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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 21 2011 15:10 GMT
#1761
There still isn't a winner's interview.

Thats a first .. :D
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
March 21 2011 15:12 GMT
#1762
On March 22 2011 00:10 aimaimaim wrote:
There still isn't a winner's interview.

Thats a first .. :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203299
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 21 2011 15:16 GMT
#1763
On March 22 2011 00:12 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 00:10 aimaimaim wrote:
There still isn't a winner's interview.

Thats a first .. :D

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203299


oh damn it .. didn't see that QQ
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 21 2011 15:21 GMT
#1764
JD being forced to carry this dead weight turned old very fast.
For_The_Dream
Profile Joined June 2010
12 Posts
March 21 2011 15:31 GMT
#1765
JD stopped owning Terrans with pure muta, thats where his ZvZ muta micro went. Pretty sad seeing his current ZvZ, at the time he had 81% winrate he would never lose mirror build game.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
March 21 2011 15:35 GMT
#1766
For some strange reason. JD, instead of microing his muta, was making zergling while that battle was going on. That early hatcher cost him the game though.
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 21 2011 17:51 GMT
#1767
On March 22 2011 00:31 For_The_Dream wrote:
JD stopped owning Terrans with pure muta, thats where his ZvZ muta micro went. Pretty sad seeing his current ZvZ, at the time he had 81% winrate he would never lose mirror build game.

He's at 81% in proleague this season. Unfortunately 3 out of his 4 losses have been in ace matches and the fourth one pretty much caused his team to lose as well :| He seems to have caught Flash's ace match curse.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
March 21 2011 19:09 GMT
#1768
On March 22 2011 02:51 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 00:31 For_The_Dream wrote:
JD stopped owning Terrans with pure muta, thats where his ZvZ muta micro went. Pretty sad seeing his current ZvZ, at the time he had 81% winrate he would never lose mirror build game.

He's at 81% in proleague this season. Unfortunately 3 out of his 4 losses have been in ace matches and the fourth one pretty much caused his team to lose as well :| He seems to have caught Flash's ace match curse.

Weren't most of Flash's ace match losses also in his mirror MU? Well, Flash's ace match curse came before he got dual-golds, so I can hope.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 19:38:38
March 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#1769
On March 22 2011 04:09 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 02:51 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:31 For_The_Dream wrote:
JD stopped owning Terrans with pure muta, thats where his ZvZ muta micro went. Pretty sad seeing his current ZvZ, at the time he had 81% winrate he would never lose mirror build game.

He's at 81% in proleague this season. Unfortunately 3 out of his 4 losses have been in ace matches and the fourth one pretty much caused his team to lose as well :| He seems to have caught Flash's ace match curse.

Weren't most of Flash's ace match losses also in his mirror MU? Well, Flash's ace match curse came before he got dual-golds, so I can hope.

Yeah, losses to Hiya, Really, Ruby. Baby and Skyhigh. He managed to win and lose against Ruby and Baby in the same match.

I think the last (and only) ace match Jaedong won this season was against Piano but I could be wrong. It's almost certainly a confidence issue at this point. That or extremely bad luck.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 20:10:03
March 21 2011 20:07 GMT
#1770
On March 21 2011 21:30 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 21:09 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 21 2011 18:56 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:03 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:43 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:04 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:02 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 20 2011 15:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Bisu should definitely be fielded, this next map is slightly protoss favored in PvZ where the next maps aren't. After that just throw zergs or terrans to cheese him if Bisu doesn't win.


Nice insight man That's what happened!

The only cheese in that series, if any, is Jaedong's cheese vs Bisu.


Well, I think sending two zergs to beat a zerg is pretty cheesy no? It's the most random MU.

It's so random that s2 outmicroed Jaedong with mirror builds.


In zvz the game almost always is ended with one or two micro battles, which end in a matter of seconds. This is why I find zvz more random than other MUs even if it's mirror builds, and I don't think I'm alone here.

I'm not saying the games itself were cheesy, I think the decision to send two zergs to face him was. Still I think it was the right and the most strategic decision. I'm not judging SKT for this. The better team won definately.
The grumbler in me would like to blame Oz's coaches for this fail, they should've sent Dear out first and tried to get to Bisu before having to send out Hiya or Jaedong, then Hiya could've sniped Bisu leaving Jaedong free to do cleanup.

But whatever, it was a great match with stellar games and Jaedong almost managed to win while SKT managed to enter the playoffs. I'm hoping for a Oz-SKT rematch in two weeks where Oz will finally defeat SKT in god knows how long.


they should have sent Jaedong second/third, it was unlikely that anyone else would beat Fantasy. sending Jaedong last leaves him to have to face 2 ZvZs, which worked out in SKTs favour. Killer has the potential to beat Bisu and any Zerg if JD fails.


I don't understand it here. Why are people suddenly so confident that Killer can bust the world?

Yeah, OK, I saw his recent matches, they were good, even somewhat Jaedongish. But wtf is this confidence here.

I need to place the emphasis here that Bisu lost to Jaedong due to the lack of a single cannon. If his DT in the center moved just couple pixels more, he would have seen the bust and responded with multiple cannons.
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
March 21 2011 21:29 GMT
#1771
On March 22 2011 04:35 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 04:09 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
On March 22 2011 02:51 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:31 For_The_Dream wrote:
JD stopped owning Terrans with pure muta, thats where his ZvZ muta micro went. Pretty sad seeing his current ZvZ, at the time he had 81% winrate he would never lose mirror build game.

He's at 81% in proleague this season. Unfortunately 3 out of his 4 losses have been in ace matches and the fourth one pretty much caused his team to lose as well :| He seems to have caught Flash's ace match curse.

Weren't most of Flash's ace match losses also in his mirror MU? Well, Flash's ace match curse came before he got dual-golds, so I can hope.

Yeah, losses to Hiya, Really, Ruby. Baby and Skyhigh. He managed to win and lose against Ruby and Baby in the same match.

I think the last (and only) ace match Jaedong won this season was against Piano but I could be wrong. It's almost certainly a confidence issue at this point. That or extremely bad luck.

He won against Modesty back in one of the earlier rounds. I think his ace match losses this year came mostly from vZ.

I'm pretty sure it's mostly a confidence issue, especially since it's gotten worse after the Bo5 vs Hydra where he actually got outmatched in muta micro.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
zanzib
Profile Joined December 2009
China152 Posts
March 21 2011 23:47 GMT
#1772
playing jaedong first might have been better in hindsight... hiya can clearly mop up s2
Sometimes backwards is forwards.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 21 2011 23:58 GMT
#1773
On March 22 2011 08:47 zanzib wrote:
playing jaedong first might have been better in hindsight... hiya can clearly mop up s2


Fantasy v.s. Jaedong was very close and Bisu v.s. Jaedong was nail biting till we found out Bisu had only one cannon at natural without observer. Different maps could change the result completely.

Anyhow, two AKs denied and a finish in a dramatic manner. Would not have asked for any other way to end this match.
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
March 22 2011 03:00 GMT
#1774
Still think s2's fistpump at the end was the sexiest thing ever
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foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
March 22 2011 08:10 GMT
#1775
On March 22 2011 05:07 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 21:30 foxmeep wrote:
On March 21 2011 21:09 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 21 2011 18:56 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:03 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:43 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:04 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:02 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 20 2011 15:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Bisu should definitely be fielded, this next map is slightly protoss favored in PvZ where the next maps aren't. After that just throw zergs or terrans to cheese him if Bisu doesn't win.


Nice insight man That's what happened!

The only cheese in that series, if any, is Jaedong's cheese vs Bisu.


Well, I think sending two zergs to beat a zerg is pretty cheesy no? It's the most random MU.

It's so random that s2 outmicroed Jaedong with mirror builds.


In zvz the game almost always is ended with one or two micro battles, which end in a matter of seconds. This is why I find zvz more random than other MUs even if it's mirror builds, and I don't think I'm alone here.

I'm not saying the games itself were cheesy, I think the decision to send two zergs to face him was. Still I think it was the right and the most strategic decision. I'm not judging SKT for this. The better team won definately.
The grumbler in me would like to blame Oz's coaches for this fail, they should've sent Dear out first and tried to get to Bisu before having to send out Hiya or Jaedong, then Hiya could've sniped Bisu leaving Jaedong free to do cleanup.

But whatever, it was a great match with stellar games and Jaedong almost managed to win while SKT managed to enter the playoffs. I'm hoping for a Oz-SKT rematch in two weeks where Oz will finally defeat SKT in god knows how long.


they should have sent Jaedong second/third, it was unlikely that anyone else would beat Fantasy. sending Jaedong last leaves him to have to face 2 ZvZs, which worked out in SKTs favour. Killer has the potential to beat Bisu and any Zerg if JD fails.


I don't understand it here. Why are people suddenly so confident that Killer can bust the world?

Yeah, OK, I saw his recent matches, they were good, even somewhat Jaedongish. But wtf is this confidence here.

I need to place the emphasis here that Bisu lost to Jaedong due to the lack of a single cannon. If his DT in the center moved just couple pixels more, he would have seen the bust and responded with multiple cannons.


You're right, you don't understand at all. Killer has shown he is capable of winning ZvZ vs anybody. He's also shown he has the potential to beat Bisu (this does not mean he's favoured in the least).

You don't have to get so defensive when someone says your favourite player could, dare I say, lose a game.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
March 22 2011 08:15 GMT
#1776
Where's killer?
):
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
March 22 2011 09:27 GMT
#1777
On March 22 2011 17:15 jjhchsc2 wrote:
Where's killer?
):

I can only assume the Oz coaches are trying to create stable players for the 5th and 6th rounds; They've already got Killer and Hiya as semi-stable backup for Jaedong so on average, Oz should get 2 wins minimum in every non-WL match. They still need another 2 wins per match, so...
Fly Jaedong, fly!
GBataille
Profile Joined March 2011
France19 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 12:13:29
March 22 2011 12:10 GMT
#1778
On March 21 2011 17:26 dukethegold wrote:
Meh, if Bisu had two cannons instead of one at his natural's choke, he'd be fine.

Jaedong target fired down the one cannon, without detection Bisu's zealots could do nothing.

Seriously, that match was not a good demonstration of Bisu v.s. Jaedong. Skill level can hardly be determined by the decision to skip on a single cannon.


On March 22 2011 05:07 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 21:30 foxmeep wrote:
On March 21 2011 21:09 kuroshiroi wrote:
On March 21 2011 18:56 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 07:03 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:43 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:04 Lightwip wrote:
On March 21 2011 06:02 Ubersturmfuhrer wrote:
On March 20 2011 15:21 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Bisu should definitely be fielded, this next map is slightly protoss favored in PvZ where the next maps aren't. After that just throw zergs or terrans to cheese him if Bisu doesn't win.


Nice insight man That's what happened!

The only cheese in that series, if any, is Jaedong's cheese vs Bisu.


Well, I think sending two zergs to beat a zerg is pretty cheesy no? It's the most random MU.

It's so random that s2 outmicroed Jaedong with mirror builds.


In zvz the game almost always is ended with one or two micro battles, which end in a matter of seconds. This is why I find zvz more random than other MUs even if it's mirror builds, and I don't think I'm alone here.

I'm not saying the games itself were cheesy, I think the decision to send two zergs to face him was. Still I think it was the right and the most strategic decision. I'm not judging SKT for this. The better team won definately.
The grumbler in me would like to blame Oz's coaches for this fail, they should've sent Dear out first and tried to get to Bisu before having to send out Hiya or Jaedong, then Hiya could've sniped Bisu leaving Jaedong free to do cleanup.

But whatever, it was a great match with stellar games and Jaedong almost managed to win while SKT managed to enter the playoffs. I'm hoping for a Oz-SKT rematch in two weeks where Oz will finally defeat SKT in god knows how long.


they should have sent Jaedong second/third, it was unlikely that anyone else would beat Fantasy. sending Jaedong last leaves him to have to face 2 ZvZs, which worked out in SKTs favour. Killer has the potential to beat Bisu and any Zerg if JD fails.

I need to place the emphasis here that Bisu lost to Jaedong due to the lack of a single cannon. If his DT in the center moved just couple pixels more, he would have seen the bust and responded with multiple cannons.



On March 22 2011 08:58 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 08:47 zanzib wrote:
playing jaedong first might have been better in hindsight... hiya can clearly mop up s2


Fantasy v.s. Jaedong was very close and Bisu v.s. Jaedong was nail biting till we found out Bisu had only one cannon at natural without observer. Different maps could change the result completely.

Seriously stop whining already. You'll just make people dislike Bisu. Jaedong scouted a possibility to kill of Bisu with a handful of lurkers in the middle game and he killed him. It's not like 110% of Bisus victories in PvZ comes from scouting a 'flaw' in the opponents play followed by a timing push in the middle game. And stop blaming a protoss favored map, that is just pathetic.

And, fyi, stating the same thing three times in two pages doesn't make what you say true.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 22 2011 14:10 GMT
#1779
If there was multiple cannons then Jaedong would have not even attempted that so why discuss it anyway...

Also Fantasy vs Jaedong was not really close. Bio into Mech basically forces a long game which makes you think its sort of close but Fantasy was totally starved out against like 5 active base JD, and just desperately trying to fight for a single base. That wasn't close.
Piege
Profile Joined October 2009
United Kingdom128 Posts
March 22 2011 23:03 GMT
#1780
I hate it whenever OZ loses to T1. Jaedong was so close to all killing them.
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