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blue001
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:23 qrs wrote: You mean "opposite", or "inverse". No, I actually mean Nemesis. Imagine a Grape vs Fantasy game where Grape is winning, Fantasy refuses to GG because he has 2 SCVs left, and later in the game Grape GGs while having 3 more bases than Fantasy. | ||
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Lucumo
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:24 mevshero wrote: didn't say that, just mean that this game was really painful to watch how toss nearly doesnt have any chance against a super defensive turtling zerg when you don't have the multitasking of a bisu. How in the world does a mediocre protoss losing to Jaedong in the late game = protoss having no chance vs a defensive turtle zerg? Take your retarded balance statements to an sc2 thread. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:28 Lucumo wrote: Disappointed that Grape always went for Zealots+Sair/DT opening. More variety would have been nice. I disagree. I actually thought that was one of the more interesting PvZ series in recent memories, particularly because both players opted for the same general strategy/game plan over all the games. It was really interesting to see how each player immediately adapted and adjusted according to what happened the game before. Super cool to see the different understandings and approaches to the matchup from the same general framework. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:27 cybertopo wrote: No, I actually mean Nemesis. Imagine a Grape vs Fantasy game where Grape is winning, Fantasy refuses to GG because he has 2 SCVs left, and later in the game Grape GGs while having 3 more bases than Fantasy. I thought that Jaedong was toying with Grape for the last 15 mins or so. Every time Grape tryed to go out of his base he just got anihilated. I can understand that he typed out before being formally dead. | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
GOGO. | ||
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mevshero
911 Posts
but yeah yeah, i'm a jd fan, too. just sayin' | ||
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Ubersturmfuhrer
Finland206 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:23 GG.NoRe wrote: NICE. could you do this to all sets? lets include this in the OP I tried to do it for the set 3 as well but I made some mistakes and it looks crappy: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7f3ue.gif) I can do this for the Mind v Hydra games too  Time to do my share for the community. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:30 Elroi wrote: I thought that Jaedong was toying with Grape for the last 15 mins or so. Every time Grape tryed to go out of his base he just got anihilated. I can understand that he typed out before being formally dead. I think it's more attributed to Jaedong playing it super safe. Jaedong never knew exactly what Grape's army consisted of until the very last push by Grape, and if he just a moved all his units, then yes, it's apparent to us that he would've rolled Grape, but from a player's perspective, going against a super late game P and losing your whole army without killing the Protoss usually means the Protoss ball can roll you as a counter. Jaedong knew he was super ahead, but didn't want to throw it away with one silly attack so he just bode his time. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:23 Mooncat wrote: 100% agreed. I don't think Grape realized how well he was doing. He probably thought all his efforts up to this point were futile, while he actually played very well. Ya, exactly. I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:19 mevshero wrote: jaedongs tactic: getting fast 4 base, doing nothing, pump a shitload of units when grape attacks, doing nothing, pumping units again, defending, doing nothing, 1a2a3a4a5a6a and win sad game  This is why I can never take zergs who complain about terran mech turtle imba seriously. Not that I mind this style of zerg strategy. Quite the contrary. It makes for great games, especially when put against a competent opponent. Much better than lair all-ins preferred by many lesser players. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:31 mevshero wrote: i'm playing broodwar since 2000 and i'm not into sc2, so please stop that. but yeah yeah, i'm a jd fan, too. just sayin' I dont care if you invented starcraft, imbalance whining is obnoxious and makes for horrible LR discussions | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote: Ya, exactly. I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght. Uh, Grape was definitely completely dead when he GGed. There was no way for him to come back from that. | ||
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GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
- Identical games from Set 2 til Set 4 - Players adapt as the games/set progress - Match Winner takes the loser to unknown depths in mental fortitude, loser surrenders | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13063 Posts
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On May 19 2011 19:32 Holgerius wrote: Ya, exactly. I do this all the time when I'm playing vs someone on Iccup that I know has a much higher rank than me. No matter how well I'm actually playing I still just feel despair and that I'm ultimately going to lose no matter what. Then I go back, watch the rep and realize ''Hey, if had just remained focused I would've actually been in a decent spot here!''. I think that was Grape's big problem in the last game; his mental strenght. He'll get stronger as he goes along, I don't blame him though. I mean all his attacks were dealt with, and they were spectacular attacks with great storms etc, but it just seems like he never had enough steam to break through JD's army and defenses, would have chipped away at his confindence | ||
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