays - if you're not doing all-ins. I don't even remember when I saw a ling run by the last time.

Yes, recent PL games doesn't look like oldschool D/D- ling all-ins, remember guys? And more and more players try to engage into a long macro game with tons of units. No more cheese, more clean mechanics.
I still think that inability to vary his gamestyle can turn out very costly for Jd, it looks like he will eventually lullaby his strategical thinking. It seems like he "ahh, fuck it, I will eventually roll over you anyway, because my mechanics and multitasking is so much better, 3 times doing the same bo. And it doesn't look like he's trying to change anything.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
May 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#946
IMO both games were over when sair/DT failed to damage an early 4 base zerg and said zerg didn't go muta.
mevshero
Profile Joined December 2009
911 Posts
May 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#947
On May 19 2011 19:33 Iplaythings wrote:
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On May 19 2011 19:31 mevshero wrote:
i'm playing broodwar since 2000 and i'm not into sc2, so please stop that.
but yeah yeah, i'm a jd fan, too. just sayin'

I dont care if you invented starcraft, imbalance whining is obnoxious and makes for horrible LR discussions


it's not really whining, but i guess this is probably how a discussion turns out when you critizize one of the jd/flash or bisu and their fanboys
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
May 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#948
Sorry Hydra, I usually root for my zerg brethren, but after group D, you need to be taught your place.

Go Mind!
JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
GG.NoRe
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1051 Posts
May 19 2011 10:36 GMT
#949
Poll: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who will win?

Mind (88)
 
60%

Hydra (59)
 
40%

147 total votes

Your vote: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who will win?

(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Hydra




Poll: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who do you wnt to win?

Mind (91)
 
62%

Hydra (55)
 
38%

146 total votes

Your vote: [C: Mind vs Hydra] Who do you wnt to win?

(Vote): Mind
(Vote): Hydra


DONGJWA!
Arkqn
Profile Joined August 2008
France589 Posts
May 19 2011 10:37 GMT
#950
Hydra has some spider hands
Elena[PaiN]
v3ctor
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada53 Posts
May 19 2011 10:37 GMT
#951
On May 19 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 19:23 Mooncat wrote:
On May 19 2011 19:21 Holgerius wrote:
I think the gg came when it came because Grape simply didn't have the proper mindset there, he had lost his confidence, focus and concentration.


100% agreed. I don't think Grape realized how well he was doing. He probably thought all his efforts up to this point were futile, while he actually played very well.

Ya, exactly.

I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght.


I think it was mainly the fact that Grape really wasn't prepared for late game; he couldn't get the 4 gases necessary to accumulate the reaver/archon deathball. It's definitely something that comes with experience, which Grape doesn't quite have yet
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
May 19 2011 10:38 GMT
#952
I don't know what I want to see more, Hydra lose today or get destroyed by Flash next round.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 19 2011 10:38 GMT
#953
Grape looked like he wanted to GG after every engagement in that last game. 4base P vs. 4base Z, Grape wants to tap out. Keep at it, though. Maybe next time you'll do better
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 10:40:08
May 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#954
On May 19 2011 19:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On May 19 2011 19:28 Lucumo wrote:
Disappointed that Grape always went for Zealots+Sair/DT opening. More variety would have been nice.


I disagree. I actually thought that was one of the more interesting PvZ series in recent memories, particularly because both players opted for the same general strategy/game plan over all the games. It was really interesting to see how each player immediately adapted and adjusted according to what happened the game before. Super cool to see the different understandings and approaches to the matchup from the same general framework.

this is some piece of thought from a person who knows what he's saying..
I wish there could be an A- guru here to explain us the details of the game time after time.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#955
On May 19 2011 19:34 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote:
On May 19 2011 19:23 Mooncat wrote:
On May 19 2011 19:21 Holgerius wrote:
I think the gg came when it came because Grape simply didn't have the proper mindset there, he had lost his confidence, focus and concentration.


100% agreed. I don't think Grape realized how well he was doing. He probably thought all his efforts up to this point were futile, while he actually played very well.

Ya, exactly.

I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght.


Uh, Grape was definitely completely dead when he GGed. There was no way for him to come back from that.

Ya he was, talking about the game in general here.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
May 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#956
On May 19 2011 19:32 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 19:19 mevshero wrote:
jaedongs tactic:

getting fast 4 base, doing nothing, pump a shitload of units when grape attacks, doing nothing, pumping units again, defending, doing nothing, 1a2a3a4a5a6a and win

sad game

This is why I can never take zergs who complain about terran mech turtle imba seriously.

Not that I mind this style of zerg strategy. Quite the contrary. It makes for great games, especially when put against a competent opponent. Much better than lair all-ins preferred by many lesser players.

I'm not gonna say it's imba or anything but I really dislike that style. Most of the time it means the game will be over without anything interesting happening. And it did seem grape gave up way too early. As long as he held the lower left side he was in decent shape. The attack on the main was gone a second after he left lol. It coud have probably gone another ten minutes or so. Anyway Go Mind!
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
May 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#957
Grape must have been seriously gas-starved at the end, he had so many HTs... Still a very good game, solid build.

HYDRA FIGHTING ^^
Broodwar AI :) http://sscaitournament.com http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Main_Page
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
May 19 2011 10:39 GMT
#958
Can't help rooting for Mind, it's been quite a while since he's been in this good a form, and it would be awesome to see him cause some upsets.
BW fighting!
Tippereth
Profile Joined December 2009
United States252 Posts
May 19 2011 10:40 GMT
#959
Go Mind~!
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 19 2011 10:40 GMT
#960
Mind vs Hydra set 2

Map is La Mancha
Hydra in teal at 1 o clock
Mind in yellow at 5 o clock

Overlord heading in the right direction
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
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