Obviously hoping for a an SKT win, but maybe Stork will come back after this series. He's been on an uninspiring streak lately. Oh and awesome banner from disciple.
And i hope Stork wins his game =/ Unless he meet Bisu ofc Dx
Samsung and MBC = my 2nd fav teams in Proleagues, really difficult to root whole-heartedly in games like these (though recently i like Stars too, almost as much as i do Samsung x).. until Zero beat Bisu that is >:[)
Should be some epic games tonight, but I'm thinking SKT is going to take it. Regardless of the outcome though, I'm predicting a great night of StarCraft.
By the way, where the hell is the Stork/Bisu interview from which that banner picture is from?? I figured I'd reread it to get some BvS hype, but no combination of bisu/stork/taekbang/interview in the search bar is giving me any luck.
On May 08 2011 10:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: By the way, where the hell is the Stork/Bisu interview from which that banner picture is from?? I figured I'd reread it to get some BvS hype, but no combination of bisu/stork/taekbang/interview in the search bar is giving me any luck.
This is where I want to have Stork beat Bisu and then Fantasy. Stork have been doing average for month. Ugh, why doesn't have Stork have that killer instinct that Jaedong and Flash possess?
On May 08 2011 10:03 erin[go]bragh wrote: By the way, where the hell is the Stork/Bisu interview from which that banner picture is from?? I figured I'd reread it to get some BvS hype, but no combination of bisu/stork/taekbang/interview in the search bar is giving me any luck.
I'm currently trying to think of any reason why MBC is so unusually full The only thing that comes to mind is that Korean summer vac is nearing and college exams (exclusive to Korea) have just finished. No idea otherwise. But I'm not complaining
nasl is incredible right now (like the only time i actually wanna watch sc2 too ;_;)
fox vs cj is pretty interesting too...
NOOO i have only two screens, me am cry
hoping to see some HYUKING
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On May 08 2011 13:05 dukethegold wrote: Looking at the rankings, the competition for rank 6 is extraordinary. SKT and KT are head to head. However, with the normal format, I have little doubt SKT will maintain its lead.
ACE is screwed though. No way it will make it for the playoff.
just the fact that's even fathomable is pretty awesome for the guys though
Looking at the rankings, the competition for rank 6 is extraordinary. SKT and KT are head to head. However, with the normal format, I have little doubt SKT will maintain its lead.
ACE is screwed though. No way it will make it for the playoff.
Should be an interesting match-up. Turn's definitely an interesting Terran to watch, and will BeSt be in sufficient form to repel such an aggressive Terran?
Ebay going up, Best getting his own third up now, three vultures are just chilling there, nexus goes up, vultures nab the probe goons arriving to defend
Armory in mid construction
Looks like best may have taken his fourth? down at 5 Best closing the nat entrance with some pylons and another gateway
Stream back and there's a lot of blue goo everywhere and still a lot of tanks left
Turn has 1-1 upgrades on his metal army Goons are retreating but here comes a train of zealots to meet up with the goons. Still it appears Best is saving his units for the next confrontation
Arbiter out, so is a vessel Turn loses some of his army on the east side of the map, meanwhile Best is consolidating his army
More gates added to Best's production line, can't tell how many at this point Looks like 12 is gone Best has 3 though, vultures getting in to raid the line but zealots are there to defend
Sci vessel goes down to goons fire, vultures laying mines around, tanks are seiged and turn is holding his ground, best loses his observer, second observer arrives and he begins clearing mines
Turn might have his fifth up as there's a yellow dot at the 9 o clock expo
Best engages again, no stasis, a lot of zealots running into that tank line! vultures desperately trying to kill zealots Best has sooooooooooo many units! Overwhelming Turn's army completely! only a few vultures remain
3 o clock being raided again, a few probes die, meanwhile a train line of probes moving to 3 o clock are hit by a single vulture, a few probes die there
Turn saving up a cloud of vessels in his base. vultures laying mines near Best's nat , his mineral only base is now under attack by vultures, but the pylon wall mitigates some of the damage
Best is always running into mines..his observer placement leaves much to be desired. Perhaps this is how he has the edge over other macro protoss (i.e., instead of placing obs he just macros units).
Man, I can't help but think BeSt was a little naieve at the beginning there. When he was denied scouting information he had to expect an early push. I mean it's Turn you're playing!
He did well to survive the initial aggression, but after that he was always behind, and Turn's constant aggression meant that BeSt was always playing reactively.
On May 08 2011 13:56 aupstar wrote: Best is always running into mines..his observer placement leaves much to be desired. Perhaps this is how he has the edge over other macro protoss (i.e., instead of placing obs he just macros units).
Yeah, he could definitely learn obs placement from Stork. After downloading Stork replays and stuying them I was really impressed to note that he pretty much always had them when and where necessary. It's huge in PvT, especially as things start to get chaotic in the midgame.
Turn made the right choice by double expanding right after the push.
Turn knows that BeSt did not have the economy to sustain a push after so many probe losses. So he double expanded and stayed ahead, despite Best's natural survived.
On May 08 2011 14:00 dukethegold wrote: Turn made the right choice by double expanding right after the push.
Turn knows that BeSt did not have the economy to sustain a push after so many probe losses. So he double expanded and stayed ahead, despite Best's natural survived.
Agreed. Also I think another key moment was when Turn pushed and took out the 12'oclock I think it was. He'd just won an engagement and then chose to be aggressive and capitalise on that win.
On May 08 2011 14:07 c3rberUs wrote: Broodwar, where fantasy meets reality.
hahaha
Fantasy getting his second factory up, he's also taking his nat
meanwhile reality ha his nat up, he's adding a second factory, he's got a bunker infront of his nat, stopping fantasy's vulture from getting in, he's blocked off his entrance with a rax too
reality adding a second starport, he has a thin tank line defending his fourth, fantasy on the offensive vulture raid at 1, reality with the counter vulture raid at 3
Fantasy has another Cc somewhere but I can't tell where on the map maybe 7?
Reality with some cloaked wraiths hitting on some of fanta's tanks, fanta bringing in his own rwraiths
Geeeez fantasy must have killed a lot of scvs at reality's 1 o clock because it's still there
Fantasy's 3 o clock under seige, he loses a bunch of scvs defending against the tanks. Reality bringing in more tanks to put pressure on that 3 o clock
cloaked wraiths attacking reality;s tanks
LOL Fantays lifting his 7 o clock CC only to be attacked by a turret, CC goes down
Seems Fantasy won due to his stubborn production of Wraithes.
Eventually he managed to obtain air control. Once that was achieved, Fantasy used the wraith to pick off lone goliathes, sniping tanks and forcing Reality's tanks to unsiege.
As a result, Reality's force diminish over the course of the game as he failed to obtain any solid anti-air after his initial air force was destroyed (no idea how, due to two buffers every 30 seconds). Fantasy abused the wraith to gain map control and tank advantage.
Mutas have poped out for s2 2 more rax being added for sharp (4) Hydra den finished for s2 Marine stops a drone form expanding, s2 sends out another, but the marine is still there, mutas arrive to wipe out that single marine
1 lurker down as sharp realises, Hive tech incoming for s2, his trhid is up and running
scv up at 1 checking out if that fourth is coming up
evo chamber in the making meanwhile sharp has his starport and sci facility built
4 lurkers unburrow and inch forward towards the mnm force, mnm side step the lurkers and surround them along with the aid of tanks. Lurkers are all down, but not before taking out a few marines
scourge out, defiler mound morphing in as Hive finishes
T moving towards nat of Z Z has a few lurkers to stall Z tries to snipe vessel but loses alot of mutas Drop INC engangement happening, Vessel gets sniped tank + marine drop in s2 main, taking out drones no tech lost, drop cleaned up
On May 08 2011 14:48 DoX.) wrote: S2 if you pull through i will forever worship you
hahaha
sharp moving towards the nat, he has a large force of mnm and a few tanks, his vessel leading way
a large number of lurkers/zerglings and mutas engage, lurkers burrow! mnm back away
drop at the main with tanks and mnm, drones are dying, only 1 muta defending, here come some lings. they remove the force inside the main and mining resumes
No fourth up for s2 swaaaaaarm, dropship in the main yet again, zerglings are there now to repel the attack scourge hits the dropship, at least 6 marines still there, killing drones! lurker arrives with lings, all drones are dead as the marines are microed!
Lurkers running into mines, sharp keeping up the pressure, another evo chamber morphing swarms all over the map as lurkers march forward into the mnm and tank army.
Looks like sharp has made quite a few vultures, he's mining up at s2's third sharp getting his third up at 7
vultures attack the ramp at 3, hydras are there and they take care of the vultures easily
fight for the middle of the map, mnm attack the lurkers, but swarm goes up, scourge fly into the vessel but it doesn't die
ERASERS over the mineral line in the main, drones are running. OH this is killing a lot of drones
s2 in a world of trouble as the erasers kill both the main and nat drones only his third is running
sharp has two armory's spinning, he has more vultures out and has made the mech transition s2 getting that fourth up at 3.5 Lurkers trying to halt some vulture movement with the aid of swarm
scourge knocking out another vessel sharp taking his fourth base at 11
Sharp really sucks at multitasking. Great idea to elevator to the main, but then lets the vultures autoattack buildings instead of going for all the drones.
dmatrixed dropship dropping vults in the main, scourge hit with little effect
vultures killing lings as they arrive to defend, some drones are dead now
drones and lings attacking the vulture, but sharp isn't done with the drops, he's dropping goliaths and vults into the main now, sunken going up to help defend
scourge finally taking out that dropship
Another CC in the making at 6.5
2 speed lords heading for that 7 o clock, lurker dropped as one overlord is sniped, marines making short work of that drop though
meanwhile it looks like s2's fourth is under some marine pressure
vultures getting in on that fourth, overlord drop at 11, lings and lurkers force sharp to lift his CC at 11
mech army arriving at s2's nat, tanks seige up! lurkers still in their eggs, they're done! they move backwards and try to burrow, a few die in the process, scourge nab some vessels!
A lot of tanks hitting that nat, no defense to be seen! NYDUS DOWN, hydras can't get there now!
I guess s2 will gg any second now, then Bisu will come out, hopefully make this series closer... and then if SKT can somehow win a third game, we'll field Fantasy or Bisu as an Ace :-/
On May 08 2011 15:00 Taekwon wrote: biu vs stork for the night ender...
You think Khan will send Stork out now or in Round 6? I don't think they have much pressure, and I think they'll be in better shape if they have Stork play against the non-Bisu player.
If it somehow goes to an ace, Bisu vs. Stork would be amazing though SKT may field Fantasy for that though.
I'm thinking Khan will probably send out someone to go against Bisu. Probably will save Stork so I'm leaning Grape. Maybe Great, but I wouldn't see how they would like to send a Z vs Bisu....
And January goes ahead and sends out Great anyways.
I think Samsung will take the series, SKT is having big trouble now. And January is probably sad now because her attempt of trolling everyone by sending rookies against SKT has failed lol (because the rookies won)
On May 08 2011 15:14 Spica wrote: That Bisu drawing is wrong
Nose not big enough
i think it was like last week when some fan put up a bisu drawing and one of the commentators were like "the nose should be bigger" during commentary and they were like "oh you're so sharp pointing out things like that"
On May 08 2011 15:14 Spica wrote: That Bisu drawing is wrong
Nose not big enough
i think it was like last week when some fan put up a bisu drawing and one of the commentators were like "the nose should be bigger" during commentary and they were like "oh you're so sharp pointing out things like that"
Lmfao dem commentators, always complimenting each other, it almost makes me sick hearing how much they fawn over each other sometimes, loool.
adun warped in, temp archive coming soon sunkens are being placed at the third, 2 to be exact. Lings are there too as back up zealots arrive but turn away after seeing lings and sunkens.
Great takes his fourth at 4
Zealots change directions and head for the nat, 2 zealots are sniped in the middle of the map by renegade zerglings
1 dt just chilling at the nat, finally moves out. Bisu building up his sair count
On May 08 2011 15:14 Spica wrote: That Bisu drawing is wrong
Nose not big enough
i think it was like last week when some fan put up a bisu drawing and one of the commentators were like "the nose should be bigger" during commentary and they were like "oh you're so sharp pointing out things like that"
Lmfao dem commentators, always complimenting each other, it almost makes me sick hearing how much they fawn over each other sometimes, loool.
you kind of have to cause you have to create a good atmosphere
earlier this season the OGN commentators were ripping on each other and it was terrible to listen to until themarine came back and showed us why he's considered the best commentator
On May 08 2011 15:14 Spica wrote: That Bisu drawing is wrong
Nose not big enough
i think it was like last week when some fan put up a bisu drawing and one of the commentators were like "the nose should be bigger" during commentary and they were like "oh you're so sharp pointing out things like that"
Lmfao dem commentators, always complimenting each other, it almost makes me sick hearing how much they fawn over each other sometimes, loool.
you kind of have to cause you have to create a good atmosphere
earlier this season the OGN commentators were ripping on each other and it was terrible to listen to until themarine came back and showed us why he's considered the best commentator
It's a bit disgusting sometimes though, at least imo ~___~
INC drop play, gets spotted by borrwed ling dont know if Z saw lings coming back to main SCOURGES get like 2 corsairs more ferrying into zergs main only a few mutas to defend ALL Mutas dead
Great got word of the shuttle and sends zerglings there as well as his air force, shuttle survives and drops, lings are dead, mutas are around still, the sunkens make it hard for bisu to harass
Bisu killing mutas and scourge with his large sair count More lings arrive to combat those zealots
Sunkens are down, archon loaded into shuttle! this drop is proving effective!
defiler mound finished! great rebuilding some sunkens
bisu continues to ferry units with 1 shuttle archone in the game ZEALOTS wrekong hydras stalkers move to middle of map stops reinforcements from getting into zergs main harrass gets cleaned up
Z coutering 4th but 4 templars clean up P has map control and moving towards nat swarm goes off under hydras vs zealots lol plagues goes off STORM kills all ings looks over NYDUS goes down
Bisu moving his forces a head at great's third! plague yet again !
storms over the lurkers, Bisu is mowing down units! Great sending more from his main, he's also setting up a nydus Bisu unable to break that third though
meanwhile Great diverts units to take out bisu's inner 10, no good though as storms tear apart everything
Sairs just sitting idly by as hydras attack them, bisu sending his units forward towards Great's main
Another plague over Bisu's units, storm over the canal as units come out! OMG soo many dead zerg units
uh oh.... stork incoming... who on SKT will stop him??? Please SKT one more win and then we'll have a Fantasy Stork OSL rematch or a TaekBaeng match!!!!
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
Yes, and great made a rookie mistake there a-moving instread of clumping up below it. He couldve killed 4-5 of it. Anyway could someone please translate...
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
yer, i initially thought he was just letting it get some shields back, but it was never utilised again. hmm
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
Unlike other games, his sairs got plagued this game. Pretty risky to be his usual active self with them when they run risk of dying so quick.
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
Yes, and great made a rookie mistake there a-moving instread of clumping up below it. He couldve killed 4-5 of it. Anyway could someone please translate...
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
The majority of the OLs by the late game weren't anywhere close to being outside their natural hatecheries - where spores and hydras were clumped to defend them. Grea had no choice put to plce them in that position because he got early hives and didn't get OL speed. The elevator helped delay it some more. Recall that the OL were all stormed in one pile.
Bisu had already scouted that there were no further bases so he used his corsairs to stick on the ramps outside the respective naturals, first at the 1-2 center connecting ramp than later, the 4-5 center connecting ramp to see the unit composition and reinforcement timings. This was why Bisu was able to moderate his storm usage.
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
Yes, and great made a rookie mistake there a-moving instread of clumping up below it. He couldve killed 4-5 of it. Anyway could someone please translate...
On May 08 2011 15:36 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Loved that elevator action at 12'oclock. I didn't think it was going to amount to much, but persistence ftw.
In many ways it was a typical BvZ, though it's unlike Bisu to leave his Sairs just chilling doing nothing for that long.
Unlike other games, his sairs got plagued this game. Pretty risky to be his usual active self with them when they run risk of dying so quick.
Yep, agree while the shields were down. But what confused me was that after they'd regenerated he still didn't use them. Anyway, I'm sure he had his reasons (maybe).
On May 08 2011 15:46 starfish wrote: man i hate january so much, she has bad decision making skills
What in the world does a 5 pool have to do with January's decision to try and secure a 4-2 victory with Khan's top player?
cause jan should of sent out stork instead of great, when bisu's inc was obvious? aka zerg destroyer? maybe if that happened, the game wouldnt go that far?
On May 08 2011 15:49 Release wrote: ACE match? The OP only shows 5 sets with the last one being soo vs stork. Shouldn't it be set 6? I've been watching fox vs CJ
On May 08 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote: Yea, scouting after pylon has so many more advantages. That was Stork's fault.
He assumed Soo was going to overpool since it's a 2p map. Against predictable zergs who just overpool every game, delaying probe scout and forge at 12 rapes them hard early game and gives sick advantage.
On May 08 2011 15:52 thestool91 wrote: Can someone explain where storked fucked that up please? haha thanks :p
He should have scouted after pylon instead of after the forge His probe micro could have been better, but soo's zergling micro was good, and he was intend on killing the probes instead of getting to the cannon
On May 08 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote: Yea, scouting after pylon has so many more advantages. That was Stork's fault.
He assumed Soo was going to overpool since it's a 2p map. Against predictable zergs who just overpool every game, delaying probe scout and forge at 12 rapes them hard early game and gives sick advantage.
However, it loses to 9pool and lower so lol.
It also loses to 12 hatch too. But I get your point (guess who else is a zerg that overpools every game).
On May 08 2011 15:46 starfish wrote: man i hate january so much, she has bad decision making skills
What in the world does a 5 pool have to do with January's decision to try and secure a 4-2 victory with Khan's top player?
cause jan should of sent out stork instead of great, when bisu's inc was obvious? aka zerg destroyer? maybe if that happened, the game wouldnt go that far?
January most likely didn't want to take the risk of a anti-snipe prediction. Given Stork's current vZ condition, she probably thought a ZvZ would've been the best choice. Either way, she would've though Neo Aztec would've given Great chance if she were wrong. In which case, it would be detrimental otherwise for Stork's case. Of course, he did lose on alternative but that was assuming her prediction was correct and great lost a zvz anyways.
On May 08 2011 15:55 kamikami wrote: Park failed, Fantasy is Terran, and Stork is Terran killer. At least send some Hyuk to snipe him.
To be fair, Fantasy did defeat Stork in rather dominating fashion before... I'm so conflicted. On one hand, SKT's my fav team. But Stork is also one of my favorite toss -_-
I hope the fantasy naysayers realize he is one of the few players that have a win on his team right now, not to mention stork just took a terrible loss to soo.
On May 08 2011 15:55 kamikami wrote: Park failed, Fantasy is Terran, and Stork is Terran killer. At least send some Hyuk to snipe him.
Park got the best match-up he could hope for really. January was never going to send Great with the threat of Bisu, so she had to send Stork given his PvT and PvP vs Bisu.
Fanta's TvP is also his strength, so I think Park did about as good as he could. Other than sending Hyuk ofc
On May 08 2011 15:57 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: I hope the fantasy naysayers realize he is one of the few players that have a win on his team right now, not to mention stork just took a terrible loss to soo.
There's quite a difference between Stork's PvT and his PvZ.
On May 08 2011 15:57 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: I hope the fantasy naysayers realize he is one of the few players that have a win on his team right now, not to mention stork just took a terrible loss to soo.
There's quite a difference between Stork's PvT and his PvZ.
its not about his statistics, its about his current mental state, you would be pissed too if you just lost to that.
This is what I love about SKT1. There's never a point where we have to rely on just one player/ace (early WL doesn't count cause Fantasy was being Fantasy). We have Bisu for Z and P aces (minus Stork, who makes better decisions in the matchup as of now), Best for T aces, and Fantasy for every matchup (even Z, with a prepared build on the map). If CJ and Woongjin (and even WeMade) are deeper in the normal matches, we at least have the ace match advantage nearly every time.
On May 08 2011 15:57 scyper wrote: im confused. where's game 6?
Game 6 was Bisu vs Great, with Bisu winning.
what O_o game 5 was bisu/great and game 6 was soo/stork (soo auto TLPDizes always wrong, into a protoss player, maybe to do it right you need to write "n.Die_soO")
On May 08 2011 15:55 kamikami wrote: Park failed, Fantasy is Terran, and Stork is Terran killer. At least send some Hyuk to snipe him.
To be fair, Fantasy did defeat Stork in rather dominating fashion before... I'm so conflicted. On one hand, SKT's my fav team. But Stork is also one of my favorite toss -_-
I know right? I just want Stork lose to Zerg but win over Fantasy. Why Fantasy-Stork must be the ACE match???
On May 08 2011 15:57 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: I hope the fantasy naysayers realize he is one of the few players that have a win on his team right now, not to mention stork just took a terrible loss to soo.
There's quite a difference between Stork's PvT and his PvZ.
its not about his statistics, its about his current mental state, you would be pissed too if you just lost to that.
And you have no idea how different people respond to different situations. no point trying to psychoanalyze.
4 fac timing push coming CUTTING SCVS this is going to be huge since P triple expanded NO SCVS on nat gas SCV sees 3rd STORK IS GONNA GET CAUGHT OFF GUARD
3rd CC in the making T streaming heaps of vultures harrass from t seems to have ended seige is done and reaver harass INC 3rd gets walled off before runbuy
GOLLIATHS SPAWN UNDER SHUTTLE AND GETS IT LOSES REAVER T moving out to get into postion to def 3rd ZEAL BOMB takes 2 tanks 2 VULTS run buy into main P blocks off to mineral line with pylons
t up to 6 facs storks army run into 2 MINES tank siege up on high ground vulters at 7.5 almost taken down one pylon of the wall DT spawns and takes out vultures ~12 gates up for p
ZEALOTs and SPEEd done DT almost drags mines into tanks T seiges up on high ground outside of Ps nat P moves around but T sieges in a FUCKING AESOME position behind cluff ZEALOT BOMBS TAKES OUT 5 TANKS P LOSES ALOT OF UNITS
TANKS SEIGE UP OUTSIDE OF NAT THIRD GETTING SHELLED LOW VULT COUNT THOUGH WAITING FOR TEMPLAR STORM T FORCED TO UNSIEGE FROM ZEAL DROP T EXPANDING TO 4
On May 08 2011 16:23 Holgerius wrote: That was some sick play by Fantasy, but I'm very impressed by the fact that Stork actually made a game out of that. Stork is awesome.
On May 08 2011 16:23 Holgerius wrote: That was some sick play by Fantasy, but I'm very impressed by the fact that Stork actually made a game out of that. Stork is awesome.
Yeah, that was auto-GG for any other toss. Stork is awesome!
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Sorry, it was well deserved and amazing
The only SKT player who earned his win today was Bisu. Fantasy won his two games thanks to catastrophic failure by his opponents.
And this somehow means that its undeserved? And Stork did not fail miserably, he played quite amazingly after all, and if it would been any luck with drops it could be either way around.
edit, just to clarify, I think if player plays really bad and wins with gimmick, thats undeserved, not other way around.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Sorry, it was well deserved and amazing
The only SKT player who earned his win today was Bisu. Fantasy won his two games thanks to catastrophic failure by his opponents.
didn't see the first 3-4 sets, but Soo did a fantastic read on Stork's style, which is be greedy as FUCK. That's stork's own damn fault for not taking the NORMAL precautions, but trying to be incredibly greedy instead.. didn't see most of the ace tho..
On May 08 2011 16:30 ShadeR wrote: Take solace in the fact that SKT had to gamble on a 5pool to get here T.T
A big gamble at that, if Stork blocked it (and I remember that time where he blocked some zergling attack without any probe loss) it would have been over for us right there
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Sorry, it was well deserved and amazing
The only SKT player who earned his win today was Bisu. Fantasy won his two games thanks to catastrophic failure by his opponents.
And this somehow means that its undeserved? And Stork did not fail miserably, he played quite amazingly after all, and if it would been any luck with drops it could be either way around.
Stork did not play amazingly. I can't believe the praise he is getting for failing so hard versus Fantasy.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I said it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Could have been worse. But then again, you were the guy who said:
On May 08 2011 16:24 J1.au wrote: The game really wasn't that good. Stork was throwing away shuttles and running his units into mines. Yawn.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Sorry, it was well deserved and amazing
The only SKT player who earned his win today was Bisu. Fantasy won his two games thanks to catastrophic failure by his opponents.
Dude, Stork played pretty damn well in the ace game. Considering the build orders and the way Fantasy played it was quite a feat that he didn't just straight up die. Sure, he made some mistakes such as suiciding his shuttle for nothing and running into some mines, but overall Stork doesn't deserve any shit for that game.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Sorry, it was well deserved and amazing
The only SKT player who earned his win today was Bisu. Fantasy won his two games thanks to catastrophic failure by his opponents.
Dude, Stork played pretty damn well in the ace game. Considering the build orders and the way Fantasy played it was quite a feat that he didn't just straight up die. Sure, he made some mistakes such as suiciding his shuttle for nothing and running into some mines, but overall Stork doesn't deserve any shit for that game.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I said it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Could have been worse. But then again, you were the guy who said:
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I said it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Could have been worse. But then again, you were the guy who said:
On May 08 2011 16:24 J1.au wrote: The game really wasn't that good. Stork was throwing away shuttles and running his units into mines. Yawn.
I guess when the commentators shout a lot you think the game is amazing.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I said it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Could have been worse. But then again, you were the guy who said:
On May 08 2011 16:24 J1.au wrote: The game really wasn't that good. Stork was throwing away shuttles and running his units into mines. Yawn.
I guess when the commentators shout a lot you think the game is amazing.
Let's skip all the bullcrap. The commentators were breaking their throats, the audience was enthusiastic, the explosions were non-stop. What's not to like?
I am sick of nitpicking. I enjoy SC cuz I enjoy SC.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I disagree.
That push towards Stork's nat was absolutely crucial. Had Stork defended before Fanta could set up his siege there (and Fantasy needed perfect macro/reinforcements and army control to pull that off), Stork would've been in a comfortable lead with 4 base vs 3 plus map control.
This was the deciding moment of the game and it could definitely have turned out otherwise with even one mismicro/rally/whatever on Fanta's part.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I disagree.
That push towards Stork's nat was absolutely crucial. Had Stork defended before Fanta could set up his siege there (and Fantasy needs perfect macro/reinforcements and army control to pull that off), Stork would've been in a comfortable lead with 4 base vs 3 plus map control.
This was the deciding moment of the game and it could definitely have turned out otherwise with even one mismicro/rally/whatever on Fanta's part.
All the HTs that Fanta sniped were incredibly crucial too. The push could easily have been broken if Stork could have gotten more than 1 storm off too.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I said it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Could have been worse. But then again, you were the guy who said:
On May 08 2011 16:24 J1.au wrote: The game really wasn't that good. Stork was throwing away shuttles and running his units into mines. Yawn.
I guess when the commentators shout a lot you think the game is amazing.
That game was amazing due to epic vulture play by the Terran and ridiculous contain breaking by the Protoss. It also features non-stop multiple battle all across the map. Many of Stork fans here already posted that Stork played brillantly and any other Protoss would have died to the first attack.
Coupled with your earlier posts in this thread I can only assume that the game was not amazing for you because it didn't "help" KT in the ranking race and you didn't even care if the players played good or not, the only thing that matters is it helps KT or not, typical human (Terran lol) behavior.
On May 08 2011 16:30 Spica wrote: Great ace match. Definitely a recommended game since it wasn't too much of a 1-sided roll. Good to see Fantasy keeping his promise of doing better.
Thanks to all the awesome streamers and to dukethegold for making the thread! Hellz yeeeah SKT~
That game was actually pretty one-sided... I don't know what you were all watching.
I disagree.
That push towards Stork's nat was absolutely crucial. Had Stork defended before Fanta could set up his siege there (and Fantasy needs perfect macro/reinforcements and army control to pull that off), Stork would've been in a comfortable lead with 4 base vs 3 plus map control.
This was the deciding moment of the game and it could definitely have turned out otherwise with even one mismicro/rally/whatever on Fanta's part.
All the HTs that Fanta sniped were incredibly crucial too. The push could easily have been broken if Stork could have gotten more than 1 storm off too.
Yep true that. Especially since Fanta didn't really spread his tanks so well (but that might've been because he knew he sniped so many HTs, who knows).
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
And really people, no one enjoys it when their favorite team/player loses, but to spout insults and try to take anything away from the winning players is just childish and petty. Take that crap to the SC2 LR threads, because I'm here to enjoy StarCraft, win or lose.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
No, they certainly didn't deserve to win the way they were playing. Nor did SKT, since they got the victory cheap.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
No, they certainly didn't deserve to win the way they were playing. Nor did SKT, since they got the victory cheap.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
No, they certainly didn't deserve to win the way they were playing. Nor did SKT, since they got the victory cheap.
You're trying so hard to troll right now.
Not as much as I'm venting my frustration with Stork's form.
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
No, they certainly didn't deserve to win the way they were playing. Nor did SKT, since they got the victory cheap.
You're trying so hard to troll right now.
Not as much as I'm venting my frustration with Stork's form.
Guys, its the glasses. Once Stork pull them out again, he will be back as the dinosaur.
On May 08 2011 16:23 Holgerius wrote: That was some sick play by Fantasy, but I'm very impressed by the fact that Stork actually made a game out of that. Stork is awesome.
Yeah, that was auto-GG for any other toss. Stork is awesome!
You must not have seen that Bisu vs Flash game =x... Goons micro at its finest
On May 08 2011 16:24 okum wrote: Good lord. It's as if it's a parody of Stork playing.
SKT gets away with another undeserved victory.
Okay genius by your logic I would say almost if not all wins in the history of Starcraft were undeserved because the loser could have always done things differently and not lose the game.
As I already said, Bisu played great and deserved to win. His team mates won more due to Khan players' inability to win games than their own doing (granted, Fantasy did well in the ace match, but the damage was already done letting it get there, and Stork messed up pretty badly in the ace match as well).
So the Khan players were incapable of winning, and therefore deserved to win?
No, they certainly didn't deserve to win the way they were playing. Nor did SKT, since they got the victory cheap.
So you would only be happy with a draw. Well, you got the closest result to a draw that is possible.
Fantasy trolling his fans hard convincing them he's in major slump, and than terminates his nemesis like that. And than sucks again. And amaze again. And sucks again... etc.
Stork in the other hand is playing like monster for a time...and than starting to suck and choke and disapoint. Seriously, WTF was that? I know that everybody may lost to 5pool like that, but what is this shitty performance this week? So many fails I dont even...
I'm not really an anti-fan but someone that has always been annoyed at how lacking in focus Stork is. He's like a boxing-glove-in-a-box: you are excited that you're being given such an awesome looking gift only to get punched in the face and punished for your anticipation.
He's far too often an amazing player and an awful player in the same game. Really, after the years you just assume after some really amazing play, he's going to do something stupid like fly his shuttle straight into turrets or panic and forget to bring observers with him for whatever reason (is it nerves?).
Tell me how often have you been rewarded for your faith in Stork? At least Fantasy puts out amazing results when given time to prepare.
On May 08 2011 20:15 hitthat wrote: Fantasy trolling his fans hard convincing them he's in major slump, and than terminates his nemesis like that. And than sucks again. And amaze again. And sucks again... etc.
Meh. Being a Fantasy fan I don't really expect him to perform awesomely 90% of the time.
It's like following a flawed hero - because of his preparation, he's capable of pulling off all sorts of stuff when he's at his best, as good or possibly better than Flash. There's the series play mindgames and truly bizarre builds that confuse me...until it pays off. There's the absurd vulture harass, and his top tier TvP, something terrans that aren't Flash can brag about. And he keeps getting advantageous BOs somehow - it might be anecdotal evidence but it seems like he keeps getting BO wins or heads into the midgame with a nice advantage more often than not, which speaks about his solid preparation.
And then he throws away games. Or his crafted build order fails miserably. Or he just falls apart. He's not nearly as bad as Canata was but it keeps happening. I mean I kinda care but not really - I'm not sure if this can be fixed, and despite his flaws he still brings enough crazy shit to the table that I don't really mind whether or not he loses, as long as I see those occasional strokes of brilliance.
On May 09 2011 01:54 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me or is T1 starting to look unstable, they do win but not at all convincingly as before, they have had alot of ace matches already.
Usually in situations like this, one sweeping defeat can kill the whole team because they believe they can claw their way back at least to an ace match. Their defeat against woongjin wasn't a sweeping defeat because it went to Ace.
On May 09 2011 01:54 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me or is T1 starting to look unstable, they do win but not at all convincingly as before, they have had alot of ace matches already.
A traditionally weak Zerg line-up, an inconsistent fantasy, a recovering Best, and Bisu not being able to win 100% of his matches are all reasons why SKT loses. It's surprising they have been winning as much as they have been, although the margins make it evident how that happens. At almost any point it is likely that 2 of the above 4 players/groups are not getting wins, which results in losses/ace matches.
On May 09 2011 01:54 Kipsate wrote: Is it just me or is T1 starting to look unstable, they do win but not at all convincingly as before, they have had alot of ace matches already.
A traditionally weak Zerg line-up, an inconsistent fantasy, a recovering Best, and Bisu not being able to win 100% of his matches are all reasons why SKT loses. It's surprising they have been winning as much as they have been, although the margins make it evident how that happens. At almost any point it is likely that 2 of the above 4 players/groups are not getting wins, which results in losses/ace matches.
Soo's been winning most of his matches recently, but the same can't be said for other SKT Zergs. Watching SKT recently is like watching Brett Favre throw the football: You never know what the result will be, but it will always be exciting.
Khan gotta tell Obama to send some US SEALS to South Korea, cause that's the only way they gonna stop the Jung Laden!
And it wasn't really Stork anit-fans during his silver era, but people who rooted for him to get to finals and then rooted for him to fail out of a sense of tradition and amusement.
I thought Fantasy's build was really good imo. Don't know if I've seen it before, but I haven't watched too many progames so it's likely. ><
A 1rax FE would convince a toss like Stork to get greedy and double expo. And then Fantasy follows up with a 4fact timing. I think I'll try that out when I get the chance next.
Stork is still high on ELO rankings, but why does it seem like he is in a slump? Maybe he just loses the games that matters the most and thats why it seems like he has been.
Also, how did Fanta win vs Really? Fanta was getting harassed all over the place, then suddenly he pushes out with his tanks and wraiths and wins...o.O
On May 09 2011 10:56 SilverSkyLark wrote: Also, how did Fanta win vs Really? Fanta was getting harassed all over the place, then suddenly he pushes out with his tanks and wraiths and wins...o.O
Reality, not Really. He sniped all of Reality's wraiths off-screen just before the end, which allowed him to just go in and win after sniping 7 tanks.
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